Questions and Aswers in the election of the country doc

[thecountrydoc]

Hi Nighteternal,

I just turned on the computer this afternoon and noticed your post. I was going to start with my response to Tall but thought I'd first take notice of your last post. (I may be here all night responding to Tall. Thats OK, I just don't want to jump off the bus before the trip is finished.)

In your last post you said:

I wish that had been clarified more."

I don'tknow exactly what you "wish had been clarified more," but please feel free to ask or reask anything that you would like to have more clarity on.

Respectfully, your brother in Christ,
Doc

 

[NightEternal]

No, nothing to do with your answers Doc. I was saying I wish it had been clarified before I voted that we were able to ask a multitude of questions but we were only limited to one post containing those questions.

The way I understood it was that we could only ask one question with one follow-up question.

Lack of communication, nothing more.

 

[Adventtruth]

My question.

I understand you defend from the bible and never from EGW who you trust. Will you promise to teach and direct your ministry here in the Name, Honor, and Glory of God above all things, understanding it not about the SDA Church, The Mission of the SDA CHurch, EGW, The Sabbath, The law, nor you or I...But about God and God alone, who is the only righteous being above all?



AT

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Doc.

I have come to the understanding that you will be given access to "sensitive personal information". Doc. can you guarantee you me that you will not "leak" personal information to anyone in this forum or call employers or pastors or conference offical with the information you find here?

I don't want you calling my pastor telling him what I am doing. I want to be able to have my discussion and draw my own conclusions without fear of someone "leaking" information to others.


You have expressed that you have a personal personal problem

 

[thecountrydoc]

Hi Tall,

The length and detail of your questions reminds me of an old saying about farm folks that would come into the city and take a ride on the street car. They considerd the street car a great attraction and would get onboard at one end of the line and ride it to the opposite end of the line. The city folks would laugh and say "They sure got their monies worth out of that nickel." I'll do my best to give you your monies worth.

Question:

A. As to your personal thoughts on 3ABN, they are your own. But will you shut those conversations down? How do you see the current rules applying to the 3ABN threads, if at all?

Conversations such as were generated about 3ABN unfortunately serve little more than to give a public platform for gossip. Even if every single word on either side of this argument could be proven in court in front of judge and jury, to engage in such coversation outside of a court room is idle gossip. Those who engage in this type of activity are only wasting their time, since they have no drect ability to do anything about it, and at the same time are simply airing "dirty laundry" in public for the world to see. Would I enforce the rules as I know them to be? Yes.

B. If someone is suicidal on here, what will you do?

There is a basic protocol that should be used anytime someone is deemed to be suicidal whether it be on the phone or on-line. It first consist of conversation that, hopefuly, will help to identify the severity of the depression and at the same time establish at least a degree of confidence on the part of the caller (patient) in the counsellor or health care professional. Once confidence and conversation have been established, for me personaly, my next step is to find out where they are geographicaly so that I may be of service in refering them to a qualified health care professional in their immeaiate area. I also attempt to determin if a qualified health care prfessional is needed that can administer and moniter medication, or if a qualified therapist/counsellor should be considered next. Once we get past the immeadiate chrisis the next step is to combine a medical approach with the spritual to achieve complete healing.

C. How do you view the mission of CF "uniting all Christians"? How do you see them uniting? Is it a mission you subscribe to? If so, how?

Unfortunately, the "uniting of all Christians" as defined by most churches today, as you know, is not biblical. The concept of a one world religion is not somthing that can not be supported by Scripture, nor do I support that belief. If on the other hand we make the distinction of the "church" as being the bride of Christ, then I do believe that there will be belivers from every denomination that will be of like mind when Christ returns and will indeed be saved. Therefore it is incumbant on us to reach both the churched a well as the unchurched with the message of Christ soon return.

D. "Will you give out anyone's private information that you will have access to as a staff member? I came across a number of things in the staff forums that people would not want known widely. Will you keep confidentiality and have you in your professional work before?"

For most of my life I have been involved in professons and endevors that have required the utmost in confidentiality. I have never betrayed that trust and I never will.

E. "Would you consider the following statements flames or rule violations of any sorts? These are all things I have seen in reports, or something similar."

EGW was a false prophet As I uderstand the rules this would be a flame. Appropiate action would be taken.

Mary was just an incubator for Jesus. God could have picked someone else At the lest this I would consider to be profain and at the worst blasphemy. Apropaite action would be taken.

You are committing sodomy by using birth control. This goes beyond the sphere of biblical debate and would not be allowed.

The papacy is the beast power This is a statement that I made in the open forums here at CF. I was notified that it was a flame and it was removed. I protested and pointed out indisputable biblical and historical refference. I was allowed to repost.

You are ignorant A flame.

Flying spaghetti monster touches you with his noodley appendage Surely you jest. I might suggest that they watch Sesame Street and look for the post in file 13.

I was a catholic until I became saved First; who posted it? A SDA or a visitor? Was it posted in the open/nondebate SDA forum? Or was it posted in the Debate forum? Personaly I would ask for an explination and how the explaination fit the context of the thread. At that point I feel I would have the pertinent information necessary to make a proper decision.

You are going to hell Flame.

Anyone who would support gay clergy is of the devil A warning would be in order and an edit.

Venerating icons is idolatry While I may consider this to be true, the same criteria would apply as "I was a catholic until I became saved."

Adventists are a cult May be OK in the debates but not in the general SDA forum.

F. "How would you handle the following reports?"

Tall, I must take care of somthing that can't be put off. I will return a little later and finish your questions.

PS: To RC_NP,
I'll get to your question when I finish Tall's qestions.

Respectfully, your brother in Christ,
Doc

 

[longhair75]

Friend Ice Dragon

I have come to the understanding that you will be given access to "sensitive personal information". Doc. can you guarantee you me that you will not "leak" personal information to anyone in this forum or call employers or pastors or conference offical with the information you find here?

I don't want you calling my pastor telling him what I am doing. I want to be able to have my discussion and draw my own conclusions without fear of someone "leaking" information to others.

Just to clarify: As a moderator, I do not have access to anyone's personal information, nor will the country doc.

 

[TrustAndObey]

I think what Tall referred to as "sensitive personal information" is stuff people have confided in him. I've told him some stuff I did not/do not feel comfortable discussing on this forum and I have never once worried that he would give that information out (even if we've had heated words).

He's talking about THAT kind of trust and information I think.

 

[longhair75]

I would never violate the trust someone would place in me when telling me something in confidence.

I may have my imperfections, but I do try very hard to conduct myself as a gentleman here on CF and in real life.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Hi Tall,

Question: Conversations such as were generated about 3ABN unfortunately serve little more than to give a public platform for gossip. Even if every single word on either side of this argument could be proven in court in front of judge and jury, to engage in such coversation outside of a court room is idle gossip. Those who engage in this type of activity are only wasting their time, since they have no drect ability to do anything about it, and at the same time are simply airing "dirty laundry" in public for the world to see. Would I enforce the rules as I know them to be? Yes.

so will you allow 3abn to be talked about or not? that is not clear.

 

[JonMiller]

"EGW was a false prophet As I uderstand the rules this would be a flame. Appropiate action would be taken."

Where should people be able to talk about whether EGW was a false prophet or not?

"You are ignorant A flame."

What would be an appropriate way to get across that someone is, in fact, ignorant.

"Conversations such as were generated about 3ABN unfortunately serve little more than to give a public platform for gossip. "

Is there a rule in the forums against gossip? Where should 3ABN be talked about?

Finally, I guess my question is... will you abide by the rules of the site/forum? Or will you follow your own sense of what is right/wrong.

JM

 

[thecountrydoc]

OK, I'm back. Now I think the real fun is about to start. I'm no computer whiz and I can't even read the rest of your original post on my screen. Add to that a computer that doesn't want to cooperate and my poor wife may well be calling the guys in the little white coats from the local funny farm before I get this finished.

F. "How would you handle the following reports?"

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maco
And we were just starting to have fun...

http://www.christianforums.com/showt...5#post37125915
Now I realize that I often have senior moments and even forget what my wife sent me to the store for, but I fail to see any reason to do anything other than just grin at Maco's quip.


This is part of this thread:
The Plagiarism Claim
http://www.christianforums.com/t2875959

This is the reason that the user gave:
juvenile harrassment
Perhaps I'm still missing the point. In the above link I find nothing more than the results of a scholarly research project. I also fail to see the conection for "juvenile harrassment." I also fail to see the need for posting the link for Maco's profile. It, like so many profiles here at CF, contains almost no info on the member.
The link to maco's profile:
http://www.christianforums.com/u187749


Quote:
Originally Posted by reddogs
Quote:
Originally Posted by sentipente

The end of time is not the ending of time. Even if you are correct do you mean that Christ is unable to multitask? What does He have to prepare that would prevent Him from being with His people? Either He is powerful or He is notl I can see that I need a new compass to find my way around these post. Seriously, The first thing I must ask; Is this in the Debates, or the open forum? If it is in the general forum then it should be moved. If it is in the debates then the posters have a semantics problem. What I hope to learn about CF from the training session is just how much do they want or allow a mod to take part in the forums? The "end time" refference would have a completely different meaning if the proper simantics were used and the context corrected.


You have got to start taking your meds.... "end of time is not the ending of time"?, thats what END means as like THE END..........

http://www.christianforums.com/showt...5#post37113125
A wise crack for sure. If that remark were made to, or about, me I would need to ask which one? However it would seem that if a report were filed a simple modification with a note to the poster would be sufficent.

This is part of this thread:
The 144,000... who are they and why only 144,000?
http://www.christianforums.com/t5769996
I scaned this entire thread. For the most part it was a fairly civil exchange. I also noticed that the OP requested the thread be closed. Once again, if allowed, and I had the time, I probably would have made comment. It also got off topic more than it should have.

This is the reason that the user gave:
Suggestion that I am sick "take your meds. At best it is baiting. It would be my hope that in the future most will learn to grin and bear it when this type of wise crack is made. I would also think that a modest rebuke would serve to keep the piece. Unfortunately I know of no medication that will cure a "tender skin" or a "sharp tongue." I do believe that there times when laughter is truly the best medicine.

The link to reddogs's profile:
http://www.christianforums.com/u173509
I have also read this profile.

Quote:
Originally Posted by honorthesabbath

Quote:
Originally Posted by woobadooba

I no longer want to have anything to do with the SDA forum. Abusive people like Night have become too much for me.

I am tired of coming in here and seeing threads that bash our church, and I am tired of being referred to as a mini-Hitler/Dictator, because I think such behavior ought to be corrected.

What's even worse is that the Mods aren't doing anything about this. That's the sad part.

I am at a low point in my life right now, and this kind of abuse is not helping me at all.

So I want to wish you all the best.

Goodbye.


Now WOOB--don't do that. I understand your feelings for that devil, but don't allow him to run you off. God will deal with his kind soon enough. Just ignore his posts--I mean--really put him on IGGY!!

You are one of the faithful fighters here--we NEED you--please do not abandon us!!

http://www.christianforums.com/showt...6#post37143976


This is part of this thread:
I Know That I've Said this many times before...
http://www.christianforums.com/t5790618

This is the reason that the user gave:
Flaming, calling NightEternal a devil.
All parties got more than a little emotional in this discourse. See my note below.

The link to honorthesabbath's profile:
http://www.christianforums.com/u120671

After trying to get back to the start of this exchange,[I think I was sucessful], I must say that I could see the heat starting to rise much earlier. At that point I would have steped in and defused what turned into a verbal joust. Its much easier to keep a dog fight from starting than it is to stop one.

Tall, I'm sorry for needing to post these answers to your questions in two parts. I hope that I haven't made too many typos and have addressed your questions and concerns adequately. If I have failed to do so please feel free to PM me at any time.

Respectfully, your brother in Christ,
Doc

 

[thecountrydoc]

Hi Adventtruth,

My question.

"I understand you defend from the bible and never from EGW who you trust. Will you promise to teach and direct your ministry here in the Name, Honor, and Glory of God above all things, understanding it not about the SDA Church, The Mission of the SDA CHurch, EGW, The Sabbath, The law, nor you or I...But about God and God alone, who is the only righteous being above all?"

AT

WOW AT, you sure throw a big blanket over the topic!

Please note that I have highlited The Sabbath, and The Law. That is bcause without those two topics I would not be a Seventh-day Aventist. They are also an intergral part of understanding the true charector and nature of God as well as the plan of salvation. Both are gifts from our Creator so that we may understand Him and His Divine plan for us. However, with that being said, I don't use the Sabbath as a battering ram against others as is so commonly done by SDAs. Neither do I get into any great debates over the law and the fourth commandment. Do I get around to covering these most imprtant topics? Certainly! But that can always waite until after the desire to know more about Jesus Christ has been created in the people that I get the chance to wittness to.

My first obligation as a Christian is to introduce those that I come into contact with to Jesus Christ. For those that have already met Him, I want to make Him even more real to them and create a desire to know Him better.

Do I ever talk about E. G. White with other SDAs? Sure I do. But it serves no purpose to bring up her or her writings if those that I may be talking to don't know who she is or don't accept her writings. As I have said repeatedly, I can defend my faith with the Bible only.

As I have told others, I'm not your stereotyped SDA. You will understand exactly what I mean as you get to know me better.

I hope that I have answered your concerns. If you have further questions please feel free to PM me.

Respecfully, your brother in Christ,
Doc

 

[thecountrydoc]

Hi RC_NP,

"My question is based upon your answer to Night. Where you say":
Quote:
My first concern on these forums is to spread the third angels message.
"I have noticed when most people make this claim to spreading the third angels message or the three angels message they are using the term as a code word for the traditional SDA doctrines (sabbath, IJ, SDA remnant church etc). Now I have seen this done for years and it was actually a very bright older SDA lady who first pointed this out to me on SDAnet. If you are using it as a code word I understand if you are not please define what you mean by the term you used."

I must say that I thought I had heard every possible thing that could be said, both good and bad, about the SDA church. But a code? Now thats a new one on me.

OK. Lets put away aything but the Bible. Put aside the stereotyped SDA presentations. Lets examine just the "end times," and the book of Revelation. Or perhaps we should call it "The Revelation of Jesus Christ" just as the apostile John called it. If there is one single book in the Bible that the adverage Christian doesn't understand, Revelation is the book.

You will notice that I have highlited the Sabbath in your original text. I have done so because without the Sabbath none of us would be in this forum because there would be no SDA forum. So yes that is part of the "third angels message" and it must be shared. The rest of the book of Revelation contains a vast arey of information that Christ Himself deemed that we need to know to be ready for His second coming or he would not have given this wonderful book to John the Revelator. To me the "Third Angels Messge" is God's last personal instructions that we need to know and understand in order to be ready when He returns.

I hope that this explination relieves your concerns. If not please feel free to PM me.

Respectfully, your brother in Christ,
Doc

 

[thecountrydoc]

Hi Icedragon,

From your last post:

Doc.

I have come to the understanding that you will be given access to "sensitive personal information". Doc. can you guarantee you me that you will not "leak" personal information to anyone in this forum or call employers or pastors or conference offical with the information you find here?

I don't want you calling my pastor telling him what I am doing. I want to be able to have my discussion and draw my own conclusions without fear of someone "leaking" information to others.


You have expressed that you have a personal personal problem."

First let me repeat what I told another member.

"For most of my life I have been engaged in professions and endevors that have required the utmost confidentality. I have never given out personal information of any kind nor will I ever do so."

As for your fear of me saying anything to ANYONE ELSE in the SDA orginization, that is ABSOLUTELY never going to happen. Now that I've said all that, I don't know of any personal information that the mods would have access to.

I also have no idea how you came up with the belief that I have a problem with personal. There are many things that I know very little about in this world, and I'll be the first to admit that, but I do know somthing about people because that is how I've made my living all my life. And that has included some very large staffs.

Hope that puts your concens to rest.

Respectfully, your brother in Christ,
Doc

 

[thecountrydoc]

Hi once again Icedragon,

From your last post:
Question:

Conversations such as were generated about 3ABN unfortunately serve little more than to give a public platform for gossip. Even if every single word on either side of this argument could be proven in court in front of judge and jury, to engage in such coversation outside of a court room is idle gossip. Those who engage in this type of activity are only wasting their time, since they have no drect ability to do anything about it, and at the same time are simply airing "dirty laundry" in public for the world to see. Would I enforce the rules as I know them to be? Yes.
so will you allow 3abn to be talked about or not? that is not clear.

You were absolutely correct to call me on this. I must appologize for opening the mouth before puting the brain in gear.

If this topic were to be introduced in the main forum, then I would hold to what I said. If on the other hand it was introduced in the debates I would simpley watch it very closely unless the rules specificly forebade it. Please note that I have highlited the sentanse refering to the rules. (Personal comment: Christians are warned not to gossip.)

Respectfully, your brother in Christ,
Doc

 

[thecountrydoc]

Hi JM,

From your last post:

"EGW was a false prophet." As I uderstand the rules this would be a flame. Appropiate action would be taken."

Where should people be able to talk about whether EGW was a false prophet or not?

Please note that I have highlited "As I understand the rules." If the current rules are changed, then I belive it would be allowed in the debates.

"You are ignorant. A flame."

What would be an appropriate way to get across that someone is, in fact, ignorant.

HOW you say somthing is what counts. I can't give you a complete course right now on how to prepare a controversial post, but I will be glade to help those who are interested after we get the rest of the rules in place and the forum starting to run smoothly. Let me give you an analogy. There is an old country story about a hell fire preacher that was so good that he could tell you that you were going to hell and you would actually look forward to the trip.

Conversations such as were generated about 3ABN unfortunately serve little more than to give a public platform for gossip."

Is there a rule in the forums against gossip? Where should 3ABN be talked about?

I must appoligize to you as I did to another member. No there is no rule that I know of forbidding gossip. However there is biblical council against it. As to where such a topic would need to be discussed, that would be the debates unless there is a rule change.

Finally, I guess my question is... will you abide by the rules of the site/forum? Or will you follow your own sense of what is right/wrong.

JM

I can assure you that I will abide by the rules. I have spent far too much time in a court of law to do it anyother way.

Respectfully, your brother in Christ,
Doc

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

I must say that I thought I had heard every possible thing that could be said, both good and bad, about the SDA church. But a code? Now thats a new one on me.
...
To me the "Third Angels Messge" is God's last personal instructions that we need to know and understand in order to be ready when He returns.

I hope that this explination relieves your concerns. If not please feel free to PM me.

Respectfully, your brother in Christ,
Doc

Thank you, though I found it strange that you are surprised that the term is used as a code and then you end by using it as a code, "God's last personal instructions".

So you believe the purpose of this forum is to spread God's last personal instructions. I think I have all I need thank you.

 

[thecountrydoc]

Hello once again RC_NP,

I must say, you and I certainly have a different way reading and understanding the English language.

Perhaps one day you can help me write a medical report or prepare a court brief. I'm always looking for a shortcut.

Respectfully, your brother in Christ
Doc

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

well medical and legal and even theological terms have dictionaries which define terms. However if I or someone else uses terms which have no definitions and a definition is asked for yet cannot be given then the term is being used as a code for something . For instance I asked you to "define what you mean by the term you used" (Third Angels message) and your answer is "God's last personal instructions that we need to know and understand in order to be ready when He returns." Then I and anyone else have not received a definition. If it was not a code you could have easily listed those instructions and we could then all check the passage in Revelation and see if indeed those are the instuctions found in the third angels message.

So indeed we do view things differently and that is a problem in a moderator who should be able to apply common language usage.

 

[tall73]

This is my follow-up post.

A. Yes, I did get my 50 cents worth, perhaps because it is only in practical application of rules to cases that we can see how you will work. That is the primary job of a moderator. I understand that training has not taken place yet, so some of the aspects you may not be aware of (such as why profile listings in reports can be helpful, though they are now far less helpful than they used to be).

Thank you for addressing the points asked.

B. On the EGW question, please explain the portion of the rules that is violated by the statement "EGW is a false prophet."

Please also explain how you would handle the following:

"EGW was not inspired of God" Flame? Other violation?