Raid on Polygamest Compound, How Do You View It?

[KarrieTex]

I keep coming back to this point.

Texas has known about this compund and their practices for a long time. It bothers me that they went in the way they did.

 

[Nadiine]

I keep coming back to this point.

Texas has known about this compund and their practices for a long time. It bothers me that they went in the way they did.

That's the bigger wrong here, and it makes me mad.

Since they did know, this should of been dealt with ages ago so as to keep it from escalating to this level today.
This is identical with illegal aliens - turn a blind eye to illegal entry and see the repercussions later when it finally starts creating a problem.

Why have laws if we won't enforce them? This is typical of Utah as well.

 

[Nadiine]

Except you need to be careful about what they mean by underage. I believe the majority of those girls are 17 and here in this state that's the legal age.

ok . yes that is important. They didn't give ages on the news for me to know the age ranges.

 

[KarrieTex]

It's a sticky thing. You have freedome of religion on one hand and you have illegal marriages on the other.

I would love to see the authorities go after some muslims who have a marriage between children EVEN THOUGH the bride stays in her father's house until an age. But still these people are marrying and signing marriage contacts. Go after them as well.

 

[KarrieTex]

another thing as well and i don't believe this is being told outside of TX....if she is 14 -16 she can still get married with her parents permission. from some of what i have been hearing, there are some valid young marriages that the state is trying to control.

 

[Nadiine]

It's a sticky thing. You have freedome of religion on one hand and you have illegal marriages on the other.

I would love to see the authorities go after some muslims who have a marriage between children EVEN THOUGH the bride stays in her father's house until an age. But still these people are marrying and signing marriage contacts. Go after them as well.

Agreed

What is it with these people? they sure do "love" kids dont' they?

 

[Nadiine]

it's almost as if they want to corrupt their youth as SOON as possible. LET THEM BE CHILDREN for heavens sakes.
throwing grown up responsiblities on them so early

 

[KarrieTex]

it's almost as if they want to corrupt their youth as SOON as possible. LET THEM BE CHILDREN for heavens sakes.
throwing grown up responsiblities on them so early

Think about it though it wasn't that long ago when that wasn't a bad age to be married at. It's amazing how quickly we change our views on this.

I feel more sorry for them now then before. Can you imagine these children being put in public school for the first time?

 

[Nadiine]

Think about it though it wasn't that long ago when that wasn't a bad age to be married at. It's amazing how quickly we change our views on this.

I feel more sorry for them now then before. Can you imagine these children being put in public school for the first time?

I'm not against younger kids marrying -- I'm totally against forced marriages and marriages to older adult males.
Sorry those are pedophile type men that have perversions & have no business marrying girls so young.

 

[KarrieTex]

Question....what would you think if this if it was about 120 years ago?

ANd it happens still all over the world. I think it's a misconception to say that these men are pedophiles. The beliefs are based on the time that the Mormon church first started, where a teen marrying a much older man was not unheard of nor looked down on.

In fact, I believe the Amish allow a teen to marry a much older man.

 

[Nadiine]

Question....what would you think if this if it was about 120 years ago?

ANd it happens still all over the world. I think it's a misconception to say that these men are pedophiles. The beliefs are based on the time that the Mormon church first started, where a teen marrying a much older man was not unheard of nor looked down on.

In fact, I believe the Amish allow a teen to marry a much older man.

I question the men with it and I personally find something perverse about it.
I know what YOUNG girls look like - 14-16 yr olds are very young and still look like little girls yet - I think grown adult men having a sexual attraction to that age when they still haven't 'matured' physically is pedophilia. Custom or not, of any religion.

And then I always ask what it leads to - do they head into polygamy? Do they desire even younger girls than that? I dunno, I have no info. to make a knowledgable argument.
But I can assure you if I had 14-16 yr old girl I wouldn't let a grown adult male get near her sexually for marriage or otherwise.

 

[psalms 91]

Just an aside, on the radio news, they announced that 20 of the girls taken from there were pregnant and underage....
so either those 20 girls were with the younger guys (which I DOUBT), or adult men were already having sex with minors - which is statutory rape.

So..... again I'd offer that we should wait & find out some details.

Bill I'm concerned about our civil rights and those girls/kids have rights too & living in that commune, they can't 'escape' so easily to get help.

Again, I see 2 sides with this whole issue. This isn't going to be happening in normal situations - a cult commune should be paid closer attn. to becuz the kids ARE helpless there imho.

Are you so sure of that? If this is acceptable then they can do it anywhere and make up the justification with a false phone call. Those that are guilty should be punished but the innocent should sue their socks off.

 

[Criada]

I have a 15 yr old daughter.... who I would certainly not want involved sexually with an older man (or any man!!)
However, I would hesitate to accuse these men of paedophilia... my daughter could easily be 18 if judged on appearance alone, as could most of her friends.
Paedophilia is the desire for young, undeveloped children.... most 14 year old girls today are far from that!

 

[Nadiine]

I have a 15 yr old daughter.... who I would certainly not want involved sexually with an older man (or any man!!)
However, I would hesitate to accuse these men of paedophilia... my daughter could easily be 18 if judged on appearance alone, as could most of her friends.
Paedophilia is the desire for young, undeveloped children.... most 14 year old girls today are far from that!

they are these days Criada... girls have changed significantly in how they act & dress due to society causing them to appear more mature and sexual at younger ages.
This wasn't this way even 15 yrs ago. And I certainly don't think it's this way in that polygamist cult - did you see how the adult women looked? I'm sure the younger girls there look very young without wearing the makeup, having 'sexy' hair & clothing, etc.

 

[KarrieTex]

they are these days Criada... girls have changed significantly in how they act & dress due to society causing them to appear more mature and sexual at younger ages.
This wasn't this way even 15 yrs ago. And I certainly don't think it's this way in that polygamist cult - did you see how the adult women looked? I'm sure the younger girls there look very young without wearing the makeup, having 'sexy' hair & clothing, etc.

Again, you are dealing with a cult that has kept itself very very old in traditions. What we consider to be abhorant was not that a 120 yrs ago.

Seriously, what would you do if you were sent back in time to just that 120 yrs ago where 15-18 yr old women were marry 30's on up men???

 

[Nadiine]

Again, you are dealing with a cult that has kept itself very very old in traditions. What we consider to be abhorant was not that a 120 yrs ago.

Seriously, what would you do if you were sent back in time to just that 120 yrs ago where 15-18 yr old women were marry 30's on up men???

well for that matter then, we could all be barbarians if our history leads back to that?

It isnt' about what WAS, but what IS.

Do we allow people to commit crimes and offenses of any kind if they believe they want to live a certain way becuz they're elders did and build themselves compounds to carry it all out? Exactly how far do we go with this?

It doesn't matter to me what was, it matters to me what law is today.

 

[Nadiine]

I'd offer up the example of slavery as a common practice 100 yrs. ago too, but it's not ok to lock yourself in a compound someplace and use & abuse slaves just becuz your plantation forefathers did it & it's your heretage & belief.

 

[psalms 91]

Again, you are dealing with a cult that has kept itself very very old in traditions. What we consider to be abhorant was not that a 120 yrs ago.

Seriously, what would you do if you were sent back in time to just that 120 yrs ago where 15-18 yr old women were marry 30's on up men???

In those days girls older than 15 were considered to be getting to be old maids. Another question to think about as well, could it be that by our own standards we have led to a sexual society ripe with teenage pregnancy? If it is natural to develop and become sexual at 12-13 then will it not also stand to reason that by regulating marriage in this way that what follows is easy to see? There are many questions as this is a complex issue and worthy of another thread at some point maybe but the real question on this trhread is all about what rights do we have versus the rights of the state? I will stand on the bill of rights and constitution.

 

[psalms 91]

well for that matter then, we could all be barbarians if our history leads back to that?

It isnt' about what WAS, but what IS.

Do we allow people to commit crimes and offenses of any kind if they believe they want to live a certain way becuz they're elders did and build themselves compounds to carry it all out? Exactly how far do we go with this?

It doesn't matter to me what was, it matters to me what law is today.

What should matter is what is right, how did God ordain it? Legal rights, are they being trampled, guilty people have been set free because of littl;e technicalities like trampling the constitution but that was before our fear mongering government took away so much of our privacy

 

[KarrieTex]

In those days girls older than 15 were considered to be getting to be old maids. Another question to think about as well, could it be that by our own standards we have led to a sexual society ripe with teenage pregnancy? If it is natural to develop and become sexual at 12-13 then will it not also stand to reason that by regulating marriage in this way that what follows is easy to see? There are many questions as this is a complex issue and worthy of another thread at some point maybe but the real question on this trhread is all about what rights do we have versus the rights of the state? I will stand on the bill of rights and constitution.

There it is. There is a bigger issue of freedom of religion than there is of a difference of view in society.

The Amish allow their children to marry young but we aren't attacking them. The Muslims allow the same thing nope no attacking them.

If we as a country allow the FLDS to begin then we have to respect their practices as well. OR we need to follow the law and do something about all that do this.

Another thing to think about...are we sure these marriages were all consummated? It is an assumption that no one has even bothered to check.