Questions for Hindus

[bless_sins]

Salam,

They're welcome to run off to a Muslim country or drown themselves in the Arabian Sea if they want to. Nobody's forcing them to stay. But Noooooooo, they want to stay in India, consume all the resources and then blame India for everything !.

I could say the same about Kashmiri Pandits: They're welcome to jump off of the Himalayas, or move to another state of India. Nobody's forcing them to stay. But Noooooooo, they want to stay in Muslim Kashmir.

I would be just as wrong to say this as you are about Muslims.
Every people (Muslims and Kashmiri Pandits) has the right to stay in their land, and if they have the majoirty, they may exercise independence.

And how exaclty are Muslims consuming all the resources? They only have what they rightfully own....unless you too believe that Muslims are criminals and Hindus are the good guys.

So that's another reasons for Muslim terrorists to attack India? Man you guys have such lame notions .

When did I offer any justification to terrorist acts??

That is not even a reason. That is an EXAMPLE (if you know the difference). The reason was that Muslims should have an international voice. They should control their foreign affairs. They should be represented at the international level.

That is one of the many reasons why muslims must seperate. I didn't even say anything about terrorism.

 

[sanaa]

Salam


Kashmiris are as Indian as Punjabis, Sindhis, Bengalis, Balochis, Pathans (ethnically related to Kashmiris).

well thank god your admitting they are indian

Yet each and everyone one of then wanted to be under Muslim rule,

do u have any evidence to back up this "claim"?! how do u explain the kashmiri turnout in the elections?

rather than what would be Hindu rule (as Hindus dominate Indian parliament).

its a secular government where hinduism and islam are equal in the eyes of law

Clearly religion was a factor playing in the partition of India.

ya and it was a bad mistake

The ruler was a Hindu monarch ruling a Muslim majoirty. One person has no right to decide the future of whole people.

lol . dint u just say in your earlier post that monarchies and dictatorships and communist governments are ok as long as the people accept it . also mussharaf is a dictator who imposes his will on the pakistani people , noone elected him . further if the kashmiris did not want to join india why was there no rebellion in the 1950's . why did the trouble start when the afghanistan war ended and the mujahideens had nowhere to go?

and also i noticed u did not reply to the statement that pakistan invaded kashmir , showing zero respect to the free will of kashmiris and breaking the settlement agreement between kashmir and pakistan

Pakistan has no interest in the regions of ladakh, or others mainly inhabited by non-Muslims.

kashmiri pandits or hindus belong to the kasmir valley , its their ancestral land and its dominated by muslims . they have no desire to join pakistan

What you are talking about allegedly started in the late 1980s, after nearly 40 years of Indian occupation.

yes it started in the late 1980's . connect the dots now

Please add the word "secular" before "muslims".

do you know what secular means . it means all religions are equal in the eyes of law . can u tell me whats wrong in that

The so-called "muslim" president has shown no interest in ever defending the rights of Muslims.

what rights are talking about? muslims get equal rights in india , in fact they get haj subsidies and they are even allowed to follow shariah law in some cases

Many of these muslims drink alcohol. They are as much Muslim, as meat -eaters are brahmin.

another claim without any evidence . the muslim president or the movie stars dont drink alcohol

Please don't talk about movie stars, we all know how much hate your media has for Muslims in general.

no its clearly something only you know . noone else does .

We all know what happened to Azhar.

ya he got dropped becoz of bribery charges . are u saying that happened becoz hes muslim . unfortunately thats not true becoz ajay jadeja , a hindu member got the exact same punishment .
also irfan pathan and mohammad kaif and zaheer khan are important members today

 

[sanaa]

In the Hindu caste system, where do peoples of other religions fit.

they dont fit . we are not interested in applying laws of hinduism to other religions

What if they eat meat, drink alcohol, and do other things regarded by Hindus as bad?

lot of hindus do the same thing . it doesnt matter .

 

[polygone]

I could say the same about Kashmiri Pandits: They're welcome to jump off of the Himalayas, or move to another state of India. Nobody's forcing them to stay. But Noooooooo, they want to stay in Muslim Kashmir. I would be just as wrong to say this as you are about Muslims. Every people (Muslims and Kashmiri Pandits) has the right to stay in their land, and if they have the majoirty, they may exercise independence.

The land Kashmir, belongs to India. Muslims are welcome to stay there, under Indian law if they wish to. But causing riots and terrorism should deny them the right to stay in India.

And how exaclty are Muslims consuming all the resources? They only have what they rightfully own....unless you too believe that Muslims are criminals and Hindus are the good guys.

I'm talking of the Muslims who stay in India (thus the government provides them with jobs and constitutional benefits - so they are indeed consuming Indian resources) and hail Pakistan and undermine our National Interests. This is not about Muslims = Bad, Hindus = Good.

That is not even a reason. That is an EXAMPLE (if you know the difference). The reason was that Muslims should have an international voice. They should control their foreign affairs. They should be represented at the international level.

And who's preventing them? Do you think that countries like Pakistan and UAE are not internationally represented? The only countries that are not represented are those that cause terrorism (including Palestine, Afghanistan, etc... On a side note, I wonder how Pakistan still manages to pull the proverbial wool over western eyes) and deservingly so. Everywhere, all over the world, I see Muslims causing problems or fighting for a "land of their own". This is perhaps the inherent nature of Muslims, since I DON'T see Hindus, Christians and Jews doing the same! Why can't they just learn to co-exist with others?

 

[sanaa]

Salam,


I could say the same about Kashmiri Pandits: They're welcome to jump off of the Himalayas, or move to another state of India. Nobody's forcing them to stay. But Noooooooo, they want to stay in Muslim Kashmir.

u see kashmir technically and lawfully belongs to india . so why should kashmiri pandits leave their homes . the land belongs to india and if some muslims have a problem with india they can leave india . everytime someone has a problem with india we are not going to give our land to them . so if they want to stay in a islamic theocracy they can leave indian land and move

 

[bless_sins]

Salam ,

I might respond to u guys by PM, or on another forum but not here. This area belongs for religous purposes.
(You are very welcome to open a thread at "International Politcs", or "History")

As for your response that the caste system is to be only applied to Hindus. What happens if Muslims start living in HIndu communities? Are they (or should they) be affected by the caste system??

 

[arunma]

As for your response that the caste system is to be only applied to Hindus. What happens if Muslims start living in HIndu communities? Are they (or should they) be affected by the caste system??

You won't catch me defending Hinduism very often, but quite a few Hindus no longer recognize the caste system. It's roots are in Hinduism, but it has evolved into an issue with Indian culture. It is this culture that must be dealt with in order to combat the caste system.

 

[elijah115]

Salam (Peace),



If Muslims made 90% + of, say Scotland, AND were the economically dominant group, yes they would have the right to rebel and seperate, just like the 13 colonies did.

in which case, the Nazi were just to carry out the final solution because germans were the ethnic majority & economically dominant group...


also should we expel all muslims from britain whilst they are the minority or would that be considered sectarian discrimination, and systematic crimes against muslims citizens? it seems reasonable to me given your logic for us to send all muslims back to the middle east, paskitan and w/e else the UK decides, doesnt it?

also bless_sins, dont say salam.. if you support non-peaceful ideologies

 

[arunma]

also should we expel all muslims from britain whilst they are the minority or would that be considered sectarian discrimination, and systematic crimes against muslims citizens? it seems reasonable to me given your logic for us to send all muslims back to the middle east, paskitan and w/e else the UK decides, doesnt it?

It is a difficult situation, isn't it? Britain is faced with a dilemma in which many of its born citizens adhere to a religious ideology that is diametrically opposed to Anglican Christianity, which is the traditional religion of Britain (at least nominally). To expel them would be tyrannical. But to take no action will result in the destruction of Anglican Christianity. I'm not sure how they should deal with this.

 

[elijah115]

bless_sins

you're the one who mixed politics with religion, not the hindu's. You think that islamic law should be imposed on non-Muslims. Whereas Muslims in Western countries have the right and freedom to as religious as they want save being law abiding.

 

[arunma]

you're the one who mixed politics with religion, not the hindu's.

Hindus do it too. Have you heard of the BJP party in India?

 

[polygone]

Hindus do it too. Have you heard of the BJP party in India?

Christians do it to. That's how the Congress gets (a lot of) its votes.

 

[polygone]

Besides, the BJP is not a pro-Hindu activist party or anything. It's the RSS that believes in Hindutva.

 

[indianx]

BJP is exactly similar to the Republican party in America. One supposedly caters to Hindus, while the other supposedly caters to Christians. But, there are many Hindus who don't support the BJP and there are many Christians who don't support the Republican party. Both of these parties don't restrict members of other religions. There have been Christian and Muslim members of the BJP and there have been Muslim members of the Republican party.

 

[NickD]

Christians do it to. That's how the Congress gets (a lot of) its votes.

How come Congress in India gets (a lot of) its votes since Christians are minority population in Indi?

 

[sanaa]

Salam ,

I might respond to u guys by PM, or on another forum but not here. This area belongs for religous purposes.
(You are very welcome to open a thread at "International Politcs", or "History")

i really dont think anyone is objecting to our discussion here . i think our discussion has large religious undertones to it so its best we conduct it here

As for your response that the caste system is to be only applied to Hindus. What happens if Muslims start living in HIndu communities? Are they (or should they) be affected by the caste system??

um no . muslims have lived in hindu india since centuries . caste system was never applied to them

 

[sanaa]

Hindus do it too. Have you heard of the BJP party in India?

i think he was talking about this thread

 

[bless_sins]

To sanaa:
I understand the caste system was not applied to Muslims, but where would they fit??
When Hindus deal with Muslims or Christians in everyday life, how would the caste system affect the latter??

 

[bless_sins]

Salam Sanaa,

I have opened a thread on the international politics forum: "To be independent, or not to be independent?".

I think are main differences are that I am a seperatist, and you are a unionist ( I could be wrong). I think the politcal ideologies in general need to be debated, not the specific issue. That way both of us can shed some light on history, learn some stuff, and then decide what is what. It would be helpful, also, because of others views on the matter.
Besides, you're the one who has said: "If you see any derogatory post or comment about hinduism in any forum besides the non christian religion forum please send me a pm ..." (not that i'm intending to make any comment regards to hinduism, I think its a great religion).

 

[elijah115]

Hindus do it too. Have you heard of the BJP party in India?

i know about that but i wasnt talking about the world outside this microcosm (board).. I was talking about all the hindus that replied in this thread..