Questions

[Miracle Storm]

Hi, I have never been sure if I have believed in Creationism or evolution.
I have never done an in depth study of it, but my mind leans to either/or could be possible.

I would like to learn more on both sides of the beliefs and will post the same in TE.

My questions.
What is the strongest point individually that makes you all believe as you do?
If it is a fact a source would be wonderful. If it is theory tell me what it is based on.

Your help would be greatly appreciated. I am really interested in learning.

 

[Calminian]

Hi, I have never been sure if I have believed in Creationism or evolution.
I have never done an in depth study of it, but my mind leans to either/or could be possible.

I would like to learn more on both sides of the beliefs and will post the same in TE.

My questions.
What is the strongest point individually that makes you all believe as you do?
If it is a fact a source would be wonderful. If it is theory tell me what it is based on.

Your help would be greatly appreciated. I am really interested in learning.

Scripture reveals that God created the world and all it's inhabitants. If you are a believer in the the truth of the Bible, that's going to be the strongest evidence I can offer.

Ex. 20:9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: ..... 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

With that presupposition in place, all the physical evidence points to creation.

 

[ClearSky]

What is the strongest point individually that makes you all believe as you do?

The strongest point of course is the book Genesis in the Bible. From it you can derive the following facts:

a) Earth, sun, life and man was created at almost the same time, within 6 literal days.

b) From the genealogies in Genesis you can conclude that this happened about 6000 years ago.

c) The creation was not a natural but a supernatural process, which did not leave scientific evidence. That's the reason why science does not find clear evidence for the creation today, and assumes natural processes instead.

 

[mark kennedy]

Hi, I have never been sure if I have believed in Creationism or evolution.
I have never done an in depth study of it, but my mind leans to either/or could be possible.

Always refreshing to hear from someone with an open mind.

I would like to learn more on both sides of the beliefs and will post the same in TE.

My questions.
What is the strongest point individually that makes you all believe as you do?

For me it was comparative genomics in general and the size and complexity of the human brain in particular. If we had a common ancestor with apes, 2 million years ago they would have had brains about the same size as a modern chimpanzee.

If it is a fact a source would be wonderful. If it is theory tell me what it is based on.

This is a brief list and these publications are available free online if you would like the links.

What is the genetic basis for the threefold expansion of the human brain in 2 1/2 million years?(Human ASPM Gene, Genetics 2003) What is the genetic and evolutionary background of phenotypic traits that set humans apart from our closest evolutionary relatives, the chimpanzees?(Gene Expression Differences Between the Brain Regions, Genome Res. 2003) One of the problems with the evolutionary expansion of the human brain from that of an ape is the size, weight and complexity. The human brain would have had to triple in size, starting 2 1/2 million years ago and ending 200 to 400 thousand years ago. The brain weight would have had to grow by 250% while the body only grows by 20%. The average brain weight would have to go from 400-450g, 2 1/2 MY ago to 1350–1450 g 0.2–0.4 MY.

"It is generally believed that the brain expansion set the stage for the emergence of human language and other high-order cognitive functions and that it was caused by adaptive selection (DECAN 1992 ), yet the genetic basis of the expansion remains elusive."

Evolution of the Human ASPM Gene, a Major Determinant of Brain Size, Genetics, Vol. 165, 2063-2070, December 2003

Your help would be greatly appreciated. I am really interested in learning.

The differences in the DNA of humans as compared to chimpanzees are far greater then we have been told. That's a little more complicated but those are the two main reasons for me.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[FallingWaters]

Institute for Creation Research

Answers in Genesis

 

[FallingWaters]

I know that the majority of scientists in the world today believe in Evolution, and that evolutionary thought is everywhere - in books, schools, tv shows and commercials, radio - everywhere.

I used to think that evolution was definitely proven, that scientists had gone out into the world and definitely proven, to their horror, that there is no God. But that's not what I believe any more. I began to listen to the teachings of Christians and realized that there are many reasons why people today believe in evolution, but not because it's been proven. I began to learn that I don't have to believe that evolution is true. I can believe the Bible is true.

Christian scientists who question the establishment and those in authority, who start with different assumptions, namely that the Bible is true and that God exists, can come up with alternative explanations for the scientific evidence in the world today that can support the Biblical history of the world, instead of denying it. Christian scientists who try to publish their views that oppose evolution are not given the time of day. They are ridiculed and mocked. Anti-evolution points of view are not allowed in today's world. They have to find alternative ways of publishing their ideas.

A philosopher wrote this in 1937, and I believe it's always true about people in general:

"For, like so many of my contemporaries, I took it for granted that there was no meaning.... I had motives for not wanting the world to have a meaning; consequently assumed that it had none, and was able without any difficulty to find satisfying reasons for this assumption."

"Most ignorance is vincible ignorance. We don't know because we don't want to know. It is our will that decides how and upon what subjects we shall use our intelligence. Those who detect no meaning in the world generally do so because, for one reason or another, it suits their books that the world should be meaningless." [p. 311-312]"

Ends and Means: An Inquiry into the Nature of Ideals and into the Methods Employed for Their Realization by Aldous Huxley (Harper and Brothers Publishers, New York and London, 1937, fifth edition).

Science for the most part is here to explain a world without God, since no scientific experiment can prove there is a God. Not only that, but I believe scientists "take for granted" a lot more than they admit to. I believe scientists today "take for granted" evolution is true, rather than having actually seen or experienced it for themselves. In my opinion, many people promote evolution because that's what they were told is fact. They "know" it's true. Even though their own scientific testing or research disproves evolution, they just keep promoting it anyway. It's like a zombie that you can't kill. It has a life of its own.

There is a good reason why people don't want to believe there is a God, because if they believe there is a God, then they have to admit they will be held accountable to Him at the end of the world. And if they believe that, they can't freely sin without guilt or condemnation.

(2Co 5:10 ESV) For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.

 

[Miracle Storm]

Scripture reveals that God created the world and all it's inhabitants. If you are a believer in the the truth of the Bible, that's going to be the strongest evidence I can offer.

Ex. 20:9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: ..... 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

With that presupposition in place, all the physical evidence points to creation.

The strongest point of course is the book Genesis in the Bible. From it you can derive the following facts:

a) Earth, sun, life and man was created at almost the same time, within 6 literal days.

b) From the genealogies in Genesis you can conclude that this happened about 6000 years ago.

c) The creation was not a natural but a supernatural process, which did not leave scientific evidence. That's the reason why science does not find clear evidence for the creation today, and assumes natural processes instead.

I believe the Bible, I believe it is the inerrant Word of God. But this confounds me on this subject.
2Peter3:But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.
We can also find this in Psalms. I believe time is a concept/rule if you will that was created for us, just as gravity would be..I don't believe God is bound by these "rules"
So my question is what makes you sure that a day was literally meant as a day? Could it have just been figuratively...?

Always refreshing to hear from someone with an open mind.






For me it was comparative genomics in general and the size and complexity of the human brain in particular. If we had a common ancestor with apes, 2 million years ago they would have had brains about the same size as a modern chimpanzee.

This is a brief list and these publications are available free online if you would like the links.

What is the genetic basis for the threefold expansion of the human brain in 2 1/2 million years?(Human ASPM Gene, Genetics 2003) What is the genetic and evolutionary background of phenotypic traits that set humans apart from our closest evolutionary relatives, the chimpanzees?(Gene Expression Differences Between the Brain Regions, Genome Res. 2003) One of the problems with the evolutionary expansion of the human brain from that of an ape is the size, weight and complexity. The human brain would have had to triple in size, starting 2 1/2 million years ago and ending 200 to 400 thousand years ago. The brain weight would have had to grow by 250% while the body only grows by 20%. The average brain weight would have to go from 400-450g, 2 1/2 MY ago to 1350–1450 g 0.2–0.4 MY.

"It is generally believed that the brain expansion set the stage for the emergence of human language and other high-order cognitive functions and that it was caused by adaptive selection (DECAN 1992 ), yet the genetic basis of the expansion remains elusive."

Evolution of the Human ASPM Gene, a Major Determinant of Brain Size, Genetics, Vol. 165, 2063-2070, December 2003



The differences in the DNA of humans as compared to chimpanzees are far greater then we have been told. That's a little more complicated but those are the two main reasons for me.

Grace and peace,
Mark

I totally agree with you here.
Portions of evolution are easy for me to believe. BUT when it comes to Adam and Eve...The Bible is clear that God created Adam from the dust and breathed life into him...
To me I can't seperate that, because I know Adam brought sin and death into the world and Christ brought life.
But what convinces you that all of it was literal days? Is there anything else?

 

[Miracle Storm]

I know that the majority of scientists in the world today believe in Evolution, and that evolutionary thought is everywhere - in books, schools, tv shows and commercials, radio - everywhere.

I used to think that evolution was definitely proven, that scientists had gone out into the world and definitely proven, to their horror, that there is no God. But that's not what I believe any more. I began to listen to the teachings of Christians and realized that there are many reasons why people today believe in evolution, but not because it's been proven. I began to learn that I don't have to believe that evolution is true. I can believe the Bible is true.

Christian scientists who question the establishment and those in authority, who start with different assumptions, namely that the Bible is true and that God exists, can come up with alternative explanations for the scientific evidence in the world today that can support the Biblical history of the world, instead of denying it. Christian scientists who try to publish their views that oppose evolution are not given the time of day. They are ridiculed and mocked. Anti-evolution points of view are not allowed in today's world. They have to find alternative ways of publishing their ideas.

A philosopher wrote this in 1937, and I believe it's always true about people in general:

"For, like so many of my contemporaries, I took it for granted that there was no meaning.... I had motives for not wanting the world to have a meaning; consequently assumed that it had none, and was able without any difficulty to find satisfying reasons for this assumption."

"Most ignorance is vincible ignorance. We don't know because we don't want to know. It is our will that decides how and upon what subjects we shall use our intelligence. Those who detect no meaning in the world generally do so because, for one reason or another, it suits their books that the world should be meaningless." [p. 311-312]"

Ends and Means: An Inquiry into the Nature of Ideals and into the Methods Employed for Their Realization by Aldous Huxley (Harper and Brothers Publishers, New York and London, 1937, fifth edition).

Science for the most part is here to explain a world without God, since no scientific experiment can prove there is a God. Not only that, but I believe scientists "take for granted" a lot more than they admit to. I believe scientists today "take for granted" evolution is true, rather than having actually seen or experienced it for themselves. In my opinion, many people promote evolution because that's what they were told is fact. They "know" it's true. Even though their own scientific testing or research disproves evolution, they just keep promoting it anyway. It's like a zombie that you can't kill. It has a life of its own.

There is a good reason why people don't want to believe there is a God, because if they believe there is a God, then they have to admit they will be held accountable to Him at the end of the world. And if they believe that, they can't freely sin without guilt or condemnation.

(2Co 5:10 ESV) For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.

Okay, well first I am Christian.
What about evolution goes against the Word of God? I have yet to see it...
Can one believe that part of evolution is true and part of creationism is true? Such as people evolving from a monkey, I reject that totally because the Bible is clear on this. So with that it seems my beliefs would contradict evolutionism, but if I believe it could be more than a literal 6 days It would seem my beliefs contradict YEC? Where does that put me?

 

[FallingWaters]

Why shouldn’t Christians accept millions of years?

 

[FallingWaters]

I believe the Bible, I believe it is the inerrant Word of God. But this confounds me on this subject.
2Peter3:But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.
We can also find this in Psalms. I believe time is a concept/rule if you will that was created for us, just as gravity would be..I don't believe God is bound by these "rules"
So my question is what makes you sure that a day was literally meant as a day? Could it have just been figuratively...?
...

Mind if I respond to this?

The Hebrew word for "day" in Genesis is Yom. Yom appears about 900 times in the Old Testament. Whenever it is accompanied with a number, it ALWAYS means an ordinary 24 hour period of time.

In Genesis, the writer went out of his way to make sure we understood that he was referring to an ordinary 24 hour period because he not only used a number to describe Yom, but also added the descriptor: evening and morning, in addition to the word Yom.

Hebrew scholars who don't even believe in YEC will concede that the author of Genesis certainly intended to convey the meaning that the days were ordinary 24 hour periods of time.

As Calminian already pointed out, it is made crystal clear in Exodus:
"(Exo 20:11 ESV) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy."

 

[Calminian]

I believe the Bible, I believe it is the inerrant Word of God. But this confounds me on this subject.
2Peter3:But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

Well, let's start with this verse and then we'll move to Genesis 1 to see if this was meant literally by the author. The context of this passage was patience on God's part in regard to God's patience. Peter explains,

2Pet. 3:8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

God is eternal and transcends time. Your life to God, is like a vapor. And when you enter into eternity, it'll seem like a vapor to you. In fact the statement cancels itself out by saying to not only is a thousand years like a day to God, but a day is like a thousand years to God. Peter is explaining that God does not experience time like we do. God created time and can work within it or outside of it. What it doesn't mean, but many try to make it mean, is that any time God talks about a day He really means a thousand years or long period of time. This is most certainly not what Peter was conveying.

Now, regarding the hebrew word for day. Can "day" mean anything else than a period containing an evening and morning. Sure it can! Context is everything. The same is true in english. Here's an example.

Back in my grandfather's day, he used to walk to school every day, and sometime didn't get home before the day ended.

There's 3 uses of the same word in the same sentence all with different meanings. The fist is talking about the grandfather's younger years, the second is a 24 hr. period, the third is the sunlight portion of the day. But you already knew that. How? Context makes it clear.

So, let's look at Gen. 1 and Ex. 20. When describing the meaning of days, God says they included a evening (end of the lighted portion of the day) and a morning (end of the night portion of the day). That's pretty clear. Then Moses confirms this interpretation by citing the creation week in establishing the jewish work week.

Ex. 20:9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: ..... 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Here God, through Moses, uses a frame of reference for understanding the meaning of "day." He explains that we are to work six literal days and then rest a literal day. And then He gives the foundational reason. Because He did the same in creating the world. Being more clear than that would be impossible.

Now I realize that this goes against naturalistic views of our the world came to be. But God is not conformed to naturalism either. He a God of miracles and I believe our origins to be a miraculous, not a natural event.

Here's an article that you might appreciate. Methods of the Creator

 

[Gamezilla]

Hi, I have never been sure if I have believed in Creationism or evolution.
I have never done an in depth study of it, but my mind leans to either/or could be possible.

I would like to learn more on both sides of the beliefs and will post the same in TE.

My questions.
What is the strongest point individually that makes you all believe as you do?
If it is a fact a source would be wonderful. If it is theory tell me what it is based on.

Your help would be greatly appreciated. I am really interested in learning.

Genesis tells you all you need to know. It is the story of how God created this universe. Many non-religious people do not take this seriously, because....well....their non-religious. I really never debate this with non-religious people because it is truly a matter of faith. I believe in God and I believe in His word. Most people wonder how I could possibly believe this way. I'm going to be honest, it's very hard to at times, but if you read the Bible, then you know that God works in very mysterious ways. Just look around you. Look out your door. Look at this beautiful world. I know it sounds cheesy, but seriously. Do you really think something just exploded and came up with all of this? Do some research on our galaxy and universe and you'll realize that it is utterly incredible. Big Bang Theorist believe that everything was once dark, but then "BOOM!" everything came into existence. The debris cluttered together and created stars and our planet. Seriously, can you truly believe that this really happened? That we just poofed here out of nowhere? I honestly wonder why these people reject God and believe in this, because it's just as much of an imaginative happening as they claim God's existence is. It is proven that nothing can come from nothing. Everything needs a creator. That computer that your using wouldn't be your computer if someone didn't manufacture it. Nor would it work if the parts that are used in it weren't crafted and placed inside of it. All of this leads back to a creator of some sort. That is why I believe in Creationism. I am a Christian and I believe in the Bible, but these things also really convince me of Creationism.

 

[Miracle Storm]

Genesis tells you all you need to know. It is the story of how God created this universe. Many non-religious people do not take this seriously, because....well....their non-religious. I really never debate this with non-religious people because it is truly a matter of faith. I believe in God and I believe in His word. Most people wonder how I could possibly believe this way. I'm going to be honest, it's very hard to at times, but if you read the Bible, then you know that God works in very mysterious ways. Just look around you. Look out your door. Look at this beautiful world. I know it sounds cheesy, but seriously. Do you really think something just exploded and came up with all of this? Do some research on our galaxy and universe and you'll realize that it is utterly incredible. Big Bang Theorist believe that everything was once dark, but then "BOOM!" everything came into existence. The debris cluttered together and created stars and our planet. Seriously, can you truly believe that this really happened? That we just poofed here out of nowhere? I honestly wonder why these people reject God and believe in this, because it's just as much of an imaginative happening as they claim God's existence is. It is proven that nothing can come from nothing. Everything needs a creator. That computer that your using wouldn't be your computer if someone didn't manufacture it. Nor would it work if the parts that are used in it weren't crafted and placed inside of it. All of this leads back to a creator of some sort. That is why I believe in Creationism. I am a Christian and I believe in the Bible, but these things also really convince me of Creationism.

It seems as though everytime someone thinks of evolution they think of someone that doesn't believe in God...atleast that is the way I am reading the posts. I know there are many Christians that believe in evolution, but they believe God set everything into motion the way He wanted it...

But now I am really confused.

If the Scriptures are really distinct in the original language that there was morning and there was evening on the first day...and it literally means 24 hours..I would not dispute that. Can someone show me that it means 24 hours each of the seven "days"
Make it easy for me to understand to, because sometimes I get confused easy.

Question, has there been any new species that science has watched develop? As far as I know that would be a no, so how is that explained by evolutionists?
It seems God made everything He wanted made and is not making more...except maybe mutations of virus and such, but I don't give God credit for illness rather that is from sin that we brought into the world..

The more I learn about evolution, the more it is becoming a hard pill to swallow.
But then there is some evidence, not that I"m saying this evidence is correct, that the world is older than 6000 years that someone showed me in the other thread..
Such as I learned in elementry school how you can tell how old a tree is, by the number of it's rings, right?
Well how does creationist explain a tree that may read like it is 10,000 years old?

I don't mean to be a pest I'm just trying to figure out exactly what is true to the best of my understanding. I believe the Bible to be totally true and correct..

For some reason it is on my heart to really understand this and I need your alls help to do it.
I will be praying as well.

and by the way I thank you.

 

[Gamezilla]

It seems as though everytime someone thinks of evolution they think of someone that doesn't believe in God...atleast that is the way I am reading the posts. I know there are many Christians that believe in evolution, but they believe God set everything into motion the way He wanted it...

But now I am really confused.

If the Scriptures are really distinct in the original language that there was morning and there was evening on the first day...and it literally means 24 hours..I would not dispute that. Can someone show me that it means 24 hours each of the seven "days"
Make it easy for me to understand to, because sometimes I get confused easy.

Question, has there been any new species that science has watched develop? As far as I know that would be a no, so how is that explained by evolutionists?
It seems God made everything He wanted made and is not making more...except maybe mutations of virus and such, but I don't give God credit for illness rather that is from sin that we brought into the world..

The more I learn about evolution, the more it is becoming a hard pill to swallow.
But then there is some evidence, not that I"m saying this evidence is correct, that the world is older than 6000 years that someone showed me in the other thread..
Such as I learned in elementry school how you can tell how old a tree is, by the number of it's rings, right?
Well how does creationist explain a tree that may read like it is 10,000 years old?

I don't mean to be a pest I'm just trying to figure out exactly what is true to the best of my understanding. I believe the Bible to be totally true and correct..

For some reason it is on my heart to really understand this and I need your alls help to do it.
I will be praying as well.

and by the way I thank you.

Do not worry, you are not being a pest. You are like any other Christian. Humans have a strange knack for wanting to know our origins. We don't just want to know a little, however, we want to know every single detail. There will always be a struggle to understand these things, but so many of the things they are trying to prove now, in my eyes, can never be proven. Take The Big Bang Theory for instance. I have discussed this with many people who believe in this theory and they have agreed that it will certainly be a very hard, maybe impossible, thing to prove. So how do we know God is real and can He be proven? There is no scientist that can prove the existence of God, so most of the time they tend to dismiss Him and look to something more complicated that they will probably never prove. Evolution is a big stretch and has never made much sense to me at all. There are some very huge gaps in Evolution that make it very hard to believe. Here is one very huge gap: If we evolved from monkeys then why aren't monkeys still evolving into human beings? Why aren't we still seeing dramatic changes in our form? This is a very common question and still stumps scientists. Anyways, I know I've ranted on for a while now. As for question you asked about the literal hours for the days that God created the earth, this article should help you:

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i1/days.asp

 

[ClearSky]

I used to think that evolution was definitely proven, that scientists had gone out into the world and definitely proven, to their horror, that there is no God. But that's not what I believe any more.

And rightfully so, because whoever told you this has not understood science or evolution.

Evolution is a scientific theory and as such can never be proven. Scientific theories describe nature and only have a probability, but not proof. So you can say "our observations support evolution" but you can not say "evolution is proven".

This is even more true for God. No scientist has ever proven to his horror that their is no God. Scientists can only say "our observations support that life developed by natural processes" but not "there is no God".

 

[ClearSky]

If the Scriptures are really distinct in the original language that there was morning and there was evening on the first day...and it literally means 24 hours..I would not dispute that. Can someone show me that it means 24 hours each of the seven "days" Make it easy for me to understand to, because sometimes I get confused easy.

Scripture attributes a morning and an evening to every single of the six days. I am no friend of arguing linguistically what "yom" means, but the morning / evening attribute is very convincing for me that a single, 24 hours day is meant.

There are other arguments that support a short time period, such as God's omnipotence. He would not need billions of years for creating earth or life.

Question, has there been any new species that science has watched develop? As far as I know that would be a no, so how is that explained by evolutionists?

Species, yes; genus, no. Evolutionists explain this with the long time period (hundred thousands and millions of years) required for evolution. Even dogs needed many thousand years despite they had high selection pressure and are still genetically almost 100% identical to wolves.

But then there is some evidence, not that I"m saying this evidence is correct, that the world is older than 6000 years that someone showed me in the other thread..
Such as I learned in elementry school how you can tell how old a tree is, by the number of it's rings, right?
Well how does creationist explain a tree that may read like it is 10,000 years old?

Had the trees that God planted in the garden Eden tree rings or not? You can bet that they had tree rings, as God didn't plant seeds but full grown trees. Not only in the garden but everywhere on earth. There, you got your rings.

God made a world that already looked old, not only for a superficial look but even for a detailed scientific examination. That's why scientists think the earth exists since 4.6 billion years. They have to think so because their observations tell them so, but that doesn't mean it is true.

 

[busterdog]

The scripture applied literally is medicine for man. As wisdom for living, it is just blessing and better life, not harshness. As a solution for disease and injury, it works. As a message of salvation, nothing else fits the mind and heart of man like Jesus to save. Man is too stupid for anything else, actually. Think about the confession of faith and why man does so little and God so much to make that possible.

Why should creation be taken any differently? If God can overcome expectation to heal and raise the dead, why should we expect that he cannot overcome the limitations of modern science to create?

If one takes all the modern critical methods that lead to "debunking" Jesus as God incarnate and a man who rose from the dead, there is as strong correspondence between what these methods dictate for our view of Jesus and our view of creation. The same principals make Jesus inspired perhaps, but full of error, not God and not risen from the dead.

This same Jesus is the "Word." If God can incarnate as the Word, what would one expect of the Words of Genesis? Particularly where Jesus endorses specifically that Adam was a man and that at the beginning of creation, God made male and female humans, not ameobas.

If any principle has the ability to attack the person of Jesus as the incarnation of God risen from the dead, then one must test it for inconsistency on its own terms. That is the thing about human principles. There is always internal inconsistency. The Word, unlike anything else yields consistency consistently.

Testing the principles of modern man against man's own principles, we find enormous holes in the process of reason. Neither random mutation nor any known process of mutation can solve the problem of creation in 2 billion years, nor in 20. It is statistically absurd. Geology is full of so many errors and anomalies -- single trees that extend through "millions" of years of strata. The process of putting dates to these strata is full of embarrasingly absurd error.

The creation of the universe arises from an enormously unlikely event as a Big Bang. So why would 10 to the 60th such events in six days be less likely than one event starting on 1 day and extending for 15 billion years? Statistically its not less likely. Nobel prize winning physicists put the odds on a successful Big Bang at 1 in 10 to the 120th power. Some estimates are that there are 10 to the 60th atoms in the universe. So, why is biblical creation less likely? It isn't. A likelihood of 1 in 10 to the 50th is defined as statistical absurdity -- it is practically meaningless. Now compare the number of atoms in the universe to the odds that the Big Bang would actually succeed in creating stars and life. The latter number is larger by a factor that is statistically absurd. Could God have created all those particles more or less where they are all at once? That would be just as "easy" or likely as setting off one big bang on one day and taking 15 billion years to finish it.

Further, all of creation is full of anomalies. Between here and the nearest galaxies are trillions upon trillions of virtual particles or areas that share some properties with the Big Bang: we can't look behind them and their potential energy or dynamic force is essentially infinite -- for all we know. In other words, most of what exists is known to be beyond our knowledge by the definitions of science itself. Could God have worked through those things in six days? You bet, for all we know.

This is all man's science evaluated on its own terms.

For all we know. That is the key. Because we don't. Thus, the Word of God.

 

[FallingWaters]

Brilliant. And beautiful.

 

[JosephThePoet]

God – The Creator of Time

The Genesis seven day creation may not be simply 1000 of our years equal a day for God, as most bible scholars believe, but a timed schedule of God’s actions. God, the creator of time, is not limited by time as we are so could move feely through it for His day’s work, that could be over as many time period locations as He so chooses for that day of work. A thousand year timed day could be the actual working time He spent in the many different eons doing His work.

 

[FallingWaters]

The point of Peter's thought is that God is not limited by time. Since He is eternal, time looks different to Him than it does to us. Peter's comment does not refer to Creation week, especially because of Exodus 20 that tells us God wants us to work 6 days and rest 1 day, in imitation of Him during Creation week.

It is wisest to take into consideration the whole counsel of God, not just bits and pieces.