Radioactive dating

[dad]

They are correct.

They even tell you that the laws of physics are only the same in frames moving in relative motion to your own

How would they know!? What they did some fishbowl mind projection?

They actually support your own position that far away galaxies do not follow the same laws as ours does. Since those galaxies are not traveling in relative motion to our own, therefore the laws of physics would necessarily be different.

I understand that if you were correct about what they are saying it would support my idea that we do not have correct dates. However I don't need support that is based on the same mistaken ideas that they use. The laws of physics are fishbowl rules.

They support your fishbowl view, since only in small enough areas of observation can an object be considered as non-inertial.

The problem is that everyone on earth but you seems to think that they don't. You are trying to tell them what they supposedly think. Wouldn't their religion and high priests know what they themselves claim better than you?

GR and SR both clearly state this, but they simply don’t follow what the theories actually say.

They seem to think they do, and that you are missing something. Since trillions were spent on their fishbowl science and very smart people have concocted their schemes and dreams, doesn't it seem a bit odd to you that you claim you know their stuff better than they do?

SR says only in non-inertial frames is time constant. In other words in frames not accelerating. But we live in a universe that is accelerating... God stretched out the heavens.

You take it too seriously. There is no accelerating going on in deep space in reality as they envision it. The redshift and other ways they determined that there was are religion. So why twist your brain in knots trying to get some interpretation of the fishbowl theories of science that is better than theirs? It is all a sad joke. They know nothing of the real universe and creation of God. ALL their concepts are fatally flawed and should not be taken seriously.

As experiments show, time slows as velocity increases. So in the past when the velocity was less, radioactive decay rates would have been faster.

Yeah, on an airplane! Or mountain, etc. NOT in deep space.

They don’t want to admit what their theory says because they don’t adjust for faster decay rates in the past, but use the same slower rate today to calculate the rate in the past. This gives them incorrect answers of age, since it hasn’t been constant, but decreasing.

Wouldn't they know what their own theories say?

It is like a decreasing flow of water through a pipe. If you saw the rate as it is now, and the amount of water in the pool, you would have to add more time to the length the water flowed because you didn’t account for an increased rate of flow in the past. If you use a constant flow rate instead of adjusting for an increasing flow rate in the past, your only option is to artificially increase the amount of time the water flowed to match the amount you see in the pool. All because you refuse to use a changing flow rate and use a constant rate.

You conceptualize it that way. They don't.

The sad thing is they know time dilation is an experimental fact proven in the same Earth Centered Frame, then try to duck and dodge so they don’t have to admit to their error in time.

Well, they seem to think that the way frames are compared is not the way you thought. My point is that who really cares what they or you think about fishbowl theories!? You need time to exist, and space...the same in deep space for any of it to even begin to apply out there. You do not have what you need. Nor do they.

Their own theories don’t support their calculation of age, but they can’t ever admit this. Just like they’ll never actually admit to you that only in small enough areas can a frame be considered non-inertial so the same laws of physics can be applied.

The folks who got PHDs in fishbowl philosophy out to know internally what their own religion says.

They know the truth but will simply never admit it because doing so would destroy their belief system.

Their belief system is theirs to do whatever they like with. The issue here seems to be that it is also yours, but you think you can force them to agree that you know best about what they claim.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Lurkers, try to remember here that there really are no twins! This is a fishbowl mind game thought experiment and exercise in fishbowl what iffing!

Lurkers, be aware that they are trying to distract. That time dilation was proven experimentally aboard airplanes calculated from the same Earth Centered Frame as were the clocks on earth. A test that proved relativities declaration of time dilation.

An experiment they would have you forget about because it was all done from within the same frame and voids their claims of requiring comparisons between two frames.

Fear drives them to this distraction attempt.....

Dad is simply afraid of the science because he’s let them convince him the science doesn’t support him, when it actually does, he just won’t let himself see.

The twins are irrelevant, it’s already been proven in reality....

 

[Michael]

Evidently your one year suspension has affected your memory.
It was explained to you that space time is not a dynamic system that is conserved under a time translation hence dark energy is not conserved.
I suggest you search the appropriate threads.

I suggest that you come up with a new rationalization for violating basic laws of physics. That one simply doesn't cut it.

You didn't even address the internal inconsistency of claiming that "space" can't expand in our own solar system or galaxy due to the concentration of mass and gravity, yet by some miracle of creation your near singularity thingy, packed with all the mass of the whole universe into something smaller than a breadbox, was magically able to do that nifty space expansion trick. IF you were internally consistent, the whole thing would have imploded in an instant and nothing would ever have exited the event horizon that must have surrounded such a *massive* collection of mass/energy in such a small volume. Sheesh. Your model isn't even internally consistent *and* it violates basic laws of physics, not to mention the fact that it fails observational and lab tests galore, including at least four of them in this month alone and we're not even half way through the month yet.

 

[dad]

Lurkers, be aware that they are trying to distract. That time dilation was proven experimentally aboard airplanes calculated from the same Earth Centered Frame as were the clocks on earth. A test that proved relativities declaration of time dilation.

We should be aware that a plane on earth cannot be said to parallel the far universe.

An experiment they would have you forget about because it was all done from within the same frame and voids their claims of requiring comparisons between two frames.

Both frames were IN the fishbowl. That makes it one frame.

 

[dad]

Your model isn't even internally consistent *and* it violates basic laws of physics,.

When people produce a model from thought experiments and projecting their little limited concepts out onto the entire created universe, they have to violate the laws of physics. The rule is that it is fine to do away with those laws anytime you need to. At other times, they are sacred and must be obeyed. Whatever it takes to get a universe that was not created, that is the rule.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

We should be aware that a plane on earth cannot be said to parallel the far universe.
Both frames were IN the fishbowl. That makes it one frame.

Agreed, but I already tried to explain to you that one of the postulates of relativity is that only in a small enough area of space can a frame be considered non-inertial, and that only in non-inertial frames are the laws of physics the same....

In inertial frames they are not the same. Since far galaxies are receding at extreme velocities they are inertial compared to us, and therefore the same laws of physics do not apply....

I tried to tell you the science agrees with you, not them. They know this, hence their avoidance and double talk to try to get around reality....

 

[Michael]

When people produce a model from thought experiments and projecting their little limited concepts out onto the entire created universe, they have to violate the laws of physics. The rule is that it is fine to do away with those laws anytime you need to. At other times, they are sacred and must be obeyed. Whatever it takes to get a universe that was not created, that is the rule.

Cue the multiverse concept.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Cue the multiverse concept.

What’s one more Fairie Dust fantasy on top of another?????

 

[Michael]

What’s one more Fairie Dust fantasy on top of another?????

In for a metaphysical penny, in for a multiverse pound they always say.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

In for a metaphysical penny, in for a multiverse pound they always say.

Lol......

Yep, one good physical law breaking theory deserves another unprovable one to count as fact....

Fantasy is easier to write, no need to check it against facts..... sells better than a history book does too....

 

[dad]

Agreed, but I already tried to explain to you that one of the postulates of relativity is that only in a small enough area of space can a frame be considered non-inertial, and that only in non-inertial frames are the laws of physics the same....

In inertial frames they are not the same. Since far galaxies are receding at extreme velocities they are inertial compared to us, and therefore the same laws of physics do not apply....

I tried to tell you the science agrees with you, not them. They know this, hence their avoidance and double talk to try to get around reality....

How do you think you know galaxies are receding fast?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

How do you think you know galaxies are receding fast?

Because “God stretched out the heavens”.

 

[dad]

Cue the multiverse concept.

I guess they figure if they impress people talking about the unknown universe here with unhinged godless goobleygook. Now they want to one up that, and really wow folks with even more unsubstantiated flights of fancy. Hey, not like anyone can prove them wrong.

 

[dad]

Because “God stretched out the heavens”.

In creation week, He stretched out the heavens. It seems the context of this is creation.

Isa 44:24 - Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Unless you think the earth is being spread out now?

Also in Isa 40:21 Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Here again we see the association with the beginning.



Here again in Zech 1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

Do you think He is still laying the foundations of the earth and breathing life into Adam?

No.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

I guess they figure if they impress people talking about the unknown universe here with unhinged godless goobleygook. Now they want to one up that, and really wow folks with even more unsubstantiated flights of fancy. Hey, not like anyone can prove them wrong.

Because once you have a physics defying theory in place, the only way to top that and gain noteworthy and recognition is to propose something even more outrageous....

 

[Justatruthseeker]

In creation week, He stretched out the heavens. It seems the context of this is creation.

Isa 44:24 - Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Unless you think the earth is being spread out now?

Also in Isa 40:21 Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Here again we see the association with the beginning.



Here again in Zech 1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

Do you think He is still laying the foundations of the earth and breathing life into Adam?

No.

Absolutely, unless you think he had nothing to do with giving you the life you possess.... and would therefore have no right to take it......

John 5:17

His work of creation is not finished until the 7th and final creation, in which things won’t just be very good, but perfect, and the lion will eat straw and lie with the lamb....

 

[dad]

Absolutely, unless you think he had nothing to do with giving you the life you possess.... and would therefore have no right to take it......

John 5:17

His work of creation is not finished until the 7th and final creation, in which things won’t just be very good, but perfect, and the lion will eat straw and lie with the lamb....

His work of creation was finished by Gen 2. Of course He still works at various things. But not at relaying the foundation of the earth, or creating the stars again etc.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Never mind the fact that the CMB is just another ordinary background created by the output of countless suns and ordinary scattering, just like the gamma ray background, or the x-ray background. Never mind the fact that Eddington predicted that background temperature very accurately based on ordinary scattering of starlight on the dust of the cosmos, *long* before the big bang theory become popular.

Eddington's calculation of temperature due to starlight was quite different from the CMB temperature, and has a different value. See Eddington's Temperature of Space.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Lurkers, be aware that they are trying to distract. That time dilation was proven experimentally aboard airplanes calculated from the same Earth Centered Frame as were the clocks on earth. A test that proved relativities declaration of time dilation.

An experiment they would have you forget about because it was all done from within the same frame and voids their claims of requiring comparisons between two frames.

The measurements were made relative to an Earth-centered frame because it made the calculations simpler - the Earth's surface and aircraft in flight are in non-inertial (rotating, therefore accelerating) frames, which are difficult to compare directly.

If "it was all done from within the same frame", then, by definition, the aircraft would never have moved relative to that frame (the Earth's surface would have had to be that reference frame) and consequently, there would have been no time dilation observed. In fact, it was all done relative to the Earth-centered frame.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Agreed, but I already tried to explain to you that one of the postulates of relativity is that only in a small enough area of space can a frame be considered non-inertial, and that only in non-inertial frames are the laws of physics the same....

The laws of physics are the same in all frames, inertial or otherwise; it's the results of measurements that are not the same in non-inertial frames; i.e. the results of experiments are indistinguishable in inertial frames but not in non-inertial frames.

In non-inertial frames you have to apply the laws of physics to explain measurement differences; e.g. centrifugal, Coriolis, Euler, & Einstein forces (or pseudo-forces).

 

[Justatruthseeker]

His work of creation was finished by Gen 2. Of course He still works at various things. But not at relaying the foundation of the earth, or creating the stars again etc.

New stars are forming as we speak, and you can be assured He is involved in their formation, for the entire universe is upheld by His power.