Radical trans-activism is misogynistic at its core

RDKirk · Aug 22, 2021

bekkilyn said:
I suspect that a great number of the radicals aren't even actually trans (and many of those claiming to be trans aren't even making any effort to "pass") but are using the movement for their own ends.

Blair White, a "conservative" trans woman with a YouTube channel has a lot to say about that. In her opinion (and I'll say "her" because "I calls 'em as I sees 'em"): 1. Transitioning of minors should never happen or even be discussed. 3. Men transitioned to women should not participate in women's sports if the transition happens after puberty. And, yes, point 1 still applies. In her opinion, "Some things are not for us." 3. Gender is not a social construct, gender is a real thing...as anyone who truly has gender dysphoria knows. Anyone who claims gender is a social construct does not have gender dysphoria. 4. A great number of the radicals aren't even actually trans (and many many of those claiming to be trans aren't even making any effort to "pass") but are using the movement for their own ends, including an eventual aim to normalize pedophilia.

RDKirk · Aug 22, 2021

comana said:
A man who puts on a dress without any other action has no credibility as a trans woman. It is a process not solely a statement.

But that is the radical trans-woman position.

bekkilyn · Aug 22, 2021

Hans Blaster said:
Your response seems to be built upon the content of the video. I will not watch it. I will not give any clicks to an alt-right media site in a video featuring the work of a white nationalist.

Can you find no better sourcing for your arguments?

Where did you see this link?

The internet.

Basically she walked into a medical clinic and told them she wanted a doctor's certification that she's male and was able to get it in less than an hour just by answering the question that she's always considered herself to be more masculine and that she likes other girls and that since the past year she's been identifying as male, and then after she gets the doctor's certification that she's a male, she goes to get a legal ID and presents the doctor's certification as evidence that she's male, even though she's let her hair down, doesn't change her voice, etc. and they give her a legal ID that says she's male and are by now referring to her as "sir". And no one is going to look at her and truly believe she is a male, which was part of the point.

bekkilyn · Aug 22, 2021

RDKirk said:
Blair White, a "conservative" trans woman with a YouTube channel has a lot to say about that. In her opinion (and I'll say "her" because "I calls 'em as I sees 'em"): 1. Transitioning of minors should happen or even be discussed. 3. Men transitioned to women should not participate in women's sports if the transition happens after puberty. And, yes, point 1 still applies. In her opinion, "Some things are not for us." 3. Gender is not a social construct, gender is a real thing...as anyone who truly has gender dysphoria know. Anyone who claims gender is a social construct does not have gender dysphoria. 4. A great number of the radicals aren't even actually trans (and many many of those claiming to be trans aren't even making any effort to "pass") but are using the movement for their own ends, including an eventual aim to normalize pedophilia.

Yes, I have a lot of respect for Blair White and don't have a problem calling her a her or whatever she likes. She's respectful and respectful of women as well.

She's received a lot of hatred from the trans-radicals too.

Hans Blaster · Aug 22, 2021

bekkilyn said:
The internet.

So you just naturally gravitate to the alt-right part of the internet? OK, then.

RDKirk · Aug 22, 2021

Norbert L said:
What do you see as most important? The one that I believe should be at top of the list is allowing some parents to seek pre-adult medical drug therapy and/or procedures for their child if they think they are exhibiting trans like behavior.

What does "they think they are exhibiting trans like behavior" mean in practice?

Maybe the child is still in a pre-sexual state (as children should be) and is just playing out different roles? When my son was a pre-schooler, he enjoyed playing with a friend's little girl's toy stove and cooking utensils. But I was a single parent at the time, and as I watched him play, I could clearly see he was emulating my own cooking techniques. But how many parents would "think they are exhibiting trans-like behavior" just from something that simple?

Some girls just like boys' games or toys, but are still destined to be happily CIS. The should not be rushed into pre-adult medical drug therapy and/or procedures.

Some children will be homosexual...that doesn't mean they want to be rushed into pre-adult medical drug therapy and/or procedures to make them transsexual instead.

Some children or teens suffer from a traumatic event that makes them question their sexuality--sometimes even when the event doesn't have anything to do with sex. A boy who is traumatically bullied by other boys may think it's because he's not really a boy...and that may not be the issue at all. Young people who suffer trauma need to have the trauma attended to first. But that might not happen if their parents rush them into pre-adult medical drug therapy and/or procedures.

There is another YouTuber who, to look at him, might appear to be flamboyantly gay if not trending to transexual--however, he has an amazingly handsomely male voice--like those late-night jazz DJs. He says that because of his penchant for flamboyance, he had questioned his sexuality. He didn't feel gay, but people told him he must be gay....

....Until he discovered David Bowie and Prince, who were flamboyant but never considered gay. "I realized I could be fabulous...and straight!"

bekkilyn · Aug 22, 2021

Hans Blaster said:
So you just naturally gravitate to the alt-right part of the internet? OK, then.

It depends I suppose on whether or not the alt-right is into giraffes, live wildlife cams, diamond painting, and Elder Scrolls Morrowind let's plays.

comana · Aug 22, 2021

bekkilyn said:
So you can easily accept the idea that men can become women just by feeling like one (as defined by said men) and yet an actual woman has to produce peer-reviewed journal articles, medical certification, 100,000 signatures from a poll, and the blessing of the Pope in order be believed?

Please. Have you been reading my posts? I want a form of medical and psychological screening prior to treatment, surgery and public validation of trans woman or man.
Just taking a woman’s opinion because I too am woman is not wise. Trust but verify.

GOD Shines Forth! · Aug 22, 2021

Hans Blaster said:
I will not give any clicks to an alt-right media site in a video featuring the work of a white nationalist.

Oh, the purity!

bekkilyn · Aug 22, 2021

comana said:
Please. Have you been reading my posts? I want a form of medical and psychological screening prior to treatment, surgery and public validation of trans woman or man.
Just taking a woman’s opinion because I too am woman is not wise. Trust but verify.

What you want is not the reality of what's currently going on. In fact, just by suggesting that you want screening and surgery and the like is considered "transphobic" by the trans-radicals, and those who have suggested such in the 'wrong' places have been subject to all sorts of threats and abuse.

I used to think that a transgender person was in the process of getting surgery and had at least made that level of commitment, and so I never really concerned myself about it, and so I was very shocked to later find out that all we need to do to change our "gender" was to just self-identify into it. Even Superman has to make more of an effort to become Clark Kent.

No one suggested you need to take a woman's opinion because you're also a woman, but you didn't even come close to anything other than dismissal, which does tend to be the regular experience of actual women from both other women as well as men.

Hans Blaster · Aug 22, 2021

GOD Shines Forth! said:
Oh, the purity!

I just don't want to pollute my YouTube feed with their (alt-right) trash.

bekkilyn · Aug 22, 2021

I have every level of practically everything coming up on my YouTube feed. It's not something I worry about since I primarily focus on my subscriptions rather than whatever it is YouTube thinks I want to see.

bekkilyn · Aug 23, 2021

Seems that JK Rowling has received a pipe bomb threat for her expressed belief that biological sex is real.

Nithavela · Aug 23, 2021

bekkilyn said:
I think the bathrooms are the very least of the problems.

That's strange, considering you keep talking about them.

Nithavela · Aug 23, 2021

Hans Blaster said:
I just don't want to pollute my YouTube feed with their (alt-right) trash.

Every time I click on a link by certain posters on this forum, Youtube suggest alt-right stuff at me for days.

Nithavela · Aug 23, 2021

This thread is just a huge gish-gallop and can thus be summarily ignored.

bekkilyn · Aug 23, 2021

The oldest hate crime: How misogyny is being used to strangle women’s debate on sex and gender • Fair Play For Women

This report discusses the way some women’s voices are being silenced within the political and social debate on sex and gender identity. Women have an important and legitimate contribution to make but this censorship is preventing a fair and free debate. The aim of this report is not to address the questions and concerns women have but to highlight how and why women are being excluded. This is achieved through the demonisation of women with gender critical views through widespread use of misogynistic hate slurs and accusations of transphobia. This report describes the way women are suffering abuse, hostility and crime motivated by hate and prejudice due to their opinions on sex and gender. The consequences are that women’s views are not being fairly represented through hate-based silencing due to fear, shame and rejection.

bekkilyn · Aug 23, 2021

Female Inmate Pregnant After Being Forced To Share Prison With Biological Men Claiming To Be Transgender; Corrections Department Denies [UPDATE]

“Women in state custody are repeatedly silenced and ignored, and we are focused on amplifying their voices and experiences. The problems resulting from mixed-sex prisons will only get worse as men continue to be transferred into the women’s facilities. We hope that the state will listen to the desperate pleas of these women for their basic rights, safety, and dignity to be upheld,” she said.

As The Daily Wire reported last month, California began handing out condoms and Plan B to female inmates who were forced to accept sharing a prison with biological men claiming to be transgender.

bekkilyn · Aug 23, 2021

The Degenderettes: The Transgender Hate Group Taking Aim at Women - Public Discourse

The Degenderettes invert power relations by allowing men claiming to be women to craft an identity based on fictional oppression by feminists. In reality, their gender politics is merely misogyny in drag. It’s a twist on the older paradigm of sexist males telling women to get in “their place.” Today, men on the left are instructing women that they “are on the wrong side of history.” Trans activists even go so far as accusing lesbians of discriminating and creating a “cotton ceiling” if they refuse to have sex with biological males who identify as women.

Do females who critique gender ideology deserve to be murdered? Is it the case that, as these advocates claim, “the only good TERF is a dead TERF”? The responsibility for finding answers to these questions lies with those who support an ideology that not only seeks to silence women’s voices, but that responds to dissenting views with threats and acts of violence.

Gregorikos · Aug 23, 2021

comana said:
A trans woman has gone through psychological evaluation, committed to live as a women and is considering or gone through hormonal treatment and possibly surgery.

Well first of all, there are no such requirements in any country that I know of for a person to be considered a transwoman. It would be nice if we had at least that, but we do not.

Second, going through a psychological evaluation doesn't make a person a woman.

And all you have left is that the person is "living as a woman" - whatever that means, and they are thinking about getting hormones and surgery. And that makes them a woman, in your view. In my view that is utter rubbish.

A man who puts on a dress without any other action has no credibility as a trans woman. It is a process not solely a statement.

I would like to see legislation that addresses what can be legally considered for trans identity that goes beyond “I now identify as”.

I agree with you on your latter points, but I wonder how it can be a process if she has been a woman all along? Tell me what about it is a process?

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