HisdaughterJen
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We go up and the devil comes down:if that is the only problem, then perhaps you interpretation is flawed....since we are not removed early, the flaw is indeed yours...one you teach to others.
none of the quoted scriptures you gave point to pre trib...not at all...2Thes2, states the falling away from the faith called apostasy (no matter what you change it to mean) and Satan must be revealed first before the Gathering to Christ..Satan's casting to earth in Rev12 is before the Gathering to Christ...Rev7 is the sealing of the elect, who are on earth for that whole time...and sealed before the first trump even sounds. they are sealed with the Word of God. Rev9 is the entire length of the final tribulation...5 months. And we are told Satan's limitations..he cannot kill anyone...we have power over him in Christ's name.
absolutely not....you base that on incorrect division of God's Word...
seal 5 is not the change to glorified bodies...that happens at the 7th trump...see Rev14.
sure it can...and it does...your pre trib is simply wrong...simple.
just throw away pre trib, and it will all make perfect sense...
in His service
c
Hebrew Names Version:
2Th 2:1 Now, brothers, concerning the coming of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah, and our gathering together to him, we ask you
2Th 2:2 not to be quickly shaken in your mind, nor yet be troubled, either by spirit, or by word, or by letter as from us, saying that the day of Messiah had come.
2Th 2:3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless the departure comes first (GREEK WORD "APOSTASIA" which means to move away from the place of standing), and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction,
2Th 2:4 he who opposes and exalts himself against all that is called God or that is worshiped; so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself up as God.
2Th 2:5 Don't you remember that, when I was still with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 Now you know what is restraining him, to the end that he may be revealed in his own season.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of lawlessness already works. Only there is one who restrains now, until he is taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 Then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will kill with the breath of his mouth, and bring to nothing by the brightness of his coming;
It is not apostasy that is standing in the way and holding back the revealing of the man of sin. IT is the church!!!!!!
Here's more proof;
1Pe 1:3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
1Pe 1:4 and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade–kept in heaven for you,
1Pe 1:5 who through faith are shielded by God's power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.
Here's more proof:
Rev 12:10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
“Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God,
and the authority of his Christ.
For the accuser of our brothers,
who accuses them before our God day and night,
has been hurled down.
Rev 12:11 They overcame him
by the blood of the Lamb
and by the word of their testimony;
they did not love their lives so much
as to shrink from death.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, you heavens
and you who dwell in them!
But woe to the earth and the sea,
because the devil has gone down to you!
He is filled with fury,
because he knows that his time is short.”
Who are living in heaven when the devil is cast down?
Rev 7:9 After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.
Rev 7:10 And they cried out in a loud voice:
“Salvation belongs to our God,
who sits on the throne,
and to the Lamb.”
...
Rev 7:14 I answered, “Sir, you know.”
And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
When were those white robes given?
Rev 6:9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained.
Rev 6:10 They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?”
Rev 6:11 Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer (for what? JUDGMENT OF THE EARTH! it was the answer to their question), until the number of their fellow servants and brothers who were to be killed (more people are martyred before judgment but that doesn't hold up the giving of white robes) as they had been was completed.
So what are the white robes, Zeke? The bridal clothes!
Rev 19:6 Then I heard what sounded like a great multitude, like the roar of rushing waters and like loud peals of thunder, shouting:
“Hallelujah!
For our Lord God Almighty reigns.
Rev 19:7 Let us rejoice and be glad
and give him glory!
For the wedding of the Lamb has come,
and his bride has made herself ready.
Rev 19:8Fine linen, bright and clean,
was given her to wear.”
(Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of the saints.)
Do you think that something as big as the promised redemption of our bodies which have been in a fallen state for 6000 years would not have a place in the book of the Bible that discusses the end times?
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