Radioactive dating

[dad]

So what has God been 'proving the living daylights out of it' and how does it prove anything?

All through history He has been around doing stuff. People saw and heard and wrote it down.

 

[Loudmouth]

Got that right, and it is easy to check. We can compare it to God's word.
No. I am asking you not to make stuff up, and claim things based on an unproven state in the past. This you do.

I just demonstrated that it is proven. Even you are incapable of showing how the evidence is inconsistent with a same state past.

 

[dad]

I just demonstrated that it is proven. Even you are incapable of showing how the evidence is inconsistent with a same state past.

You just demonstrated you don't know whst you are tslking about..don't care..and are proud of it. Work on that.

 

[Loudmouth]

You just demonstrated you don't know whst you are tslking about..don't care..and are proud of it. Work on that.

You still can't point to a single piece of evidence that is inconsistent with a same state past?

 

[dad]

You still can't point to a single piece of evidence that is inconsistent with a same state past?

Or you a different state past? Stop tainting and painting evidences, and ain'ting God!

 

[Loudmouth]

Or you a different state past? Stop tainting and painting evidences, and ain'ting God!

Then show me evidence that is inconsistent with a same state past.

 

[dad]

Then show me evidence that is inconsistent with a same state past.

Show us a same state past first. All you have done is assume one and interpret all things accordingly. Naturally it seems to you like things agree...circular.

 

[Loudmouth]

Show us a same state past first. All you have done is assume one and interpret all things accordingly. Naturally it seems to you like things agree...circular.

It is shown by all of the evidence that is consistent with a same state past.

 

[dad]

It is shown by all of the evidence that is consistent with a same state past.

No. Your relgious insinuendos don't count.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

No. Your relgious insinuendos don't count.

I think they count.

 

[dad]

I think they count.

Keep us posted on your thoughts.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Keep us posted on your thoughts.

Only some of them.

 

[dad]

Only some of them.

Thank you for that.

 

[Loudmouth]

No. Your relgious insinuendos don't count.

Then show me a single piece of evidence that is inconsistent with a same state past.

 

[dad]

Then show me a single piece of evidence that is inconsistent with a same state past.

Admit that if the past was different as per the bible record the radioactive decay in the present need not have existed. Admit also that you cannot prove what state it was. It is a fool's game to construct models based on a belief in a same state past then turn around and say 'gee it all looks consistent, (despite the constant millions of years and so called facts being bandied out like confetti)--to me'.

 

[Loudmouth]

Admit that if the past was different as per the bible record the radioactive decay in the present need not have existed.

Admit that if the past was the same then we would find ratios of isotopes that produce the same ages when using modern decay rates.

Admit also that you cannot prove what state it was.

Admit that I can.

It is a fool's game to construct models based on a belief in a same state past then turn around and say 'gee it all looks consistent, (despite the constant millions of years and so called facts being bandied out like confetti)--to me'.

Then please tell us how you would determine if an observation is evidence of a same state past or not.

Isn't that exactly what we should do? Shouldn't we figure out what the world should look like if there was a same state past, and then look to see if that is how the world actually looks? From what I have been taught, that's exactly what evidence is.

 

[dad]

Admit that if the past was the same then we would find ratios of isotopes that produce the same ages when using modern decay rates.

No more than if it was a spaghetti monster past and you modeled everything based on that! 'Gee, the spaghetti monster made the ratios what they are' blah blah. That is no different from claiming a same state past dunnit.

Then please tell us how you would determine if an observation is evidence of a same state past or not.

I would look to God's record. Since science wasn't there, and can't go there, it must simply put on the dunce cap and sit in the corner...quietly.

Isn't that exactly what we should do? Shouldn't we figure out what the world should look like if there was a same state past, and then look to see if that is how the world actually looks?

No. You can try if you like, but we already know! What you are really trying to do is fabricate another natyre for the past...a present state nature!

 

[Loudmouth]

No more than if it was a spaghetti monster past and you modeled everything based on that! 'Gee, the spaghetti monster made the ratios what they are' blah blah. That is no different from claiming a same state past dunnit.

Admit that if the past was the same then we would find ratios of isotopes that produce the same ages when using modern decay rates.

I would look to God's record. Since science wasn't there, and can't go there, it must simply put on the dunce cap and sit in the corner...quietly.

So no matter what the observation is, you would never accept it as evidence for a same state past, correct?

 

[dad]

Admit that if the past was the same then we would find ratios of isotopes that produce the same ages when using modern decay rates.

No. Spaghetti monster level what if scenarios are about like the folks in India who try to put their little god on the sidewalk or street so that people will have to notice it. Forget your little belief or god and focus on the ratios themselves.

So no matter what the observation is, you would never accept it as evidence for a same state past, correct?

That's like saying "So no matter what the observation is, you would never accept it as evidence for a spaghetti monster past, correct?"

 

[Loudmouth]

No. Spaghetti monster level what if scenarios are about like the folks in India who try to put their little god on the sidewalk or street so that people will have to notice it. Forget your little belief or god and focus on the ratios themselves.

That's like saying "So no matter what the observation is, you would never accept it as evidence for a spaghetti monster past, correct?"

So no matter what the observation is, you would never accept it as evidence for a same state past, correct?