Quit Drinking The Denomenational Kool-Aid & Stick with Scripture

EddardStark said:

But yeah...OP seems to be of the KJV-only-crowd. That explains a lot And the colletive IQ of the board just fell by a two-digit number after that post!

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Even antiKJVonlyers will admit that not all the Bibles say the same thing. So to avoid an impasse in finding out the truth in His words, stick with the KJV because all the hooplah for modern Bibles has been to get an easier to read Bible than the KJV, and yet they did not succeed after the NIV?

And still they keep trying to get an easier to read Bible than the KJB.

That is why I say go to Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd for understanding His words in the KJB because no man can help them read the Bible when it is on God to cause the increase as wisdom only comes from the Lord.

James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

1 Corinthians 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

EddardStark said:

The KJV was a decent translation 400 years ago. Today it's wholly inadequate, and I'm not just talking about the antiquated language.

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See this link and confirm that information if you wish, but the Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level Indicator testify that the KJV is easier to read.

Is the King James Bible harder to read

It's based on inferior manuscripts, it has whole verses added to the text that aren't there in the most reliable ones, etc.

It's better than no Bible at all, but it is certainly NOT a good translation of God's Word.

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Do regard what Jesus said about those that loved Him & His words in keeping them.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

That means there should be no early manuscripts because those that loved Him & His words would be wearing them out and thus needing replacements.

Now see Jesus prophesying that the Father says those that do not love Him will not keep His words.

John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

Where is that prophesy? You say words were added to the KJV of which I am assuming you are referring to 1 John 5:7 as being one of them, but the 1599 Geneva Bible has it too.

So it goes to the TR of the source origin of those manuscripts.

How can one prove that the TR's source origin from Antioch is more relaible than the "early" ones originating from Alexandria?

Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Secular history reports that Alexandria was the center of poetic licensing and gnosticism was known in the area.

Do we not have those who deny the deity of Christ today? Granted, there are enough verses in those early manuscripts to testify of the deity of Christ but enough has been dropped and changed to suit the purposes of gnosticism which denies the deity of Christ and pushed for secret knowledge or personal revelations apart from His words.

So how can you correct those that deny the deity of Christ when modern Bibles and even Bible NET will have enough selected scripture to support their false beliefs? When I corner those that deny the deity of Christ and yet rely on the KJV to go to Isaiah 48:16-17, they would side step it and go to Bible NET and say that it was about Cyrus; and not a prophesy about Jesus Christ nor His deity.

Can you see the need tyo rely on one Bible now?

Most modern Bibles in 2 Corinthians 3:6 & John 6:63 had capitalized the spirit as the Holy Spirit in conforming with the changed Nicene creed of 325 A.D. to conform to the errant teaching of the Nicene creed of 381 A.D. in giving the Holy Spirit the glory as the "Giver of life"; when all the Bibles, modern & KJV testify that the Son is the Giver of life in John 6:33-35 and we are to come to the Son for that life as scripture is supposed to testify of the Son; John 5:39-40 so that we come to Him for life.

To top it off, Romans 8:26-27 has changed the testimony of the Son in verse 27 to be about the Holy Spirit as if He can make His own intercessions Himself, but other scripture testifies that He cannot make them Himself. John 16:13 testify that the Holy Spirit can only speak what He hears. The purpose of the only Mediator is to be the sole Handler of all intercessions given to the Father because when the Father says "yes", the Son answers our prayers so that the Father may be glorified in the Son in receiving thanks in Jesus's name ( John 14:13-14 ); thus narrowing the way to the Father because the Son really is the only way to come to God the Father for anything ( John 14:6-7 ) as the Son is our Passover Lamb at that throne of grace: not the Holy Spirit.

Therefore the Holy Spirit cannot answer prayers and it is not His job to give His own intercessions directly Himself which is why Romans 8:26 says they are unspeakable which cannot be uttered because the Holy Spirit cannot make them known which is why verse 27 exists testifying to the "he" that searches our hearts Whom is the Word of God per Hebrews 4:12-16 ) and thus it is the Son that knows the mind of the Spirit as this is done in according to the will of God as there is only One Mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus ( 1 Timothy 2:5 ) Who ever lives to make intercessions for us ( Hebrews 7:25 ).

And some modern Bibles have a grammatical error in changing out the "he" with "the Spirit" in verse 27.

And some modern Bibles imply that sounds are being made thus inferring that tongues is being used as a prayer language.

So the error in all modern Bibles is they testify falsely that the Holy Spirit actually make His own intercessions known by Himself and thus many believers today along with most errant modern Bibles testifying along with the errant Nicene creed of 381 A.D. that it is the Spirit that gives life and guess what?

Believers are addressing the Spirit in worship and asking Him to fill them continually or to come and fall on them for a sensational sign in the flesh: like holy laughter: falling on the floor like "slain in the 'Spirit' " and even tongues that comes with no interpretation:

They called on the Holy Spirit to invoke these events to occur after the initial encounter leads these believers and others to go chasing after those seducing spirits as if they can receive the Holy Spirit again which they were warned to beware of ( 2 Corinthians 11:3-4; 13:5 & 1 John 4:1-4 )

So how can you reprove those that pray to the Holy Spirit for "life" and errantly believe that tongues can be used as a prayer language when these self same believers are falling down from climbing up another away around the Son and drinking from a different fountain?

Proverbs 25:26 A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring. 27 It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory. 28 He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.

How can we reprove that there is no second blessing and thus no other calling or baptism with the Holy Spirit with evidence of tongues to seek?

The scripture reproved the lost books as not accepted scripture, but most believers do not sees the changes in declining from the testimony of the Son in modern Bibles as an offense to prefer the KJV.

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber....7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door:

John 6:33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. 34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. 35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

Psalm 119:157 Many are my persecutors and mine enemies; yet do I not decline from thy testimonies. 158 I beheld the transgressors, and was grieved; because they kept not thy word.

Many "holy rollers" are hungry for more of God; for more of that filling of the "Spirit", disregarding the promise of Jesus that they would never hunger nor thirst after coming to & believing in Him. These wayward believers are falling down out of thirst and hunger because of modern Bibles hiding the truth from them in leading them away from Christ to this visiting 'Spirit" for life which is not the real indwelling Holy Spirit.

Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord: 12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it. 13 In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst.

This prophesy has come true and so I pray that you will reconsider your stance against the KJV for the "meat" of His words to discern good & evil because it would take a miracle from God to heed the words from the KJV to test the spirits as not being of Him when the errors in modern Bibles would lead them to gloss over those reproofs in their own modern Bible as if it does not really apply because of those few errant translations in that modern Bible.

It is those such as yourself who claim to merely "follow the Bible" that are part of the problem, not the solution.

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Which is why I point to Jesus to confirm everything I have shared. He is your Good Shepherd. He will show you whom did love Him in keeping His words and whom did not.

1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

It is not about being KJVonlyer.... it is about relying on the Good Shepherd in reading His words as kept by those that loved Him & His words in the KJV to keep the faith which is the good fight by His grace & by His help.