- Apr 5, 2007
- 144,404
- 27,057
- 57
- Country
- United States
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Reformed
- Marital Status
- Married
Upvote
0
Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.
Then your post makes no sense.There is no general drop dead time, it would be different for every individual who goes to hell.
God is the only one who would know when an individual reached the point, when nothing more can be done for that individual that would cuase them to humbly accept His charity, so they are definitely lost forever, yet they are still alive and can be used by God to help others.Then your post makes no sense.
From the "context" it is the unwillingness of those in Jerusalem which Kept Christ from helping them.He didn’t say that he couldn’t. He said that what He was willing to do, the Pharisees were not willing to do. You have to look at the context.
The verse wasn’t about individuals. So try againGod is the only one who would know when an individual reached the point, when nothing more can be done for that individual that would cuase them to humbly accept His charity, so they are definitely lost forever, yet they are still alive and can be used by God to help others.
Not what it says. Let’s take a look.From the "context" it is the unwillingness of those in Jerusalem which Kept Christ from helping them.
What verse are you talking about?The verse wasn’t about individuals. So try again
The one that started us down this trail.What verse are you talking about?
We are talking about God's sovereignty.
"Jerusalem" did not kill and stone the prophets, but the Children of Jerusalem did.Not what it says. Let’s take a look.
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.
— Matthew 23:37
For your view to be right, it would have to say this.
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your childrentogether, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.
— Matthew 23:37
So the “you were unwilling” would refer back to the “you”. However, he says He wanted to gather “your children”. Their unwillingness, as you see it (if we left the verse intact) would be causing the children to not come. And that doesn’t make sense, either.
However, if we take it as it is, and see that Jesus was willing to do something that they were not willing to do, which fits the context of the “woes”, then it makes sense. And the next verse just confirms it.
Behold, your house is being left to you desolate!
— Matthew 23:38
For all of their rejection of Christ, their house (the temple) is left desolate. Which did happen in 70AD.
And all I am saying is God can take free will ability away from individuals (philistines and/or Arabs), who no longer need free will, because nothing more can be done for them, to accept God's charity as charity.The one that started us down this trail.
Then the Lord stirred up against Jehoram the spirit of the Philistines and the Arabs who bordered the Ethiopians;
— 2 Chronicles 21:16
This reminds me of a close friend who, from time to time, says that she is losing her mind. I tell her that I don't have that problem. You can't lose what you never had.And all I am saying is God can take free will ability away from individuals (philistines and/or Arabs), who no longer need free will, because nothing more can be done for them, to accept God's charity as charity.
He doesn’t say. He’s saying that the Pharisees don’t what to do what He wants to do."Jerusalem" did not kill and stone the prophets, but the Children of Jerusalem did.
Jesus is saying he wants to protect and preserve (save) the Jewish people in Jerusalem (Jerusalem's children).
Who or what is keeping Jesus from saving the children of Jerusalem?
At what age? This was a whole people group.And all I am saying is God can take free will ability away from individuals (philistines and/or Arabs), who no longer need free will, because nothing more can be done for them, to accept God's charity as charity.
Do you think we are all mindless "robots"?This reminds me of a close friend who, from time to time, says that she is losing her mind. I tell her that I don't have that problem. You can't lose what you never had.
Ae the Pharisees than not keeping Him from doing what He wants to do?He doesn’t say. He’s saying that the Pharisees don’t what to do what He wants to do.
Leaders lead the people into doing bad stuff and God can totally control a leader who will not fulfill his original objective, but at what time the leaders reach the point of nothing more can be done to help them to repent is different for every person. The evil mental spirit can go out to a nation, but does not have to go out to every individual, since the leaders will be leading them.At what age? This was a whole people group.
In a very real sense, human intelligence, even at its very best, is limited. We are not even remotely as smart and clever as we would like to think we are.Do you think we are all mindless "robots"?
My little children did not know much at birth, but they were not robots.In a very real sense, human intelligence, even at its very best, is limited. We are not even remotely as smart and clever as we would like to think we are.
Neither was my cat.My little children did not know much at birth, but they were not robots.
I do not think your cat has free will but is strictly reacting instinctively and limited by its environment.Neither was my cat.
Nevertheless, my cat is no more or less a robot than I am.I do not think your cat has free will but is strictly reacting instinctively and limited by its environment.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?