Rachael Doleza and Catilyn Jenner; what's the difference?

[ecco]

Perhaps Rachael's brain was affected while she was in the womb in a way that makes her want to be black.

Wanting to be black and having a sexual identity are two different things.
There are brain and other biological functions that lead to sexual identity. I've never heard of that for color preference.

 

[tulipbee]

This statement refuses to recognize one or more realities.

* People have sex drives. That means they are driven to have sex.

* Sex is ONLY allowed within a covenant of marriage. (the vows)

So either you are ignoring the sex drives; or ignoring the restriction on sex to confine it to the marriage covenant.

Driven to have children

 

[tulipbee]

Then you think wrong, unless you also think that the impotent and sterile should divorce, or that those who later in life cannot have sex due to illness or disability should divorce, or that widows/widowers shouldn't remarry, or goodness, there are a whole host of reasons why people don't "raise a family." There are more things in heaven and earth than dreamt of in your philosophy ... Horatio.

It's more weird to figure out how gay marriage works

 

[Hetta]

It's more weird to figure out how gay marriage works

Just don't get gay married and you'll never have to figure it out.

 

[Hetta]

Driven to have children

No, the drive is for sex. It's quite high on the pyramid of needs.

 

[Ken-1122]

Wanting to be black and having a sexual identity are two different things.
There are brain and other biological functions that lead to sexual identity. I've never heard of that for color preference.

Fair enough. Let's assume Catilyn's desire to be a woman is a result of biology, and Rachael's desire is a result of her life experiences. Why is one okay and the other is not?

Ken

 

[Skaloop]

It's more weird to figure out how gay marriage works

It's pretty simple. A guy marries a guy, or a girl marries a girl. Not weird at all.

 

[MehGuy]

I highly doubt there is an intrinsic feeling regarding one's race. As a white person I do not get this overwhelming "white person" feeling. Lol.

As for trans people you could at least make a tangible biological connection. Most likely a trans-woman's brain is more female than male. With a so called trans-race person I fail to see what connection they can claim. There is absolutely no biological connection.

While I struggle with self identifying myself, I do for a large part consider myself agender, so the idea of feeling like one gender or the other is a little hard for me to grasp, and likewise I might be a little off with what trans-women and trans-men go through.

As far as Rachael Doleza acting and pretending to be black, I do not care. She looks better as a mixed race person than she did as a white woman. Lol.

 

[tulipbee]

Just don't get gay married and you'll never have to figure it out.

I don't think I'll never figure it out. Even if it gets figured out, we are left with a Bruce Jenner preaching at the pulpit confusing our children. So far I have figured out here is that some think child bearing has nothing to do with the real meaning of male-female marriage is that sex is impossible in gay marriage and according to some here gay marriage is the same as traditional marriage. What I read here is that some are saying that two people makes a childless commitment to take care of each other whatever that means. What does looking after each other mean?

 

[tulipbee]

Fair enough. Let's assume Catilyn's desire to be a woman is a result of biology, and Rachael's desire is a result of her life experiences. Why is one okay and the other is not?

Ken

Shaving of the Adams apple, implanting fake breasts, removing the gentials and replacing with another, taking chemicals to raise the voice higher is definitely a biology modification and it isn't OK to tell God He made a mistake. It's called the biology of playing God when He didn't do His job right.

 

[Armoured]

Shaving of the Adams apple, implanting fake breasts, removing the gentials and replacing with another, taking chemicals to raise the voice higher is definitely a biology modification and it isn't OK to tell God He made a mistake. It's called the biology of playing God when He didn't do His job right.

So you don't approve of corrective surgery for harelips either, right?

 

[tulipbee]

It's pretty simple. A guy marries a guy, or a girl marries a girl. Not weird at all.

The real fact is that two people have a business partner agreement to run lifestyles. Biblical marriage isn't the government and is different. Today we want deals with two people like visitation rights, rights to children, rights to get discounts on insurance and stuff. This is state and religion merged together, not separation of state and churches. If like to know what marriage means to the atheists. I'm sure thier answer won't be weird to you.

 

[tulipbee]

So you don't approve of corrective surgery for harelips either, right?

You got a point! If the deaf wants to hear through surgery, it most likely not going to work. They can pretend to hear like the trans pretend to act. Niether is really going to work. I read that deafs wants rights to be deaf but the society won't let them. We won't let them be male or female. We want the hair lips to talk better eat better and look better. That is the society shaping what that want to be.

 

[Hetta]

I don't think I'll never figure it out. Even if it gets figured out, we are left with a Bruce Jenner preaching at the pulpit confusing our children. So far I have figured out here is that some think child bearing has nothing to do with the real meaning of male-female marriage is that sex is impossible in gay marriage and according to some here gay marriage is the same as traditional marriage. What I read here is that some are saying that two people makes a childless commitment to take care of each other whatever that means. What does looking after each other mean?

That's a major run on sentence. Firstly, Kaitlyn doesn't occupy any pulpits that I'm aware of. She is not a pastor. Secondly, it is up to you to unconfuse your children. My children aren't confused at all, perhaps because they're better educated. Finally, marriage is marriage. To say that couples without children are not married is not even scriptural. I guess you want to throw out the infertile and the injured. The fact that you don't value their marriage doesn't really matter to anyone but you.

 

[Armoured]

You got a point! If the deaf wants to hear through surgery, it most likely not going to work. They can pretend to hear like the trans pretend to act. Niether is really going to work. I read that deafs wants rights to be deaf but the society won't let them. We won't let them be male or female. We want the hair lips to talk better eat better and look better. That is the society shaping what that want to be.

Didn't really answer my question, there.

 

[Hetta]

Actually the deaf get to hear all the time by a miraculous device called a cochlear implant. It does work, and there is no pretending.

Many of the deaf do not want to hear in fact, and are not happy about cochlear implants. They believe that by the creation of implants, being deaf is made an "illness" that one should be "cured" of and that those who do not or cannot are secondary citizens. There is some merit to that perspective, but that shouldn't stop those who can be helped from being helped.

 

[Armoured]

Actually the deaf get to hear all the time by a miraculous device called a cochlear implant.

An Australian invention, FYI.

 

[tulipbee]

That's a major run on sentence. Firstly, Kaitlyn doesn't occupy any pulpits that I'm aware of. She is not a pastor. Secondly, it is up to you to unconfuse your children. My children aren't confused at all, perhaps because they're better educated. Finally, marriage is marriage. To say that couples without children are not married is not even scriptural. I guess you want to throw out the infertile and the injured. The fact that you don't value their marriage doesn't really matter to anyone but you.

Churches that allows GLBT is just that. That means GLBT runs the church. It's that simple. The "T" in GLBT means a Bruce Jenner style preaching that God makes mistakes and that is certainly confusing to kids and the Christians. Marriage is for family, not the modern legal partner agreements laid out by lawyers for the government. There must be separation of state and church. There are no GLBT Christians. Big difference! Like Scientology can call themselves a church without ever using the word Jesus. A GLBT church is the brand hoax of history

 

[Hetta]

The fact is that you consistently refuse to acknowledge the fact that not all couples can conceive, and that in fact not everyone should have a child, never mind if they don't want a child (which is a good enough reason not to have one in my opinion). It seems not to matter to you that when people have children they can't handle, they tend to abuse or neglect them. So, was it better that they didn't have a child, or that they had a child and abused it? According to your dictum, everyone should have children, but that's simply not the way that God them, and who is to argue with God's design? If he made a person infertile, then it shouldn't be changed, but that person shouldn't be denied marriage, nor should they be divorced by their partner because of their infertility.

If you don't like churches that are open to all seekers, then don't go to one, and don't take your children to one. They can't be preaching to you unless you're attending that church, so if you are there and taking your children there, their confusion is caused by you taking them to that church and then not explaining to them. Shrug.

p.s. I'm not suggesting that Skaloop, or any of the childless/childfree would abuse a child!! Just wanted to clarify that.

 

[Armoured]

It is an accident of history that LGBT includes the "T" bit. The T part of that acronym really are a completely separate issue, and are largely done a disservice by being conflated with the rest of the LGB issues.