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Loudmouth

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Same way Jesus did.

Then let's see it, with evidence.

Sumer talked of long life spans. The poor pagans can't be counted on to say how long, but it is useful to know it was a lot longer than today. Egypt noted spirit or god kings in the early years....etc.

Those are claims. I am asking for evidence.

We are not discussing fantasies here. Show real observations.

The measured ratios in rocks are very real. Please show me how they are inconsistent with a same state past.
 
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Then let's see it, with evidence.



Those are claims. I am asking for evidence.



The measured ratios in rocks are very real. Please show me how they are inconsistent with a same state past.
It is a deception to call ratios clocks when you do not know the state in the past! Think about it.
 
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It is a deception to call ratios clocks when you do not know the state in the past! Think about it.

We don't have to call them clocks. We can just call them ratios.

How are the observed ratios of isotopes in rocks inconsistent with a same state past? (notice that there was no mention of clocks)
 
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We don't have to call them clocks. We can just call them ratios.

How are the observed ratios of isotopes in rocks inconsistent with a same state past? (notice that there was no mention of clocks)
They are consistant with creation. Whether they jive with your fantasy past or not doesn't matter.
 
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Ever notice almost everything you utter is an appeal to blind faith and trust in man over God's word?

It's not man . . . its God's Universe that tells us the truths about its age and history. We only have to learn how to listen.
 
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It's not man . . . its God's Universe that tells us the truths about its age and history. We only have to learn how to listen.
No it is an appeal to faith in man over God's word. You think man's interpretation of creation outranks God's.
 
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You wrote your post. You are not qualified to sat what the Spirit of God did or did not do. You can't see Him.

It's not a matter of who is 'qualified', it's a matter of what people say, the strength of their arguments and the evidence that they base them on. And BTW, how are you qualified to say who else is qualified about what?

For God to have written The Bible, there needs to be a God. The evidence of The Bible is that it fits exactly with what we would expect had it been written by fallible humans in about 1400BC using the knowledge available then, and edited/cobbled together by humans since then. It doesn't at all look as if it was dictated by an omnipotent and omniscient God.

There of course also needs to be a God in the first place. When we've asked for evidence of a God, the evidence so far has been miracles performed at faith healing events. But, this evidence is easily explained with other hypotheses, such as deception and the psychology of crowds, and we note the lack of verified evidence of the claimed miracles.

No. Creation is consistent with the actual past, not your unproven pagan past!

Given how in threads on DNA you dismiss strong objective evidence without understanding, it doesn't look as if you have earned the right to any faith in your pronouncements on creation versus evolution. Before you can comment, you must understand. Where have you shown that you understand?
 
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It's not a matter of who is 'qualified', it's a matter of what people say, the strength of their arguments and the evidence that they base them on. And BTW, how are you qualified to say who else is qualified about what?
No, it is a matter of God dwelling in man when He is asked and proving the living daylights out of it. It is a matter of the death and life and Resurrection of Christ that was observed. It is a matter of all history being pregnant with fulfilled prophesy.
For God to have written The Bible, there needs to be a God.
Well done Watson.

The evidence of The Bible is that it fits exactly with what we would expect had it been written by fallible humans in about 1400BC using the knowledge available then, and edited/cobbled together by humans since then. It doesn't at all look as if it was dictated by an omnipotent and omniscient God.
Daydreaming.
 
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You wrote your post.

You will notice that I will say that I wrote it instead of God.

When man writes something, it isn't the word of God.

You are not qualified to sat what the Spirit of God did or did not do. You can't see Him.
"No it is an appeal to faith in man over God's word."--dad

You are a man. You are asking me to accept what you say on faith.

Scripture was written by men. Using scripture is an appeal to faith in man.
 
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No, it is a matter of God dwelling in man when He is asked and proving the living daylights out of it. It is a matter of the death and life and Resurrection of Christ that was observed. It is a matter of all history being pregnant with fulfilled prophesy.

So what has God been 'proving the living daylights out of it' and how does it prove anything?
 
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You will notice that I will say that I wrote it instead of God.
Got that right, and it is easy to check. We can compare it to God's word.
"No it is an appeal to faith in man over God's word."--dad

You are a man. You are asking me to accept what you say on faith.
No. I am asking you not to make stuff up, and claim things based on an unproven state in the past. This you do.
 
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You have your beliefs without evidence and I have my beliefs with evidence.
I have all the evidence you do, so I we need to do is let your claims of evidence stand alone, divested of your belief system.
 
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