Quick Question

[MbiaJc]

I don't why there's a difference in between ages serving as a king and serving in the temple. That would be a good thing to find out IMO. Serving in the temple I know has a greater importance, especially eternally than being king of a nation.

The youngest person to serve as a king in the Bible was Jehoash. There's no way that a person that young can truly be a king on his own. 2 King 11:21 Seven years old was Jehoash when he began to reign.
Jehoash though had the temple high priest Jehoiada, (also his sister's husband) instructing him on how to rule the nation.

Studying scripture many of the younger kings who succeeded successfully, got their wisdom from God, the temple priests & God's prophets.

God can and does use younger people. I'm a testament of that. I started working preschool and in the AWANA program at my church at a young age.

God uses people who are willing to be used. God also uses people in certain positions cause the ones who should be doing it, are unwilling & disobeying God in their lives.

Hi Red:

I think two things one you brought out, the importance of the two.

Second Kingdoms on this earth are handed down to airs, from generation to generation Lord willing. However the priesthood is not, a priest son does not inherit his earthly father’s position as a priest.

 

[DeaconDean]

However the priesthood is not, a priest son does not inherit his earthly father’s position as a priest.

Nowadays, no. But according to the Old Testament it did:

"And take thou unto thee Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him, from among the children of Israel, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office, even Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar, Aaron's sons." -Ex. 28:1 (KJV)

According to this, all facets of the tabernacle worship, lighting of incense, the sacrifice, etc., were for Aaron and his sons. And not only was Aaron and his sons only, but we are told that:

"And thou shalt gird them with girdles, Aaron and his sons, and put the bonnets on them: and the priest's office shall be theirs for a perpetual statute: and thou shalt consecrate Aaron and his sons." -Ex. 29:9 (KJV)

The Priesthood would be for Aaron and his sons in perpetuity. And unless the Bible is incorrect, perpetual (Strongs #5969; "owlam") means:

"long duration, antiquity, futurity, for ever, ever, everlasting, evermore, perpetual, old, ancient, world

1. ancient time, long time (of past)
2. (of future)
   1. for ever, always
   2. continuous existence, perpetual
   3. everlasting, indefinite or unending future, eternity

http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=05769&version=kjv

Not only would the priesthood be Aaron's, but it would fall on Aaron's sons, and their sons, and their sons sons, and so on, and so forth. Just as the passover observance was made perpetual (Ex. 12:24 - "And ye shall observe this thing for an ordinance to thee and to thy sons for ever. (KJV)), so does the priesthood. (Least wise until Jesus became our great High Priest, Heb. 2:17; 3:1; 4:14-15; 5:5, 10; 6:20; 7:1, 26; 8:1, 3; 9:11; 10:21)

Dean there is a big difference between king and priest. You are leaning to your own understanding, not the word of God. And no he did not start His ministry at age 12. His ministry started when John baptized Him and the Holy Ghost rested on Him in the form of a dove. Some complicate the answer to the question, trying to make it fit their preconceived ideas. The simple truth is the Church and its leadership is set up like the Leviticus priesthood. God said, priest start their duties in the temple at age 30 and serve in the temple till age 50. >>THAT SETTLES IT<< It is the same with women, God said they couldn't be Preachers or Pastors>>THAT SETTLES IT<< It doesn't matter that she is capable of doing it. What maters is God is not going to call her to preach or pastor>>THAT SETTLES IT<<Same way with mans service, God does not use him till is designated time is complete. Notice I didn't say call him, because his call to salvation and discipleship is one and the same. God does not call one to salvation and years later to preach or pester. He does it all at the same time. We are all priests and all are to preach and pastor at the right time. Our service in the Church is simply using the gifts given to us by the Father, Son and Holy Spirit and also some by the Church.
BTW preaching is only heralding the Gospel the good news. Evangelist (heralds the Gospel) actually comes under the gift of teaching. Every thing else vocal either come under the gift of Apostle or Prophet. Carefully compare 1Cor. 12:28 with Eph. 4:11. EPh. 4 does not have but 3 verbal gifts which agrees with 1Cor. 12:28, however there are 4 positions.

Ok brother, I'll heed your point on one condition, show me in the NT, where the age to be priests, evangelists, prophets, pastors, elders, deacons, etc, is limited to anybody over age 30?

"And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues." -1 Cor, 12:28 (KJV)

" And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;" -Eph. 4:11 (KJV)

Now what does this have to do with the question of age in regards to Pastoring? And unless I'm mistaken, these gifts are from the Holy Spirit, and as such, they are given upon repentance and believing. Does the Holy Spirit give the gift of apostles, prophets, evengelists, pastors and teachers only when a person reaches the age of 30?

So a person who graduates high school at 17, enroles in seminary, gets his Masters at 25, and his Phd. at 27, or D. Min at 27, they aren't qualified to Pastor because they aren't at least 30?

Years ago, If a person felt the calling to preach, the church would watch and verify the calling. If it was verified they would liscense the person and sent them out. Plain and simple. Where was the age requirment then? That is something which has just recently came about and I'm 100% set against it.

In fact, if you read the qualifications for "bishop" there isn't even a requirment for calling:

"If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work." -1 Tim. 3:1 It says "if one desire the office of a bishop." The only thing I see for "bishops" is that they must be:

"A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil." -1 Tim 3:2-7

Where does it say they have to be 30?

The only requirment that I see is the one for deacons:

"And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless." -1 Tim. 3:10

I don't see anywhere where there is an age requirement here. Where does it say they have to be 30 here?

I know you may not be able to get it, but I wrote to Tony Cartledge, the editor of "The Biblicial Recorder" to express my displeasure at the qualifications that have been the tend lately concerning the hiring of Pastors. He personally wrote me back and said that letter was too long to publish, but if I would shorten it to 300 words, he would be glad to publish it. Look in "The Biblicial Recorder" and look at the ads that churches have asking for Pastors. It will break your heart. Here's the link:

http://www.biblicalrecorder.org/advertising/classifieds/index.shtml

One such ad read: Wanted, Senior Pastor for church in Triad Area. Congregation of 600, Sunday School of 350. Qualifications are: Phd. or D. Min from acredited Southern Baptist Seminary or equivelent in experience. 10 plus years in the ministry. To lead all phases of church worship. Send resumes to:

The ad no where asked for the calling placed on the person by the Lord. All that mattered was the "technical" qualifications. And that is the problem today. To many men in the pulpit with the education and not the calling from the Lord.

I have the calling, the church testified to it. I have been ordained a Deacon. I have been liscensed to preach, and have a pastoral diploma that is acredited from these six theological seminaries of the Southern Baptist Convention - Golden Gate, Midwestern, New Orleans, Southeastern, Southern and Southwestern, but because I don't met the "technical" qualifications (i.e., MA, Phd. D. Min.), I have been turned down for a Pastorate.

I don't care how old the person is, if the calling is from the Lord, who are we to say you can't preach or evangelize, or Pastor until your 30.

If the calling is from the Lord, the Spirit is upon the person, and their preaching is Biblically sound, and then to say, You can't do any of that until your 30, isn't that awful close to:

"Quench not the Spirit." -1 Thes. 5:19

By making statements like that, are you awful close of quenching the Spirit in that person?

I've seen it before. The Pastor at my church done the exact same thing to my Brother-In-Law, we attended seminary together. He feels the calling as I do. While he and I both know and ackonwledge that his divorces would make it hard for him to pastor, it isn't totally out of the question. But one night as my Brother-In-Law and I were tlking to the Pastor, the Pastor made the statement that he'd never be able to preach or Pastor since he had been divorced. Boy did the Pastor kill the Spirit in my Borther-In-Law.

Being divorced may disqualify one from Pastoring, but no where does it disqualify one from Evangelism or teaching.

Now you have your beliefs and I say God Bless you in your convictions. But I believe that if the calling is from God, and the Spirit gives the gift, it is wrong to stifle a person and tell them they can't exercise the God-given gift until they are 30.

I love ya brother, but I just don't see it the same way you do.

You have your beliefs, and I have mine. May the Lord bless you in yours.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[MbiaJc]

DeaconDean;32041140]Nowadays, no. But according to the Old Testament it did:

"And take thou unto thee Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him, from among the children of Israel, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office, even Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar, Aaron's sons." -Ex. 28:1 (KJV)

According to this, all facets of the tabernacle worship, lighting of incense, the sacrifice, etc., were for Aaron and his sons. And not only was Aaron and his sons only, but we are told that:

"And thou shalt gird them with girdles, Aaron and his sons, and put the bonnets on them: and the priest's office shall be theirs for a perpetual statute: and thou shalt consecrate Aaron and his sons." -Ex. 29:9 (KJV)

The Priesthood would be for Aaron and his sons in perpetuity. And unless the Bible is incorrect, perpetual (Strongs #5969; "owlam") means:

"long duration, antiquity, futurity, for ever, ever, everlasting, evermore, perpetual, old, ancient, world

1. ancient time, long time (of past)
2. (of future)
   1. for ever, always
   2. continuous existence, perpetual
   3. everlasting, indefinite or unending future, eternity

http://bible1.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=05769&version=kjv

Not only would the priesthood be Aaron's, but it would fall on Aaron's sons, and their sons, and their sons sons, and so on, and so forth. Just as the passover observance was made perpetual (Ex. 12:24 - "And ye shall observe this thing for an ordinance to thee and to thy sons for ever. (KJV)), so does the priesthood. (Least wise until Jesus became our great High Priest, Heb. 2:17; 3:1; 4:14-15; 5:5, 10; 6:20; 7:1, 26; 8:1, 3; 9:11; 10:21)

Ok Deacon, you are referring to the High Priest, Jesus is our High Priest. I am referring to

[BIBLE]And the LORD spoke unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying,
Num 4:2 Take the sum of the sons of Kohath from among the sons of Levi, after their families, by the house of their fathers, Num 4:3 From thirty years old and upward even until fifty years old, all that enter into the host, to do the work in the tabernacle of the congregation. Num 4:4 This shall be the service of the sons of Kohath in the tabernacle of the congregation, about the most holy things:[/BIBLE]

Ok brother, I'll heed your point on one condition, show me in the NT, where the age to be priests, evangelists, prophets, pastors, elders, deacons, etc, is limited to anybody over age 30?

"And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues." -1 Cor, 12:28 (KJV)

" And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;" -Eph. 4:11 (KJV)

Now what does this have to do with the question of age in regards to Pastoring? And unless I'm mistaken, these gifts are from the Holy Spirit, and as such, they are given upon repentance and believing. Does the Holy Spirit give the gift of apostles, prophets, evengelists, pastors and teachers only when a person reaches the age of 30?

So a person who graduates high school at 17, enroles in seminary, gets his Masters at 25, and his Phd. at 27, or D. Min at 27, they aren't qualified to Pastor because they aren't at least 30?

Years ago, If a person felt the calling to preach, the church would watch and verify the calling. If it was verified they would liscense the person and sent them out. Plain and simple. Where was the age requirment then? That is something which has just recently came about and I'm 100% set against it.

In fact, if you read the qualifications for "bishop" there isn't even a requirment for calling:

"If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work." -1 Tim. 3:1 It says "if one desire the office of a bishop." The only thing I see for "bishops" is that they must be:

"A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil." -1 Tim 3:2-7

Where does it say they have to be 30?

The only requirment that I see is the one for deacons:

"And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless." -1 Tim. 3:10

I don't see anywhere where there is an age requirement here. Where does it say they have to be 30 here?

I have already gone into this in detail from the OT. And see no need to do that again. However I will remind you of two verses of Gods Word.

[BIBLE]#1. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
#2. Isa 28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken[/BIBLE].

My reason for this verse is to show you that the truth about a thing is not always in one place. Not the later end of this verse

NT. [BIBLE]1Ti 3:1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 1Ti 3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 1Ti 3:5For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God? 1Ti 3:6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.[this is the reason I think the Lord put the 30 yr. old age on it]
Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
Tit 1:1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
Tit 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
Tit 1:3 But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Savior;
Tit 1:4 To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Savior.
Tit 1:5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:
Tit 1:6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
Tit 1:7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not self-willed, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
Tit 1:8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
Tit 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.[/BIBLE]


Here is your proof of age. The word Elder in any language that I know of the definition is an aged man or Elder. Now we already showed that the sons of Kohath served till they were 50 yr. old. After that they were considered Elders. By the Apostles and Prophet, pattern, the Church is patterned after the Leviticus Priest hood and the meaning of the word Elder. We can arrive at the age of 50 to be an Elder. Now Titus connects two words together, Elder and Bishop. Elder being the man, while Bishop is the office. What does that tell us, that the Elders (all that qualify because the word is always plural) in a Church should be appointed to the office of Bishop? What else does that tells us, that this one man pastoral professional authority we have so much of these days is not biblical, never has been and never will be. Now if you take this verse as truth. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, you will see where the ages of 30 and 50 come from.

I know you may not be able to get it, but I wrote to Tony Cartledge, the editor of "The Biblicial Recorder" to express my displeasure at the qualifications that have been the tend lately concerning the hiring of Pastors. He personally wrote me back and said that letter was too long to publish, but if I would shorten it to 300 words, he would be glad to publish it. Look in "The Biblicial Recorder" and look at the ads that churches have asking for Pastors. It will break your heart. Here's the link:

http://www.biblicalrecorder.org/advertising/classifieds/index.shtml

One such ad read: Wanted, Senior Pastor for church in Triad Area. Congregation of 600, Sunday School of 350. Qualifications are: Phd. or D. Min from acredited Southern Baptist Seminary or equivelent in experience. 10 plus years in the ministry. To lead all phases of church worship. Send resumes to:

The ad no where asked for the calling placed on the person by the Lord. All that mattered was the "technical" qualifications. And that is the problem today. To many men in the pulpit with the education and not the calling from the Lord.

First: God does not call Pastors, He places men in the Church for that position, the Church should appoint the men to the office He has placed them there for, and I might add should be done according to scripture qulifications, which its not being done. There is not even a hint in scripture where God called one man to be a pastoral authority in a church. And please don’t come back with Timothy, he is an Apostle.

I have the calling, the church testified to it. I have been ordained a Deacon. I have been liscensed to preach, and have a small diploma, but because I don't met the "technical" qualifications (i.e., MA, Phd. D. Min.), I have been turned down for a Pastorate.

Brother I have a lot of respect for you, and don’t wont to be mean and cruel. And I am not going to be, all I am going to do is tell you what the Bible teaches. If what you have or think you have, is not according to scripture, it doesn’t matter what you think or how many degrees you have or how many years experience you have. Unless the Church has the authority to change God’s word, all you have is a calling from a Church that is going by the wrong qulifications.

I don't care how old the person is, if the calling is from the Lord, who are we to say you can't preach or evangelize, or Pastor until your 30.

If the calling is from the Lord, the Spirit is upon the person, and their preaching is Biblically sound, and then to say, You can't do any of that until your 30, isn't that awful close to:

I have already shown that it is not from God, unless He has respect of person and has different rules for some that goes against His word recorded in the Bible.

"Quench not the Spirit." -1 Thes. 5:19

By making statements like that, are you awful close of quenching the Spirit in that person?

I've seen it before. The Pastor at my church done the exact same thing to my Brother-In-Law, we attended seminary together. He feels the calling as I do. While he and I both know and ackonwledge that his divorces would make it hard for him to pastor, it isn't totally out of the question. But one night as my Brother-In-Law and I were tlking to the Pastor, the Pastor made the statement that he'd never be able to preach or Pastor since he had been divorced. Boy did the Pastor kill the Spirit in my Borther-In-Law.

I would say the ones that are going against scripture are quenching the spirit, for Jesus said “these words are Spirit” John 6:63
In matters like this it does not mater what you feel. I once felt the calling to preach, I started to trust in the Lord with all my heart and not lean to my own understanding (which is really, really, and really hard to do. When I finally got all my understanding and pre conceived ideas out of my head and heart, is when the Lord showed me the truth. I was teaching the adult Training Union Class at a Southern Baptist Church at the time we were getting close to the place of Spiritual Gifts. However what I was studying in the literature and the Bible were at odds with one another. This was really bothering me, I was praying and studying hard. On Monday night, I said Lord this is to hard for me; I am going to lay out the fleece. I said if what I am seeing is so and not my wild imagination, if this is the truth and not the Southern Baptist teaching show me in a way that I can not misunderstand.
Well on Saturday morning, I saw Jesus taken up in the heavens; He was standing there with his arms and hands stretched out and upward. His girt around the waist and loins was solid red from the blood dripping from it. The Colors were so sharp and beautiful; I was seeing in 3D, the light was such that there were no shadows, no hint of darkness any where. I could not see His face, neither did He speak; it was as throw He knew I knew to follow him when my time came. The last time I told this to a individual I was ask what did I do. My reply was that I taught what I knew Jesus was showing me. Then he said and now, my reply was, to anyone that would listen and to those that wouldn’t listen if the opportunity came my way.

Being divorced may disqualify one from Pastoring, but no where does it disqualify one from Evangelism or teaching.

I agree

Now you have your beliefs and I say God Bless you in your convictions. But I believe that if the calling is from God, and the Spirit gives the gift, it is wrong to stifle a person and tell them they can't exercise the God-given gift until they are 30.

I love ya brother, but I just don't see it the same way you do.

You have your beliefs, and I have mine. May the Lord bless you in yours.

God Bless

Till all are one.

Same here brother, however I don’t think its my coined belief, because it is well supported in scripture.

Love yaw brother MbiaJc

 

[JacobHall86]

I dont know when that last time I saw that many Scriptures linked together without contextual support.

 

[DeaconDean]

Deleted, it's just not worth it.

Since it would serve no purpose to continue.

You can rest assured, brother, I will not bother you nor will I post here again.

May God Bless you in your convictions.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[COD2009]

i think that jesus started preaching at the age of thirty because John was still making the way straight for Jesus.

 

[MbiaJc]

I dont know when that last time I saw that many Scriptures linked together without contextual support.

What part of don't post without scriptural back up, do you not understand?

 

[MbiaJc]

i think that jesus started preaching at the age of thirty because John was still making the way straight for Jesus.

Sonny it not your openion that counts, what counts is, what thus saith the Lord. The value of openions reached way below nothing, when everyone got one.

 

[JacobHall86]

What part of don't post without scriptural back up, do you not understand?

You dont post with Scriptural back up, just verses that you cherry pick and string together, that in context would have nothing at all to do with what you were saying.

 

[JacobHall86]

BTW, you are probably the most disrespectful person on this forum.

 

[eldermike]

It's a great question. A leader is one that has followers. A leader is not one that has only knowledge, the basic bottom line; a leader has followers. Even Jesus example is one that rejects the "lone ranger" Christian concept that is so present today. Jesus bagan his ministry with: "Follow me". In the culture of Jesus time, age 30 was the earilest possible time to start His ministry.

 

[PrincetonGuy]

What part of don't post without scriptural back up, do you not understand?

The Gospel According to Luke is not in the Old Testament, but it IS in the New Testament. It is found between the Gospel According to Mark and the Gospel According to John. Therefore it IS Scripture!

The Gospel According to Matthew is not in the Old Testament either, but it IS in the New Testament. It is found right before the Gospel According to Mark. Therefore it IS Scripture!

Luke 1:5. In the days of Herod, king of Judea, there was a priest named Zacharias, of the division of Abijah; and he had a wife from the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth.

Luke 1:26. Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city in Galilee called Nazareth,
27. to a virgin engaged to a man whose name was Joseph, of the descendants of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
28. And coming in, he said to her, "Greetings, favored one! The Lord is with you."
29. But she was very perplexed at this statement, and kept pondering what kind of salutation this was.
30. The angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary; for you have found favor with God.
31. "And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus.
32. "He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David;
33. and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end."
34. Mary said to the angel, "How can this be, since I am a virgin?"
35. The angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.
36. "And behold, even your relative Elizabeth has also conceived a son in her old age; and she who was called barren is now in her sixth month.

Matt.2:1. Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, magi from the east arrived in Jerusalem, saying,
2. "Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east and have come to worship Him."

Matt.2:14. So Joseph got up and took the Child and His mother while it was still night, and left for Egypt.
15. He remained there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfill what had been spoken by the Lord through the prophet: "OUT OF EGYPT I CALLED MY SON."
Herod Slaughters Babies
16. Then when Herod saw that he had been tricked by the magi, he became very enraged, and sent and slew all the male children who were in Bethlehem and all its vicinity, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had determined from the magi.

Matt.2:19. But when Herod died, behold, an angel of the Lord *appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, and said,
20. "Get up, take the Child and His mother, and go into the land of Israel; for those who sought the Child's life are dead."

Luke 3:1. Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, when Pontius Pilate was governor of Judea, and Herod was tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip was tetrarch of the region of Ituraea and Trachonitis, and Lysanias was tetrarch of Abilene,
2. in the high priesthood of Annas and Caiaphas, the word of God came to John, the son of Zacharias, in the wilderness.
3. And he came into all the district around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins;

Luke 3:15. Now while the people were in a state of expectation and all were wondering in their hearts about John, as to whether he was the Christ,
16. John answered and said to them all, "As for me, I baptize you with water; but One is coming who is mightier than I, and I am not fit to untie the thong of His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
17. "His winnowing fork is in His hand to thoroughly clear His threshing floor, and to gather the wheat into His barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."
18. So with many other exhortations he preached the gospel to the people.
19. But when Herod the tetrarch was reprimanded by him because of Herodias, his brother's wife, and because of all the wicked things which Herod had done,
20. Herod also added this to them all: he locked John up in prison.
21. Now when all the people were baptized, Jesus was also baptized, and while He was praying, heaven was opened,
22. and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, "You are My beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased."

The Herod, king of Judea, referred to by both Luke and Matthew was Herod, the son of Idumean Antipater, who was given the title "King of Judea" by the Roman Senate in 40 B.C. and who established himself in his reign in 37 B.C. (see Flavius Josephus’ Antiquities of the Jews 15.8,1 § 191). He died in 4 B.C. Therefore Jesus was born no later than 4 B.C. (Dionysius Exiguus gave us the wrong year of the Birth of Jesus and hence 2007 is really no earlier than 2011).

The fifteenth year of the reign Tiberius Caesar was from August or September of 28 A.D. to August or September 29 A.D. (For the establishment of these dates see Jack Finegan’s Handbook of Biblical Chronology, pp. 259-280 and H. W. Hoehner’s Chronological Aspects of the Life of Christ, pp. 29-44). Therefore John the Baptist began his ministry no earlier than August of 28 A.D. From 4 B.C. to 28 A.D. is 32 years. Therefore, assuming Luke and Matthew’s statements to have been correct, Jesus could not have been less than 32 years old when he began is public ministry.

Why did Jesus wait until he was at least 32 years old to begin His public ministry? Some contributors to this thread have given you their opinions and a whole lot of irrelevant baggage (such as a classified ad for a pastor!) along with them, but Luke has given us the correct answer in his gospel, and Luke’s data is substantiated by Matthew. Jesus had to wait until John had begun his ministry, and John did not begin his ministry until Jesus was at least 32 years old. Further confirmation of these facts is found in John 1:19-36.

(All Scripture quotations are from the Updated NASB, 1995)

 

[JacobHall86]

History and Scripture and Logic? He wont know what to do.

 

[JPPT1974]

It's a great question. A leader is one that has followers. A leader is not one that has only knowledge, the basic bottom line; a leader has followers. Even Jesus example is one that rejects the "lone ranger" Christian concept that is so present today. Jesus bagan his ministry with: "Follow me". In the culture of Jesus time, age 30 was the earilest possible time to start His ministry.

Jesus was born a leader as that
He learned from God as God said that
This is my one & only Begotten Son as
John the Baptist baptized Him into the
Jordan River.

 

[MbiaJc]

The Gospel According to Luke is not in the Old Testament, but it IS in the New Testament. It is found between the Gospel According to Mark and the Gospel According to John. Therefore it IS Scripture!

The Gospel According to Matthew is not in the Old Testament either, but it IS in the New Testament. It is found right before the Gospel According to Mark. Therefore it IS Scripture!

Luke 1:5. In the days of Herod, king of Judea, there was a priest named Zacharias, of the division of Abijah; and he had a wife from the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth.

Luke 1:26. Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city in Galilee called Nazareth,
27. to a virgin engaged to a man whose name was Joseph, of the descendants of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
28. And coming in, he said to her, "Greetings, favored one! The Lord is with you."
29. But she was very perplexed at this statement, and kept pondering what kind of salutation this was.
30. The angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary; for you have found favor with God.
31. "And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus.
32. "He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David;
33. and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end."
34. Mary said to the angel, "How can this be, since I am a virgin?"
35. The angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.
36. "And behold, even your relative Elizabeth has also conceived a son in her old age; and she who was called barren is now in her sixth month.

Matt.2:1. Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, magi from the east arrived in Jerusalem, saying,
2. "Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east and have come to worship Him."

Matt.2:14. So Joseph got up and took the Child and His mother while it was still night, and left for Egypt.
15. He remained there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfill what had been spoken by the Lord through the prophet: "OUT OF EGYPT I CALLED MY SON."
Herod Slaughters Babies
16. Then when Herod saw that he had been tricked by the magi, he became very enraged, and sent and slew all the male children who were in Bethlehem and all its vicinity, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had determined from the magi.

Matt.2:19. But when Herod died, behold, an angel of the Lord *appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, and said,
20. "Get up, take the Child and His mother, and go into the land of Israel; for those who sought the Child's life are dead."

Luke 3:1. Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, when Pontius Pilate was governor of Judea, and Herod was tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip was tetrarch of the region of Ituraea and Trachonitis, and Lysanias was tetrarch of Abilene,
2. in the high priesthood of Annas and Caiaphas, the word of God came to John, the son of Zacharias, in the wilderness.
3. And he came into all the district around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins;

Luke 3:15. Now while the people were in a state of expectation and all were wondering in their hearts about John, as to whether he was the Christ,
16. John answered and said to them all, "As for me, I baptize you with water; but One is coming who is mightier than I, and I am not fit to untie the thong of His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
17. "His winnowing fork is in His hand to thoroughly clear His threshing floor, and to gather the wheat into His barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."
18. So with many other exhortations he preached the gospel to the people.
19. But when Herod the tetrarch was reprimanded by him because of Herodias, his brother's wife, and because of all the wicked things which Herod had done,
20. Herod also added this to them all: he locked John up in prison.
21. Now when all the people were baptized, Jesus was also baptized, and while He was praying, heaven was opened,
22. and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, "You are My beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased."

The Herod, king of Judea, referred to by both Luke and Matthew was Herod, the son of Idumean Antipater, who was given the title "King of Judea" by the Roman Senate in 40 B.C. and who established himself in his reign in 37 B.C. (see Flavius Josephus’ Antiquities of the Jews 15.8,1 § 191). He died in 4 B.C. Therefore Jesus was born no later than 4 B.C. (Dionysius Exiguus gave us the wrong year of the Birth of Jesus and hence 2007 is really no earlier than 2011).

The fifteenth year of the reign Tiberius Caesar was from August or September of 28 A.D. to August or September 29 A.D. (For the establishment of these dates see Jack Finegan’s Handbook of Biblical Chronology, pp. 259-280 and H. W. Hoehner’s Chronological Aspects of the Life of Christ, pp. 29-44). Therefore John the Baptist began his ministry no earlier than August of 28 A.D. From 4 B.C. to 28 A.D. is 32 years. Therefore, assuming Luke and Matthew’s statements to have been correct, Jesus could not have been less than 32 years old when he began is public ministry.

Why did Jesus wait until he was at least 32 years old to begin His public ministry? Some contributors to this thread have given you their opinions and a whole lot of irrelevant baggage (such as a classified ad for a pastor!) along with them, but Luke has given us the correct answer in his gospel, and Luke’s data is substantiated by Matthew. Jesus had to wait until John had begun his ministry, and John did not begin his ministry until Jesus was at least 32 years old. Further confirmation of these facts is found in John 1:19-36.

(All Scripture quotations are from the Updated NASB, 1995)

Well PrincetonGuy at least you gave some scripture, however the thread was for JacobHall not you.
I do not agree with your dates however, one reason is because Jesus would have started His ministery at exactly 30 yr. old. Because of reasons I have already posted.
Also some think His intry into Jerouslam riding the colt fufilled the prophecy in Daniel to the verry day. Which would mean He had to be 33.5 yr old, I believe this also.
But thanks for posting brother.

 

[MbiaJc]

History and Scripture and Logic? He wont know what to do.

All you have done is cruise, without showing one fragment of proof, they taught you well at the School of The Sons Of The Prophets. I see more clearly why Jesus shunned those places.

 

[MbiaJc]

You dont post with Scriptural back up, just verses that you cherry pick and string together, that in context would have nothing at all to do with what you were saying.

You need to go back to your school, the day they studed the Bible you must been out ot asleep.

 

[JacobHall86]

Actually all you do is proof text and ignore context, so you shouldnt tell me about studying Scripture. Also, you ignore Scripture and Historical Documentation to hold onto a belief that has been proven incorrect. I would tell you to go back to school, but the lack of historical knowledge in your posts would indicate it would be the first time.

 

[PrincetonGuy]

Well PrincetonGuy at least you gave some scripture, however the thread was for JacobHall not you.
I do not agree with your dates however, one reason is because Jesus would have started His ministery at exactly 30 yr. old. Because of reasons I have already posted.
Also some think His intry into Jerouslam riding the colt fufilled the prophecy in Daniel to the verry day. Which would mean He had to be 33.5 yr old, I believe this also.
But thanks for posting brother.

If Jesus was only 30 years old “in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar (Luke 3:1),” Herod, the King of Judea, died at least two years before Jesus was born. Should we believe Matthew, Mark, and Luke who explicitly write that he was still alive and reigning as the King of Judea, or should we believe you?

 

[TwistTim]

Ok, I don't have time to read the whole thread, and I don't have time for a proper post, but I will say this much.... The Gospel of Luke is the only one to mention Jesus' Age and it says "Now Jesus was about 30 years of age when he begin his ministry" that about 30 means He could be anywhere from 27-35 while still being in that range of 30-something, tradition not the Scriptures say it was exactly 30, and if it was 32 as Princeton Guy says, or if it was 27 or even 33 when He Began is irrelevant compared to Who He was/is and what He Taught us and did. He showed us in the Sermon on the Mount how sinful we are, and condemns our sins, specifically the self-righteous religious zealots of the day.... and that He and He alone was the propitiation for our sins....

Some people like to get hung up on meaningless details, when they should focus on the bigger picture.... Focusing on Jesus age like this, is like looking at Da Vinci's Last Supper and analyzing only the Apostle John(supposedly a rival bishop) and Judas(supposedly Da Vinci) instead of seeing the whole picture for it's significance....