Forgive me for being personal with you but I think you haven't changed much even after claiming that you are now going to follow Isa Ibn Maryam (Peace be upon both of them).
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Why do Muslims view every questioning of Islam as an attack upon them?
The whole thought system lacks critical thinking, rational analysis, and personal responsibility, leaving Muslims content just to stay the same while blaming everyone but themselves for their own thinking errors.
1. Bukhari is the most reliable Hadith transmitter, but he is NOT infallible. There are still some Hadiths that are classified as da'eef(weak.) I am not sure if this Hadith is or not, because I do not have the info to derive that.So we have Muslims that disagree with what Muhammed said. Maybe to resolve this we can go ask Muhammed himself.
"Muhammed, distinguished Prophet of God, what should we do with a Muslim who apostates from Islam?"
Muhammed's answer - "'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
Sahih Bukhari, Book 84:
Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/084.sbt.html
According to Muslim scholars, al-Bukhari is reliable.
Forgive me for being personal with you but I think you haven't changed much even after claiming that you are now going to follow Isa Ibn Maryam (Peace be upon both of them).
Maybe, this will help.So we have Muslims that disagree with what Muhammed said. Maybe to resolve this we can go ask Muhammed himself.
"Muhammed, distinguished Prophet of God, what should we do with a Muslim who apostates from Islam?"
Muhammed's answer - "'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
Sahih Bukhari, Book 84:
Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/084.sbt.html
According to Muslim scholars, al-Bukhari is reliable.
Are you sure you didn't mean to list the defining characteristics of the poster crowd in TAW?
care to actually prove any of your allegations?
You can get as personal as you wish, not sure what you are basing your thoughts here upon however, I do not follow a person called Isa ibn Maryam, that is an islamic invention to cover up the real historical character, the Son of God, the Only-begotten, Begotten of the Father before all ages, Light of Light, True God of True God, Begotten, not made, of one essence with the Father, by Whom all things were made: Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and become man; And was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered and was buried; And the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; And ascended into heaven, and sitteth at the right hand of the Father; And He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead, Whose kingdom shall have no end. He is called Yasouh Al-Masih, not Isa ibn whatnot...
By changing your name or your religion, your biological father can never be changed... You are you'r biological father's son.
Then Pilate said to him, "So you are a king?" Jesus answered, "You say that I am a king. For this purpose I was born and for this purpose I have come into the world--to bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to my voice."A father who is in total control will never ask his son to die neither a God who forbids unjustice will ever allow an innocent man's blood.
Open your heart and realize.
By changing your name or your religion, your biological father can never be changed... You are you'r biological father's son.
A father who is in total control will never ask his son to die neither a God who forbids unjustice will ever allow an innocent man's blood.
Open your heart and realize.
You dare to run the list down over there?
Personal experience does not count?
What is the relevancy?
Then Pilate said to him, "So you are a king?" Jesus answered, "You say that I am a king. For this purpose I was born and for this purpose I have come into the world--to bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to my voice."
(Joh 18:37 ESV)
even as the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."
(Mat 20:28 ESV)
Your understanding of Christian theology concerning redemption is not correct. Father never asked the Son a favor in desperation in order to clean up a mess. Justice came through sacrifice, willing sacrifice of the Son, not unplanned slaughter.
A father who is in total control will never ask his son to die
A father who is in control first establishes people wouldn't mess with his scriptures and teachings so every so many centuries he "perfects" a new religion.
No need to, I've seen enough of what people think over there.
The Catholic Church is heretically liberal after Vatican II
Protestantism is ludicrous
Islam is the Eternal Archenemy
acknowledging common ground with other religions is grave heresy
the Byzantine Empire was the best country to ever exist
, persecution of false teachers is righteous and just,
and don't forget to homeschool your kids!
If it does, you have just discredited Orthodox Christianity in a way I would never dare to.
Thank you.Maybe, this will help.
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...kAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE&cid=1164545965182
http://www.irfi.org/articles/articles_251_300/is_killing_an_apostate_in_the_is.htm
Essentially, Islamic scholars diffrentiate between Major and Minor apostate, the former being a person who leave Islam to join forces with the enemies to destroy the Islamic state, and the latter being a person who leave the religion because of his personal belief and do not pose a threat to the Muslim community as a whole.
Interestingly, a Bedouin once came to the Prophet to say he wanted to leave Islam and the Prophet did not kill him but let him leave.
He didn't allow an innocent man's blood. He allowed his own blood to defeat Satan and death and provide the way for your and my reconcilliation to him.neither a God who forbids unjustice will ever allow an innocent man's blood..
Yes, A Father would but A Creator who gave free will, showed sign after sign, sent Prophets and Messenger wouldn't have to establish people's obedience towards Him...
What kind of justice you are talking about by reliaing on human sacrifice?
He didn't allow an innocent man's blood. He allowed his own blood to defeat Satan and death and provide the way for your and my reconcilliation to him.
i get the impression that God is a graceful loser trying to hold things together, not an almighty winner in control
My religion changed it's rules for prayer, and doctrines were adjusted as the understanding of the believers increased. Do you think these historical facts make me have the slightest doubt my religion is a message from God?a God that bargains prayer times with a human
he has to "perfect" the religion 3 times
So what? I know to the square foot where the Founder of my religion is buried. It's a shrine, a place for pilgrimage.who ROSE from the dead, conquering death. Muhammad's bones are still available today.
Sure, my personal experiences with Islam discredits Orthodoxy, whatever you say...
"My daddy can beat up your daddy!"
Well, nobody is talking to me, but I will make a comment anyway.
My religion changed it's rules for prayer, and doctrines were adjusted as the understanding of the believers increased. Do you think these historical facts make me have the slightest doubt my religion is a message from God?
Plus, "God bargained with a human" over how many righteous people would be enough to save Sodom from God's wrath. See Genesis 18:25 - 32. How, then, does your personal opinion about what God would, or would not, do disprove the claims of Islam?
So what? I know to the square foot where the Founder of my religion is buried. It's a shrine, a place for pilgrimage.
To us, the Christian argument that a religion is from God only if the Founder of the group was bodily raised from the dead is nonsensical.
No... are you deliberately being <staff edit> ? If you admit that personal experience is enough to discredit a religion, you have just given me license to use personal experience to discredit your religion.
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