Rachael Doleza and Catilyn Jenner; what's the difference?

[Ken-1122]

Rachael Doleza is a white lady who says she identifies racially as black, and has even passed as black. Every time I see her on TV everybody seems to vilify her and act as if she is a fraud. Yet when Bruce Jenner claimed to identify as a woman, and is currently living as a woman; even to the point of changing his name to Caitlyn he is held up as a hero even to the point of ESPN presenting the Author Ashe courage award. Why? Why is Rachael Doleza vilified and Caitlyn praised? What’s the difference?
Ken

 

[tulipbee]

If like to know that!

 

[Holoman]

There was another story of a woman that felt like a blind person, even though she could see. In the end she actually blinded herself and was pretty happy about it.

If there is a difference between all these cases I struggle to see it.

 

[tulipbee]

There was another story of a woman that felt like a blind person, even though she could see. In the end she actually blinded herself and was pretty happy about it.

If there is a difference between all these cases I struggle to see it.

And she got disability while we pay the taxes for it. The taxes gives her monthly payments, food stamps and healthcare. We all paid them. The government needs to eliminate marriages all together and let the churches handle the real marriages.

 

[Skaloop]

And she got disability while we pay the taxes for it. The taxes gives her monthly payments, food stamps and healthcare. We all paid them. The government needs to eliminate marriages all together and let the churches handle the real marriages.

Are you suggesting that my marriage isn't real?

 

[Ken-1122]

And she got disability while we pay the taxes for it. The taxes gives her monthly payments, food stamps and healthcare. We all paid them. The government needs to eliminate marriages all together and let the churches handle the real marriages.

What on earth does marriage have to do with this conversation?

Ken

 

[ecco]

Rachael Doleza is a white lady who says she identifies racially as black, and has even passed as black. Every time I see her on TV everybody seems to vilify her and act as if she is a fraud. Yet when Bruce Jenner claimed to identify as a woman, and is currently living as a woman; even to the point of changing his name to Caitlyn he is held up as a hero even to the point of ESPN presenting the Author Ashe courage award. Why? Why is Rachael Doleza vilified and Caitlyn praised? What’s the difference?
Ken

One, Rachael Doleza, is based on a desire; one, Caitlyn, is based on biology.

That aside, many people criticized Rachael Doleza, because she pretended to be something she was not for her own agenda. Caitlyn, for many years, pretended to be something she was not, causing her great mental anguish. It is no different than born homosexuals pretending to be straight.

 

[tulipbee]

Are you suggesting that my marriage isn't real?

Tell us about your marriage and I'll tell you if it's real

 

[Skaloop]

Tell us about your marriage and I'll tell you if it's real

I'm married. To a woman I love and who loves me. I think even that is too much to say, as we are married according to every measure of what constitutes marriage. I don't see any way in which our marriage would not be real.

 

[tulipbee]

I'm married. To a woman I love and who loves me. I think even that is too much to say, as we are married according to every measure of what constitutes marriage. I don't see any way in which our marriage would not be real.

I wonder what marriages mean to those that planned not to have children

 

[Sketcher]

Connections and TV contracts.

 

[Paradoxum]

Feeling female makes more sense, since there are (generally) some mental and (significant) physical differences between men and women.

Imagine a female brain in a male body. There might be issues.

I really don't care if a white person claims to be black though... unless it's based on stereotypes.

 

[Hetta]

I wonder what marriages mean to those that planned not to have children

It probably means they love each other but don't want to have children.

 

[Hetta]

One, Rachael Doleza, is based on a desire; one, Caitlyn, is based on biology.

That aside, many people criticized Rachael Doleza, because she pretended to be something she was not for her own agenda. Caitlyn, for many years, pretended to be something she was not, causing her great mental anguish. It is no different than born homosexuals pretending to be straight.

Well said.

 

[AvilaSurfer]

One, Rachael Doleza, is based on a desire; one, Caitlyn, is based on biology.

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Biology? Chromosomes don't change. It's still a guy.

 

[Crowns&Laurels]

One, Rachael Doleza, is based on a desire; one, Caitlyn, is based on biology.

That aside, many people criticized Rachael Doleza, because she pretended to be something she was not for her own agenda. Caitlyn, for many years, pretended to be something she was not, causing her great mental anguish. It is no different than born homosexuals pretending to be straight.

"Born homosexuals".
Like Antoine, who just became heterosexual. Or Jenner, "born a woman"- but spent 60 years of his life as a father and husband.

I like how this "fact" that people are innately born with these things are only actually backed by the demand for it to be true. All the "evidence" that doesn't exist proves it

 

[Ken-1122]

One, Rachael Doleza, is based on a desire; one, Caitlyn, is based on biology.

That aside, many people criticized Rachael Doleza, because she pretended to be something she was not for her own agenda.

How do you know it was just an agenda? How do you know this isn't what she was actually feeling inside?

Caitlyn, for many years, pretended to be something she was not, causing her great mental anguish. It is no different than born homosexuals pretending to be straight.

What was it about Bruce Jenner's biology that caused him to want to be a woman? Isn't it all mental?

Ken

 

[Ken-1122]

Feeling female makes more sense, since there are (generally) some mental and (significant) physical differences between men and women.

Imagine a female brain in a male body. There might be issues.

What would those issues be? I realize many segments of society impose gender roles, but who says you have to go along with those roles if you don't want to?

Ken

 

[ecco]

Biology? Chromosomes don't change. It's still a guy.

It's not just chromosomes. It's the levels of estrogen and testosterone that the embryo/fetus was exposed to in the womb.

 

[ecco]

"Born homosexuals".
Like Antoine, who just became heterosexual. Or Jenner, "born a woman"- but spent 60 years of his life as a father and husband.

I like how this "fact" that people are innately born with these things are only actually backed by the demand for it to be true. All the "evidence" that doesn't exist proves it

Evidence and proof mean little to you. You have shown, in many of your posts that you disbelieve those parts of science that go against your religious beliefs.