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RACISM? No, it is not.

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What you say is undoubtably true but there is also an element of scapegoating. It is much easier to find someone else to blame for all the problems than thinking about how you might have contributed to them and what you can do to solve them.
 
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RenewingMyMind said:
Romans 12:9

Love must be sincere, hate what is evil, cling to what is good.

We can hate the sin of racism and the ignorant view of some people but we still have to love them as a person. Racism is demonic and it stems from spirits of hate, anger, and envy.

Actually, I would go further to say that we are required to hate racism, because Christians must hate all sin. But you are absolutely correct: never must we hate the racist along with his racism, since we must love all sinners. At the same time, I wish that all racist "Christians" would stop identifying themselves with Christ, since they blaspheme Christ by doing so.
 
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arunma said:
Actually, I would go further to say that we are required to hate racism, because Christians must hate all sin. But you are absolutely correct: never must we hate the racist along with his racism, since we must love all sinners. At the same time, I wish that all racist "Christians" would stop identifying themselves with Christ, since they blaspheme Christ by doing so.
Must Christians hate sin, or are they only required to abstain from it?
 
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Must Christians hate sin, or are they only required to abstain from it?

Christians are certainly required to hate sin. In fact, the Bible tells us to expose sin to the world.
Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. For it is shameful even to speak of the things that they do in secret. (Ephesians 5:11-12)
This is, in fact, one of my motivations for compelling racists on this forum to address the issue of racism. Racism is sin, and it ought to be exposed wherever it is found, so that racists might be shamed into repentance.
 
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arunma said:
Christians are certainly required to hate sin. In fact, the Bible tells us to expose sin to the world.
Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. For it is shameful even to speak of the things that they do in secret. (Ephesians 5:11-12)



Hmm. Extending it to v14 and taking the NJB translation:
take no part in the futile works of darkness but, on the contrary, sho them up for what they are. The things that are done in secret are shameful even to speak of; but anything shown up by the light will be illuminated and anything illuminated is itself a light.
By speaking out against racism you do something positive from something negative.
 
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Your blatant "caucasians have contributed but no one else has" attitude is noted

The one you imagined in your hysteria.

Lyricx was the one who started with the 'us' and 'them' attitude if you were paying attention.
He said 'non-whites have no reason to like us'.
I said how about all of the things 'we' have done for them - surely they can't hate whites
so much when you consider all of the contributions that have been made to the world by
people who were white? Anyone can come on a computer and say that whites are the most
evil people in the world and they should all be exterminated but they have their
computer, internet, and the right to say that all thanks to people who were white.
Of course, I never said, or implied, that there have been
no contributors to the world/civilisaiton/whatever who weren't white.
You see, I have no problem with you listing the contributions of non-whites, though
it is a mystery to me why you would do that. My best guess is, you assume immediatley
when you see someone talking about the contributions of 'caucasians' or whatever
the hell it is you want to call them, that they are
white supremacists trying to imply that whites have made the only meaningful
contributions to humanity. Well, that is a very prejudiced and biased veiw that
is obviously shared by the rest of the posters in this thread.
It is the only explanation that I can see because, as soon as I started to talk about the
contributions made by people who were caucasian, you ignored the context and started
to behave as if I was saying that whites were superior and the only contributors when
I have not even vaguely implied this in any words. So once again, I have no disagreement
with you talking about the contributions of non-'caucasians' or whatever. However,
if in the course of doing so you list contributions that were made by 'caucasians',
like the persians, then I'm going to say something.



Cmon, say it.
Come on out and say it "All the credit was given to einstein when caucasians already knew about it".

Now why would I say that when einstein was caucasian?


Arab" is to widespread a word to denote any comment here, except that it is a word often wrongly used by racists when referring to those of Islamic faith and Middle eastern background

That's not true at all. The term 'arab' refers to saudis, yemenese, iraqis, jordanians,
palestinians, syrians, egyptians, and libyans. It has nothing to do with racism at all
and ALL of these people identify themselves as arabs that is why they are reffered
to as such in the first place
. The reason why they have this 'arab identity'
is because of the dominance of arabic culture in the middle east with the advent
and conquest of islam from saudi arabia, non-arabian semitic people of the middle
east began to identify themselves as arabs. And yes,
the muslims that you claim preserved the sciences during the
european dark ages were 'arabs' under this definition.

But not exclusively so

Actually, the modern system of democracy, is exclusivey athenian and exclusivley derived
from the athenian concept. Democracy is a system and ideology with specific criteria, which was
conceived in athens and no where else.

Yeah, avestan is an INDO EUROPEAN language
Good try to catch me in a lame trap

That's preciesly what I was trying to say.
Avestan and is an indo-european language and thus related to not only latin and greek
but the celtic, germanic, baltic and slavic languages. No 'lame trap' other then in,
once again, your own wild imagination.

Really?
Care to actually guarantee that absolute assertion?

You must know very little about australian geography, flaura and fauna, and
the history of the aborigines, if you think that they would have progressed significantly
beyond the stone age without outside influence.

But you seem to be saying that they have made the only meaningful contributions to the world and by saying such, state that caucasians have some inherent "superior" ability to do such

That is complete and utter crap. As I've
already pointed out by now, all I did was list the contributions of caucasians,
such as running water, eletricity, transport, etc, to show that we can be
appreciated. Unfortunatley, but not suprisingly, hysterics followed.
When any non-white talks about the contributions of their people,
no one ever accuses them of trying to say that their people are superior
or have made the only meaningful contributions!
But of course it's such a hate crime for someone like me to defend themself again a
comment like
'why shouldn't non-whites hate us'. All I did was list a handful of contributions that
have been made by people who were caucasian, and you obviously feel that only these contributions are meaningful.


I'm sure that your evidence for the Caucasian Theory of Relativity comes from the same place as your information on the small volume of the African skull.

Will you PLEASE give me a SMALL break. Where have I EVER said ANYTHING about the smaller volume of the african skull?
Why don't you just quote me on that - oh yeh I forgot. You can't because once again, you are lying. Saint arunma,
need I remind you that lying is a sin? just like judging others.
 
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Galilean said:
Will you PLEASE give me a SMALL break. Where have I EVER said ANYTHING about the smaller volume of the african skull?
Why don't you just quote me on that - oh yeh I forgot. You can't because once again, you are lying. Saint arunma,
need I remind you that lying is a sin? just like judging others.

I don't consider blasphemers to be Christians, so a Hindu might as well be quoting the Holy Scriptures against me. You regularly proport the theory that race can be determined from certain physical characteristics, which you deem significant enough to prohibit what you call "forbidden marriages." Have you explicitly said that Africans have smaller skulls? Certainly not! But on the other hand, you have not admitted to being racist either. I doubt you'll ever openly take up such labels, because you know the image that is associated with them. But the information you have provided on skull differences among races was originally conducted by people who believe precisely what I said: that "inferior" races have smaller skulls.

Now, my aim is not to debate you on the issue. Rather, my hope is that no one here will extend the right hand of fellowship to you, until you alter your beliefs to conform to Christian orthodoxy.
 
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morningstar2651 said:
Must Christians hate sin, or are they only required to abstain from it?

Romans 12:9

Love must be sincere, hate what is evil, cling to what is good.

As Christians we hate sin which is evil, but we cling to the good things. For instance a racist could make a hateful remark so I could hate the verbal action but I still love the person. It is often hard to do sometimes but we draw on the supernatural love of Christ to do the impossible. The natural thing to do is to fuel the fire or to pass judgment on that person. Although the person may have been raised racist or had bad things happen to him to get him that way. Hatred is of the devil and spirits of anger and hatred are associated with racist and indwell in them. Repetitive hatred and anger opens up doorways for demons to come in and torture the soul and influence it.

Each man has his own body, soul, and spirit. The flesh is our body, the soul is the mind, will, and emotions and the spirit is dead from birth. Pagans spirit bodies are dead because of sin and for those who accept Christ as savior their spirit bodies are reborn thus they are born again. Whether you know it or not wiccan's, and satanist allow demons in to control their dead spirit bodies and torment their souls.

Hebrews 4:12

The word of God is living and powerful, sharper then any two edged sword it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow, it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

The word of God breaks the link between the soul and the spirit and thus acts like a roto rooter to go down and tear down the strongholds of sin in Christians lives that are waring against their souls. Thus this is called deliverance or exorcisms and Christians have demonic manifestations and usually expel them through vomiting or violent shaking and even levitating.

So since the spirit, soul, and physical bodies are unique a Christian can have demons in them even as a believer and follower. So some Christians harbor racist views because they have demonic spirits of anger and hatred still linked to their souls even though they have a new spirit body that is divine in nature. We CHristians are never perfect because we still live in the flesh which has been tainted by sin but that is where the blood of Christ cleanses that and puts to death the sinful nature. Sin is no longer our master but Jesus is. It is continual battle of prayer, worship, and bible studies and the war always wages on but greater is he who is in us then he who is in the world.

So yes we are required to abstain from sin but not one can do it perfectly. We are freed from the righteous requirements of the law by faith in what Jesus has done and that we now allow him to live in us.

Galatians 2:20

I have been crucified with Christ and no longer live but Christ lives in me and the life that I live in this body, I live by faith in the Son of God who loved me and gave himself for me.

Most Christians don't know it but following Christ is a 100% commitment and we were redeemed, thus bought with a price of his precious blood. We no longer belong to ourselves but belong to God. The problem is most Christians don't read God's word or they pick and choose what fits what they want out of it. As Matthew wrote we must deny ourselves and follow Christ even if it means becoming obedient to death.

I suggest you read He Came to Set the Captives Free, Prepare for War, and Generational curses by Rebecca Brown M.D. who is in deliverance ministry and wrote books after delivering one of the top black witches in America and the 8 weeks that it took. She talks all about doorways, curses, legal grounds, and the things the devil disguises to get into our bodies. She talks about deliverance, explains in detail how to sever links and ungodly soul ties and has sections speaking right to the hearts of Satanists confronting them on what they are really doing and how to get out.

Consider this a Christmas gift of God's grace to warn you and others about what Satanism and Wicca is really about. You will probably get upset and mad but there is an eternal consequence here and I am willing to take some flak to plant the seed of truth here in your hearts.

I will pray that God will send people into your natural physical lives to confirm these things and that his hand of protection will be upon you and he will send angels concerning you to watch over you and to steer you to salvation.

John 14:6

Jesus answered, I am the way, the truth, and the life. no man comes to the Father except through me.

No Jesus = No heaven = eternal separation from God = damned to the Lake of Fire that burns day and night for ever and ever.

Jesus loves you all and I will pray that the blinders will be removed and for your salvation. He is waiting to start a relationship with you.

Peace. :amen:
 
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I suggest you read He Came to Set the Captives Free, Prepare for War, and Generational curses by Rebecca Brown M.D. who is in deliverance ministry and wrote books after delivering one of the top black witches in America and the 8 weeks that it took. She talks all about doorways, curses, legal grounds, and the things the devil disguises to get into our bodies. She talks about deliverance, explains in detail how to sever links and ungodly soul ties and has sections speaking right to the hearts of Satanists confronting them on what they are really doing and how to get out.
Ruth Bailey, pseudonym Dr. Rebecca Brown, is a rather unethical person and has been confirmed to be a fraud.

http://answers.org/satan/brown.html

If you are looking for a book with valid arguments against Wicca, Protecting your teen from today's witchcraft: a parent's guide to confronting Wicca and the occult by Steve Russo looks like it might be a good book. I've only read an excerpt, but I look forward to the library getting a copy so I can read the full book and give Russo some feedback.
 
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You regularly proport the theory that race can be determined from certain physical characteristics


Which is fact. Got a problem with reality?

Have you explicitly said that Africans have smaller skulls?


Not only have I not explicity said it I have not even vaguely implied it in any way, shape or form.

But the information you have provided on skull differences among races was originally conducted by people who believe precisely what I said: that "inferior" races have smaller skulls.


Actually, I never provided any information on the skull differences among races, and the skull differences have nothing to do with trying to make the non-caucasoid skulls look smaller. They are for forensic and archaelogical analysis, just like kennewick man.
In modern forensic and archaelogical analysis, skeletal remains are anylised to determine race. You have no clue what you're talking about.
 
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arunma said:
Christians are certainly required to hate sin. In fact, the Bible tells us to expose sin to the world.
Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. For it is shameful even to speak of the things that they do in secret. (Ephesians 5:11-12)
This is, in fact, one of my motivations for compelling racists on this forum to address the issue of racism. Racism is sin, and it ought to be exposed wherever it is found, so that racists might be shamed into repentance.
take no part in the futile works of darkness but, on the contrary, sho them up for what they are. The things that are done in secret are shameful even to speak of; but anything shown up by the light will be illuminated and anything illuminated is itself a light.
But those verses say nothing of hatred. They appear to speak more about exposing "antagonists".
"Antagonists are individuals who, on the basis of nonsubstansive evidence, go out of their way to make insatiable demands, usually attacking the person or performance of others. These attacks are selfish in nature, tearing down rather than building up, and are frequently directed against those in a leadership capacity." - Kenneth Haugk, Antagonists in the Church: How to Identify and Deal With Destructive Conflict
 
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I don't know what country you live in, but here in America, the population is roughly 85% Christian. So if you're experiencing an "onslaught" by this tiny minority of non-Christians, then you're either presenting yourselves as doormats, or these non-Christians are some new breed of Ubermensch.
I think that estimate might be a little high and the samee thing is happening over here. http://www.savethemales.ca/index.html
Christmas is Crucified Again

By Henry Makow Ph.D.
December 30, 2005


"Did you enjoy the Holiday Concert?" the school principal asked my friend.

"Yes, but why didn't you call it a Christmas Concert?'

"Oh I can't. The Superintendent issued instructions that the concert must be inclusive of all the diverse cultures in the school. We are not allowed to mention Christmas, Christ, or Jesus."

My friend was bewildered. The school is 95% Christian. Yet all the carols with Christian references were performed as instrumentals. Instead they recited "In Flanders Fields," a poem commemorating the dead from World War One!

This humiliating scene was replayed millions of times this Christmas season. Christian groups boycotted retailers who dropped the word Christmas from their advertising. Celebrating the central Christian holiday, and even saying "Merry Christmas" has become a political act, an ominous harbinger.

Why has this happened? The answer isn't pretty. The world financial elite wants to eradicate Christianity. Their forerunners crucified Christ. Christianity gives everyone a piece of the pie and elitists want it all for themselves.

According to Christianity, all human beings were created in God's image, i.e. Divine Truth resides in every soul. Accordingly, God loves everyone equally and human life is sacred. Our birthright is to know God by following Christ's teachings.
 
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Because it is not just a Political issue. It is also a cultural one. We are told we are supposed to be sympathetic and respectful to other cultures and their diversity. But then Christianity and all it stands for is being targeted and our traditions being slaughtered. It is time we stand up and instead of our rights being trampled on we are fighting back to keep our Christmas Trees. To share that this time of year is for Christmas. We know that Kwanzaa and Hanukkah are celebrated but you don't see us calling the Menorah, holiday sticks do you. Jews would be angry if we did. So call our tree what it is. Its a Christmas Tree.

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msgstephen said:
RACISM? No, it is not. That the Islamic juggernaught has hit a wall in Australia is NOT racism. Most, not all yet, but most "Westerners" do not care about the colour of a person's skin.

Here in Canada, people of every race aspire and attain every career available. Race is not an issue, really.

But, forces that hate traditionally European-based culture and religion will scream "Racism!" should anything get in their way of dismantling everything they perceive as European based.

They want to dismantle democracy, Christianity, self-esteem among whites, Judeo-Christian based ethics and so on.

Get in their way and suddenly they scream "RACIST!".

Now here's an interesting story. The Governor General of Canada, a black woman if that means anything anymore, had a tree put up this year outside her residence in celibration of the Season. Her office, dutifully obedient to the forces that want to destroy all things European based, quickly announced the presence of the tree calling it a HOLIDAY TREE.

The Governor General was shocked. And came out with a statment saying that the tree was definitely NOT a Holiday Tree .. Her Excellency Michaelle Jean made sure everyone in the country knew very well it was a CHRISTMAS TREE.

Since then, several municipalities in Canada have officially returned to calling a kettle a kettle and a Christmas Tree a Christmas Tree.

It's not racism, it's claiming one's rightful culture.

Why should traditionally Judeo-Christian and European culture countries submit every time? Why should it be their culture that is endlessly diminished? People are beginning to stand up against the onslaught against them.


Weeell, the fact that "Christmas tree" isn't really originally Christian, and it's not originally called "Christmas tree" but "Holiday tree" is quite interesting.
But I haven't found that many who actually cares.
 
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RACISM? No, it is not. That the Islamic juggernaught has hit a wall in Australia is NOT racism. Most, not all yet, but most "Westerners" do not care about the colour of a person's skin.

Here in Canada, people of every race aspire and attain every career available. Race is not an issue, really.

But, forces that hate traditionally European-based culture and religion will scream "Racism!" should anything get in their way of dismantling everything they perceive as European based.

They want to dismantle democracy, Christianity, self-esteem among whites, Judeo-Christian based ethics and so on.

Get in their way and suddenly they scream "RACIST!".

Now here's an interesting story. The Governor General of Canada, a black woman if that means anything anymore, had a tree put up this year outside her residence in celibration of the Season. Her office, dutifully obedient to the forces that want to destroy all things European based, quickly announced the presence of the tree calling it a HOLIDAY TREE.

The Governor General was shocked. And came out with a statment saying that the tree was definitely NOT a Holiday Tree .. Her Excellency Michaelle Jean made sure everyone in the country knew very well it was a CHRISTMAS TREE.

Since then, several municipalities in Canada have officially returned to calling a kettle a kettle and a Christmas Tree a Christmas Tree.

It's not racism, it's claiming one's rightful culture.

Why should traditionally Judeo-Christian and European culture countries submit every time? Why should it be their culture that is endlessly diminished? People are beginning to stand up against the onslaught against them.


The whole "Christmas" vs. "Holiday" debate is more about acknowledging other religions rather than about race. I'm Christian, but have no problem with the idea of expressing "Happy Holidays" rather than "Merry Christmas" in order to include other faiths in my wishes. What's the harm?
 
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GodsNhilist said:
The whole "Christmas" vs. "Holiday" debate is more about acknowledging other religions rather than about race. I'm Christian, but have no problem with the idea of expressing "Happy Holidays" rather than "Merry Christmas" in order to include other faiths in my wishes. What's the harm?


Finally one who thinks so too. I mean, the point isn't the name of the celebration. It's what the celebration is about.
 
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Because it is not just a Political issue. It is also a cultural one. We are told we are supposed to be sympathetic and respectful to other cultures and their diversity. But then Christianity and all it stands for is being targeted and our traditions being slaughtered. It is time we stand up and instead of our rights being trampled on we are fighting back to keep our Christmas Trees. To share that this time of year is for Christmas. We know that Kwanzaa and Hanukkah are celebrated but you don't see us calling the Menorah, holiday sticks do you. Jews would be angry if we did. So call our tree what it is. Its a Christmas Tree.

-cw

It's just words. You can seek drama and conspiracy behind everything they do or say. The world is filled with surpressed cultures, MUCH worse than Christians in the Western world....so, please...lighten up...

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This thread has definitely gone insane in the month that I was gone.

anyway. Rosenherman couldnt answer me. msgstephen couldn't answer me. If someone can't answer it means they don't know which means they're probably wrong.

This thread was just going in circles anyway and becoming a contest of who can scream the longest and the loudest.
 
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