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SuperNova said:
Visit this site.
www.answersingenesis.org

There is more evidence for creation then the "text books" will reveal. The fossil record is exactly what we would expect if the bible were true.

Also Darwin knew absolutely nothing about genetics. He thought cells were blobs of carbon. It wasn't until modern equipment actually looked inside the cell to see the vastly complex machine that it is that modern genetics took form. Trusting a theory involving genetics from a man who didn't even know DNA existed is foolish to say the least.

Also it is true that most genetic mutations are harmful or have no effect. But it is also true that some beneficial mutations do occur. But in either case they never involve and increase in genetic information. It always involves either a lose, or rearranging of existing information.
If we are to conclude that evolution is caused by mutations and it also involves simple organisms becoming more complex there would have to be an increase in genetic information. This is not possible through mutations. What we do see however is exactly what we would if the bible were true. Life is degenerating, not evolving. Our genome has many errors where as in the beginning there were none. In a decaying world we would expect to see degeneration rather than an evolution of life. And surely there is a scientific law which supports this. Law #2 of thermodynamics. All matter and energy increase in entropy, or become less complex. It decays to it's simplest form. We grow old, our cars rust etc. This law contradicts the ability of matter to go from inanimate to living and then to a complex organism. evolutionists have tried to counter this but have been unsuccessful.

What you have to realize is that evolution is unproved and unprovable. It is just as much a faith as creation is. It is not science in any form. There is plenty of evidence to contradict evolution. What you also have to realize is that we all have the same evidence. It's how you see the evidence based on your personal bias.

Archaeopteryx has been identified as a true bird, not a missing link.
Ramapithecus is an extinct orangutan. All so called human ancestors have been identified as either true human, or true ape or a hoax/misidentified body part. There are no missing links.

I however am not an expert so I'm not good at debating the matter. I'm just someone who has read and watched alot about it. The experts are on the site I linked you to. There is a search function on there and just about any question you have can be answered there. If not you can contact them I'm sure.
my my my. the old 2nd Law of Thermodynamics trick that has been refuted way to many times to count. Yes archaeopteryx was a bird but a link between dinosaurs as well. there are links just not the distorted ones creationists want you to believe. evolution is provable and you need to read the other side of a debate, not a site that claims anything that goes against Scripture will be thrown out. your biased, end of subject.
 
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LegendaryU2K said:
Darwin was trick by the devil and there are false teachers in this world, there you go. Evolution is a joke and most importantly, it brings no hope to this world. There is no proof of evolution, what we bare witness to is foolishness, whereas, in the bible, proof is in us and it shows by the world condition and all of its foundation.
tricked by the devil? where did you get that from? evolution is not a joke but a naturally occuring process. evolution is not supposed to bring hope to this world and if you rely on the Bible to have hope something is wrong. Jesus is our hope not the Bible. quit trying to learn from the pulpit and do your own research.
 
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Some of the arguments presented here are just sad. For example
SuperNova said:
Visit this site.
www.answersingenesis.org

There is more evidence for creation then the "text books" will reveal. The fossil record is exactly what we would expect if the bible were true.

If the bible was a literal account we would expect to see whale fossils with trillobite fossils. Zebras mixed in with velociraptors, mamoths and iguanadons in the same layer of earth.
We don't.

Also Darwin knew absolutely nothing about genetics. He thought cells were blobs of carbon. It wasn't until modern equipment actually looked inside the cell to see the vastly complex machine that it is that modern genetics took form. Trusting a theory involving genetics from a man who didn't even know DNA existed is foolish to say the least.

You don't seem to realize that the theory of evolution has undergone a few improvments in the 200 years we've been testing it. Darwin's original theory is outdated.

Also it is true that most genetic mutations are harmful or have no effect. But it is also true that some beneficial mutations do occur. But in either case they never involve and increase in genetic information. It always involves either a lose, or rearranging of existing information.

Mutations can also substitute one base pair for another or insert extra DNA into the gene. For example:
Jesus
Jenus
Jenu
Jenuin
Enuin
Enin
Edurnin
Durnin
Dwrnin
Dwrnia
Dwainr
Dainrw
Darniw
Darwin

(I may be incorrect on the details here. Someone versed in genetics will have to correct me. coughJetBlackcough.

If we are to conclude that evolution is caused by mutations and it also involves simple organisms becoming more complex there would have to be an increase in genetic information. This is not possible through mutations. What we do see however is exactly what we would if the bible were true. Life is degenerating, not evolving. Our genome has many errors where as in the beginning there were none.

And your proof for this is....?

In a decaying world we would expect to see degeneration rather than an evolution of life. And surely there is a scientific law which supports this. Law #2 of thermodynamics. All matter and energy increase in entropy, or become less complex. It decays to it's simplest form. We grow old, our cars rust etc. This law contradicts the ability of matter to go from inanimate to living and then to a complex organism. evolutionists have tried to counter this but have been unsuccessful.

The second law of thermodynamics only applies to a closed system. Last time I checked, the earth isn't a closed system.

What you have to realize is that evolution is unproved and unprovable. It is just as much a faith as creation is. It is not science in any form. There is plenty of evidence to contradict evolution. What you also have to realize is that we all have the same evidence. It's how you see the evidence based on your personal bias.

On the contrary evolution has been proven time and again. If you had bothered to look up any supporting evidence for it, you would know that.

Archaeopteryx has been identified as a true bird, not a missing link.
Ramapithecus is an extinct orangutan.
Archaeopteryx has been classified as a true bird. That does not change the fact that it posseses many reptilian charicteristics. I'm not familiar with Ramapithecus, so someone else will have to get that one.

All so called human ancestors have been identified as either true human, or true ape or a hoax/misidentified body part. There are no missing links.

Of course there arn't any "missing links." If we found one it wouldn't be missing would it? Perhaps you would like to tell me which ones are "true apes" and "true humans." None of them are a hoax.
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I however am not an expert so I'm not good at debating the matter. I'm just someone who has read and watched alot about it. The experts are on the site I linked you to. There is a search function on there and just about any question you have can be answered there. If not you can contact them I'm sure.

Perhaps you should apply that talent for observation to evolutionary literature.
 
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