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Questions for Sabbath practitioners

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Amen. New Covenant.

New = Refreshed; Renewed

JLB

As we see in Jeremiah 31 -- Its the only covenant that provide
1. forgiveness
2. Adoption into the family of God
3. A new heart - new birth - mind and heart in harmony with God's Law

IT is the one and only "Gospel" covenant of Gal 1:6-9... and was preached to Abraham Gal 3:8
 
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Agreed.

Most don't
 
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That below is what true, strict & thorough Sabbath keepers would do during biblical times

Numbers 15:32-36

New King James Version

Penalty for Violating the Sabbath​

32 Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. 34 They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.
35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died.
 
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The answer is found in the book of Daniel, in conjunction with the 70 week prophecy.

Daniel 7:25-27​



Regarding not going anywhere on the Sabbath, let's look at scripture.

Not doing your own pleasure.

Isaiah 58:13-14​


I stay home on most Sabbaths (church attendance aside, of course). I do sometimes spend time in nature (which is communion with God) on the Sabbath, which may require a short drive to get to my destination.


Again, it's a holy day. We are to keep it holy by focusing our attention completely on God, His word and His work.
Cool. Good.
 
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May God bless you as you seek Him through His Word.
Long exegesis and good, helpful...
 
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The sabbath keepers of today seem to pick & choose what they should follow.

If we choose to burden ourselves with these sabbath practices, then we better make sure, we will be able to follow each & everything as it is in the bible.
 
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The sabbath keepers of today seem to pick & choose what they should follow.

If we choose to burden ourselves with these sabbath practices, then we better make sure, we will be able to follow each & everything as it is in the bible.
Or keep it simple:
Follow Jesus.
 
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True Israelites can be found in Countries like Israel & the like. We can start from there, if we're wanting to find what they really look like in the flesh.

I can assure you though that, even the descendants of Jacob in the flesh will be in for a huge surprise in times to come.
 
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Laws related to penal codes under a legitimate Theocracy such as was in place under Moses - are not always applicable outside of a theocracy. Laws against Sabbath breaking are a good example of laws not applicable outside of a legitimate theocracy.

The same is true for several of the TEN commandments such as "do not take God's name in vain". Not being subject to the death penalty outside of a legitimate theocracy
 
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Yet in any country,
where there is a faithful assembly of Jesus' disciples,
if any one of them continues after warnings to sin and does not repent,
what is the action to take according to Yahweh's Instructions ?
 
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The sabbath keepers of today seem to pick & choose what they should follow.
The ones you either have seen, or know, or read about ?
Have you looked for, sought for, prayed for Yahweh to bring to you
the 'sabbath keepers' who are faithful followers abiding in Yahshua (Jesus) ?
 
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Yet in any country,
where there is a faithful assembly of Jesus' disciples,
if any one of them continues after warnings to sin and does not repent,
what is the action to take according to Yahweh's Instructions ?
No statements in the Bible require other nations to have the death penalty for Sabbath breaking or for taking God's name in vain.

By contrast - in Lev 18 you see an interesting list of sins/crimes for which God says He will hold ANY and ALL nations accountable for even if they have no Bible at all. It is interesting that Sabbath breaking , and Taking God's name in vain are not in that list. Just as coveting is not in the list of sins that will get a civil penalty applied in the land of Israel in the OT under a legitimate Theocracy.

It does not mean it is not a sin - just that civil penalties would not apply.
 
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The sabbath keepers of today seem to pick & choose what they should follow.

If we choose to burden ourselves with these sabbath practices, then we better make sure, we will be able to follow each & everything as it is in the bible.
Well it is true that some are very focus on a Biblical walk in Christ for the Christian faith and we test all doctrine and practice "sola scriptura".
It is also true that others object to such practices.

But as for the "pick and choose" -- false accusation - maybe your accusation would be helped if you actually gave some evidence, some detail, some explanation for it.
 
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yep -- that is how things worked under a legitimate theocracy. Yet the TEN are still included in the moral law of God as even these Sunday sources admit

[*]The Baptist Confession of Faith section 19
[*]The Westminster Confession of Faith section 19
[*]Voddie Baucham
[*]C.H. Spurgeon
[*]D.L. Moody
[*]Dies Domini by Pope John Paul II
[*]D. James Kennedy
[*]R.C. Sproul
[*]many others as well..
 
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Israelites, will not enter heaven because of their bloodline, that's for sure.

Any Israelite longing to see heaven must follow rules & join the queue. There aren't going to be special privileges for them because they are descendants of Jacob, unfortunately.

We accept Jesus as our Lord & personal saviour and live according to God's word in this new dispensation of grace, if we are to see heaven.

Even Mary the Mother of Jesus, is not exempt. If she ended up dying without receiving her own biological son Jesus as her Lord & personal saviour, she will not see heaven either, but if she believed in her son Jesus, she will make it to heaven. PERIOD!!!!!!
 
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Israelites, will not enter heaven because of their bloodline, that's for sure.
Amen , as Romans 2 points out clearly.
Any Israelite longing to see heaven must follow rules & join the queue.
Yes! very true.
There aren't going to be special privileges for them because they are descendants of Jacob, unfortunately.

We accept Jesus as our Lord & personal saviour and live according to God's word
Amen
Even Mary the Mother of Jesus, is not exempt. If she ended up dying without receiving her own biological son Jesus as her Lord & personal saviour,
Amen
she will not see heaven either, but if she believed in her son Jesus, she will make it to heaven. PERIOD!!!!!!

true.


The New Covenant - for Israel and the house of Judah Heb 8:

7. “Behold, days are coming, says the Lord,
When I will bring about a new covenant
With the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
9 Not like the covenant which I made with their fathers
On the day I took them by the hand
To bring them out of the land of Egypt;
For they did not continue in My covenant,
And I did not care about them, says the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel
After those days, declares the Lord:
I will put My laws into their minds,
And write them on their hearts.
And I will be their God,
And they shall be My people.
11 And they will not teach, each one his fellow citizen,
And each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’
For they will all know Me,
From the least to the greatest of them.
12 For I will be merciful toward their wrongdoings,
And their sins I will no longer remember.

As Romans 2 reminds us ;
25 For indeed circumcision is of value if you practice the Law; but if you are a violator of the Law, your circumcision has turned into uncircumcision. 26 So if the uncircumcised man keeps the requirements of the Law, will his uncircumcision not be regarded as circumcision? 27 And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a violator of the Law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from people, but from God.
 
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I still cannot work out why we pray to Mary though. The woman passed on a lvery ong time ago and she is in the queue waiting just like all the others who have passed on.....

Everyone is going to stand before the Great Judge some day. Each & every man shall stand & present that which they have.

Now, if we fed ourselves with the wrong word, tough! It will then mean, Christ shall not be able to stand on our behalf. We shall have to explain how & why we believed in twisted doctrines.

I wonder what strategy we will use to escape God's wrath on that day.....
 
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True there brother.

Circumcision, should be spiritual in this dispensation Anyone looking to get physically circumcised, should do this purely for other reasons e.g hygienic purposes & medical reasons etc. But never deceive yourself into thinking that you're following biblical rituals & practices of the law.
 
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In fact there is no OT or NT command for gentiles to be circumcised in order to be saved.

As you point out - there are good health benefits for it - but it is not a step of salvation.
 
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