Question !

[Supreme]

I've posted this question in this forum because i usually debate Christians , I've not debated non-Christians ..

About " Allah swt " i will never say anything because you can't change my beliefs , so you'll waste your time ..

Surah 112 :

1. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only . 2- Allah, the Eternal, Absolute . 3- He begetteth not, nor is He begotten . 4- And there is none like unto Him.



I would highly recommend you to read more about this wonderful " perfect " religion ( Islam ) ..



Thanks for your reply ..

I have read quite a lot on Islam, and honestly, I have found it to be no more true or perfect than when first set off. Indeed, I've found it to be less true- the Islamic concept of a diety appears to be infatuated with making women dress up ridiculously, of prohibiting substances such as alcohol and pork for no apparant reason, and being constantly prayed to, as it appears to lack confidence and self esteem. Now, you can hopefully forgive me for thinking a diety whose obsession over such trivial matters is not only unlikely to exist, but also undeserving of any worship whatsoever, can't you?

Your post also sounds like borderline proselytization- and any promotion of non-Christian religion is not allowed according to the forum rules.

 

[talitha]

Do you trust your religion ? Do you believe your religion is the true religion ?

If so , then why do you reject muslims questions , and you don't even want to get into a debate with us ..

Do you think this would be a waste of time ? or what !

I believe if you love your God then this wouldn't be a waste of your time because it would be for the sake of your God !

I believe that what makes "debates" NOT a waste of time is the possibility (even if a small possibility) that some kernel of Truth will get through the force field surrounding you and cause even a hairline fracture in it.

As someone else suggested, though, I do generally find it a waste of time to watch videos and read articles that really amount to anti-Christian or pro-anything-else propaganda. I have met the Truth, and He is Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and I am not searching any more.

I didn't lie or something like that , i've met many Christians all of them rejected me and ran away , Some of them said impolite words , is that what your religion teaches you ?!!

nooooo but I think some people do not realize that combativeness is not an evangelism technique.......

I'm just wondering if you believe your God's word is true then why don't you believe in this verse :

"But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you" - Jesus of Nazareth, as recorded in Matthew 5:44 (NIV translation)

That is a very good question. However, many nonChristians tend to interpret this verse and others like it to mean that we should allow them to stay in their deception (whatever is not of Jesus) - that we should not preach the gospel and refute whatever contradicts it. I believe that if we as Christians pray for those who persecute us, the Holy Spirit will lead us in how and when to speak with them.

When i ask a Christian a question about his / her belief they just say have FAITH and read the bible ? what ?!! what are you really trying to emphasize ?

I think when a Christian says such a thing, that is a cop-out. We are to preach the gospel, and the gospel is not "have faith and read the bible." The gospel is that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, came to this planet to save people from sin and the consequences of sin, and to give us instead the gift of life in the presence of God.

I've read the bible , but i don't believe it's God's word ( I don't mean to hurt you all ) but this is my beliefs , and those who i met them want me to have faith , is this the way you spread Christianity ? !!

It is to be expected that you as a Muslim do not believe that the Bible is God's word.....

 

[dewaddict84]

But avoid foolish questions

What about good questions that can make the world a better place?

 

[UnionJack]

why did the chicken cross the road

 

[talitha]

why did the chicken cross the road

~~~ avoiding that question ~~~

 

[candle of hope]

I have read quite a lot on Islam, and honestly, I have found it to be no more true or perfect than when first set off. Indeed, I've found it to be less true- the Islamic concept of a diety appears to be infatuated with making women dress up ridiculously, of prohibiting substances such as alcohol and pork for no apparant reason, and being constantly prayed to, as it appears to lack confidence and self esteem. Now, you can hopefully forgive me for thinking a diety whose obsession over such trivial matters is not only unlikely to exist, but also undeserving of any worship whatsoever, can't you?

Your post also sounds like borderline proselytization- and any promotion of non-Christian religion is not allowed according to the forum rules.

You didn't read about Islam !

Because if you did , you wouldn't say these things ..

Allah swt has forbidden to drink alcohol and eat pork for several reasons , see for reasons ! Subhan'Allah

I just wanna ask you a question :
Why are you defending muslim women's right ?

Is that's all what you've read about Islam ?

If you want to be fair , ask us , ask muslim women ..

I don't feel depressed , and i feel comfortable with Hijab nobody forces me to wear it ..

You think that Islam is making muslim women dress up ridiculously ! Huh , Allah wants the best for us ( muslim wom en ) we have a value , no man can touch us without our permission , we feel save when we wear our Hijab ..

And i think in my openin , Muslim women are the most beautiful women Subahn'Allah ..

Anyway , if you want me to post why eating pork and drinking alcohol not allowed in Islam ? i will be willing to post the reasons ..

Also i want to remind you something :
Surah 2 - Chapter 2 - :

2:120. Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion. Say: "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance." Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither Protector nor helper against Allah.

Alhamdulillah that I'm a muslim ..

 

[candle of hope]

Sending strangers emails with articles or videos to can be considered junk mail, regardless of what the topic is about. This could be why some people reject them.

I thank you for your reply ..

Well , i didn't say i don't debate no i debate , and those who i debate them they know me , they know who i am , i don't send junk mails , i've only sent videos on facebook to strange people , even if i want to send people e-mails i tell them what i want , i tell them who i am ..

I have only have had 1 debate with a muslim and to my understanding muslims dont believe that Jesus was crucified? Can you elaborate on that maybe, i'm curious to know more about your beliefs.

I will answer this question with a very clear answer from the Holy Qur'an :

Allah Says in Surah 4 :

4:157. That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not .

and we believe that :

5: 72. They do blaspheme who say: "(Allah) is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help.



5: 73. They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.


Aslo Allah Says :


5:17. In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary. Say: "Who then hath the least power against Allah, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every - one that is on the earth? For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things."

 

[talitha]

2:120. Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion.
True. I do not like that people follow the deception of Islam that leads to Hell.

Say: "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance." Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither Protector nor helper against Allah.
True, I am sure that Allah would seek to destroy you more blatantly. But if you follow after Jehovah, He will protect you from Allah.

 

[hikersong]

True, I am sure that Allah would seek to destroy you more blatantly. But if you follow after Jehovah, He will protect you from Allah.

There's only one way to sort this out. FIGHT!

(This will only be understood by fans of UK comedian Harry Hill. But hey, I don't mind playing to small audiences.)

 

[Supreme]

You didn't read about Islam !

Because if you did , you wouldn't say these things ..

Allah swt has forbidden to drink alcohol and eat pork for several reasons , see for reasons ! Subhan'Allah

.

Several reasons? And what would these several reasons be? The prohibition of pork just follows on from Islam's Arab roots, and it's hardly befitting that a diety would be so involved in a particular culture (ie the Middle Eastern culture) that he would prohibit a food for everyone simply because one single culture didn't eat it? As for alcohol being prohibited, it amazes me how Muslims can claim Jesus as a Muslim when He drank wine on numerous occasions and even transformed water into wine.

You didn't read about Islam !

Because if you did , you wouldn't say these things ..

What, you mean you are allowed to drink and eat pork in Islam? Then I take it all back!

I don't feel depressed , and i feel comfortable with Hijab nobody forces me to wear it ..

Allah forces you to wear it. Without it, you're on a journey to Hell. I would call that 'being forced.'

You think that Islam is making muslim women dress up ridiculously ! Huh , Allah wants the best for us ( muslim wom en ) we have a value , no man can touch us without our permission , we feel save when we wear our Hijab

Well, I'm glad you naively believe wearing a piece of cloth on your head somehow makes you safer. Every woman has a value, and a man has to have the permission of every woman before they touch them. Do you wrongly think the Hijab gives you some sort of authority, that you can decide who touches your body, that non-Muslim women don't have? It's completely erroneous.

And i think in my openin , Muslim women are the most beautiful women Subahn'Allah ..

That's great, I think black women are the most beautiful women.

Anyway , if you want me to post why eating pork and drinking alcohol not allowed in Islam ? i will be willing to post the reasons ..

Please do.

2:120. Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion. Say: "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance." Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither Protector nor helper against Allah.

Well duh. Thanks for pointing out the obvious. What else could you expect from missionary religions whose main aim is to evangelise and convert the world?

 

[hikersong]

Allah forces you to wear it. Without it, you're on a journey to Hell. I would call that 'being forced.'

I suspect you're speaking about some extreme fundamentalist forms of Islam. There are plenty of muslim women who don't wear the veil. It doesn't make them any less muslim if some other muslims say that they are going to hell.

As a "liberal christian" I would have thought that you'd understand that principle.

(But I agreed with most of the rest of the stuff you said).

 

[Supreme]

I suspect you're speaking about some extreme fundamentalist forms of Islam. There are plenty of muslim women who don't wear the veil. It doesn't make them any less muslim if some other muslims say that they are going to hell.

As a "liberal christian" I would have thought that you'd understand that principle.

(But I agreed with most of the rest of the stuff you said).

We're talking about the Hijab, not the veil or 'Niqab' as it's called in Arabic. Almost every Muslim woman wears the Hijab. Not many wear the Niqab. Never in my post did I refer to the Niqab, but the Hijab. See?

 

[hikersong]

We're talking about the Hijab, not the veil or 'Niqab' as it's called in Arabic. Almost every Muslim woman wears the Hijab. Not many wear the Niqab. Never in my post did I refer to the Niqab, but the Hijab. See?

Source Wikapedia: "Although some countries have enforced the hijab, others have not because of the varying beliefs that it is not mandatory to wear hijab".

Clearly an area of theological debate. Not quite the black or white scenario you were presenting.

 

[Supreme]

Source Wikapedia: "Although some countries have enforced the hijab, others have not because of the varying beliefs that it is not mandatory to wear hijab".

Clearly an area of theological debate. Not quite the black or white scenario you were presenting.

We're not talking about whether countries enforce it. We're talking about whether Islam enforces it. The general consensus amongst Islamic scholars is that the Hijab is mandatory.

 

[hikersong]

We're not talking about whether countries enforce it. We're talking about whether Islam enforces it. The general consensus amongst Islamic scholars is that the Hijab is mandatory.

OK. Very sad if true. Do the majority of scholars say that Allah says that the women who don't wear it will go to hell? Which is what you implied.

Oh, and did you know that the general concensus among Christian Scholars is that a man was born to a virgin roughly 2,000 years ago. And he was God.

Swings and roundabouts really. And for clarity I mean that you can't accept an unprovable statement, and criticise others for accepting an unprovable statement.

 

[ProScribe]

Shouldn't the real question be... Will the real God please stand up? We, mere humans, are rebose with words, but the truth is.. God has to be the one who must show Himself.

G*d is present everywhere.

 

[SithDoughnut]

G*d is present everywhere.

He is very good at hiding then, considering he can't be any of those idols you're not supposed to worship (i.e. pretty much anything).

 

[talitha]

He is very good at hiding then, considering he can't be any of those idols you're not supposed to worship (i.e. pretty much anything).

Interesting you should say that ..... Isaiah 45 says.....

Thus says the LORD, "The products of Egypt and the merchandise of Cush And the Sabeans, men of stature, Will come over to you and will be yours; They will walk behind you, they will come over in chains And will bow down to you; They will make supplication to you: `Surely, God is with you, and there is none else, No other God.' " Truly, You are a God who hides Himself, O God of Israel, Savior! They will be put to shame and even humiliated, all of them; The manufacturers of idols will go away together in humiliation.

Yes, it is only those who seek Him who are promised to find Him......

And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4 in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. (from 2 Corinthians 4)

 

[hikersong]

Yes, it is only those who seek Him who are promised to find Him......

It has been asked many times...what about the ones who seek and don't find?

 

[Wicked Willow]

It has been asked many times...what about the ones who seek and don't find?

The fundamentalist answer is obvious, isn't it?

If GOD said that those who seek shall find, then those who don't find anything obviously haven't really sought to begin with. They must have been pretending, or just making a half-hearted attempt. Very likely, they are too fond of sinning to *truly* desire to know God. In short, those who do not find must be evil hypocrites whom God does not desire among his flock. Clearly, they do not belong to *us*, the Chosen Ones.

The same applies to those who deconvert, of course: they obviously weren't genuine Christians to begin with, as no one who knows the gospel-truth would ever turn away from the One True Religion. We do not associate with such people - they are ungodly.