Question......

[Texas Lynn]

Exactly. God created them male and female. Two kinds of people did
He create. One He made after His own image from the dust of the ground
and the other He created using a rib of the first, as a perfect match for him.
He did not create 5-6 kinds of people.

God created an infinite variety of humans in all manners.

It appears you are confusing gender and sexual orientation.

How do you explain interxes persons? do you view God as incompetent?

 

[IamRedeemed]

Christian honor Jesus Christ. Christian hide the Word of God in their hearts, that they might
not sin against Him. Actually, in response to whom you declare God honors,
it is written that God honors those who honor Him. God draws near to those
who draw near to Him. He resists the proud and gives grace to the humble.

God exists outside of time, therefore "archaic" does not apply to Him. His commands, His
will and His ways and His judgments are not outdated nor can they ever be.

I did not ask you to honor me, pay homage to me, or to answer to me as your authority.
God and His Word is the authority of those who claim to belong to Him. All men regardless
of whose name they come in are subjected, tested and tried by the Word of God.
Any who come preaching another gospel other than the one which Paul preached is
be rejected.

Oh are we nitpicking on whether I used moot or mute? lol Actually I shouldn't laugh
as that is kind of sad. But I will respectfully answer you. Personally I think it is a matter
of preference. I prefer mute over moot.

This is a Christian Forum, not a Fundamentalist Forum. We Christians who believe God honors his LGBT Children and their love have equal access to those of you mired in archaic prejudices.

While your point about social intercourse and ministry has validity, I do not acknowledge any authority by you whatsoever and urge others to do the same.

Can you tell why your last word there is out of place?

 

[IamRedeemed]

Please reveal your source of Scripture for that declaration.

James 1:13-16 (Amplified)
Let no one say when he is tempted, I am tempted from God; for God is incapable of being tempted by [what is] evil and He Himself tempts no one.But every person is tempted when he is drawn away, enticed and baited by his own evil desire (lust, passions).Then the evil desire, when it has conceived, gives birth to sin, and sin, when it is fully matured, brings forth death. Do not be misled, my beloved brethren.


It would be more accurate to say disoriented rather than oriented, as gender
does determine sex. I am not confused or disoriented.

The Bible refers to intersex persons as Eunuchs. Which there is an extremely small percentage of.
As well there are also perfectly formed Eunuchs whom God has given a gift of asexuality to and
all types of natural Eunuchs (not made that way by man for service to the Queen for instance)
are called to service unto God, which includes NO SEX with either sex, but a life of service unto God.

God created an infinite variety of humans in all manners.

It appears you are confusing gender and sexual orientation.

How do you explain interxes persons? do you view God as incompetent?

 

[Texas Lynn]

Christian honor Jesus Christ. Christian hide the Word of God in their hearts, that they might
not sin against Him. Actually, in response to whom you declare God honors,
it is written that God honors those who honor Him. God draws near to those
who draw near to Him. He resists the proud and gives grace to the humble.

God exists outside of time, therefore "archaic" does not apply to Him. His commands, His
will and His ways and His judgments are not outdated nor can they ever be.

I did not ask you to honor me, pay homage to me, or to answer to me as your authority.
God and His Word is the authority of those who claim to belong to Him. All men regardless
of whose name they come in are subjected, tested and tried by the Word of God.
Any who come preaching another gospel other than the one which Paul preached is
be rejected.

Oh are we nitpicking on whether I used moot or mute? lol Actually I shouldn't laugh
as that is kind of sad. But I will respectfully answer you. Personally I think it is a matter
of preference. I prefer mute over moot.

Christians worship Christ, not the Bible.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Please reveal your source of Scripture for that declaration.

I'm not a fundamentalist so I do not do that.

It would be more accurate to say disoriented rather than oriented, as gender

To be LGBT is in no sense to be "disoriented" except to those who are not cognizant of the variances of sexual orientation.

The Bible refers to intersex persons as Eunuchs. Which there is an extremely small percentage of.

As well there are also perfectly formed Eunuchs whom God has given a gift of asexuality to and
all types of natural Eunuchs (not made that way by man for service to the Queen for instance)
are called to service unto God, which includes NO SEX with either sex, but a life of service unto God.

Wrong; a eunuch is a castrato. An intersex person has characteristics of both genders and is totally unrelated to a castrato. In some cases intersex person have been made castratos but are more often given feminine characteristics.

 

[WarEagle]

45966607]No, no. Jesus said NOTHING about the issues of homosexuality (as in sexual orientation) that are being discussed on this forum. Fornication would certainly apply to 'gays' as well as 'straights' but 'homosexuality per se' didn't rate a mention from Jesus. Actually, the act of fornication that Jesus spoke of was aimed at heterosexuals anyway. Check out the context. We might (rightly) apply the same lesson of restraint to homosexuals but Jesus certainly did not refer to them by name. Why not, I wonder?

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All of scripture is the word of God, not just what Jesus said.

People like you seem to like to say "well, if Jesus didn't say it in the Gospels, then it must not be true", but the fact is that even Jesus cited other scriptures and stated that they were the authoritative word of God.

Jesus is one person in the Triune Godhead. The Holy Spirit, another, co-equal person in that same Godhead, inspired the Biblical authors to show that God condemns homosexuality.

 

[IamRedeemed]

Without the Bible, Christians wouldn't even know the name of Christ, much less anything else that God has to say.

No one is worshiping the Bible. It in itself is not a "god" it is the WORD of God.

So, if you reject the Bible as God's love letter to man, and do not believe that it is inspired from the mouth of God through His Holy Spirit, then what do you use as a source of authority, for doctrine, for correction, for exhortation, for instruction in righteousness as a Christian and why do you teach two Bible studies according to your testimony?

2 Timothy 3:16 (Amplified)
Every Scripture is God-breathed (given by His inspiration) and profitable for instruction, for reproof and conviction of sin, for correction of error and discipline in obedience, [and] for training in righteousness (in holy living, in conformity to God's will in thought, purpose, and action)

Christians worship Christ, not the Bible.

 

[IamRedeemed]

Jesus is the Word of God made flesh!
John 1:14

Yes, and even Jesus said that "man shall not live by bread alone but by every word of God."
Another verse says, "by every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God" (Matthew 4:4, and Luke 4:4)

Even satan tried to tempt Jesus, with the Word of God! And Jesus refuted him with the Sword of the Spirit which IS the Word of God.(Ephesians 6:17) The Scripture above is one of the things that Jesus told satan during His temptation. (see the verse 3 and 4 in Luke and Matthew 4)

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All of scripture is the word of God, not just what Jesus said.

People like you seem to like to say "well, if Jesus didn't say it in the Gospels, then it must not be true", but the fact is that even Jesus cited other scriptures and stated that they were the authoritative word of God.

Jesus is one person in the Triune Godhead. The Holy Spirit, another, co-equal person in that same Godhead, inspired the Biblical authors to show that God condemns homosexuality.

 

[IamRedeemed]

TL,

I believe it is more important than anything to be "cognizant" of and attentive to what God has said and is written for us to be able to continue to refer to, if needed, as He is the one who we will all answer to and He is the one whose opinion is the only one that matters. It is better to be found in agreement with God and about our master's business, than to appease men and be about theirs.

 

[Texas Lynn]

So, if you reject the Bible as God's love letter to man, and do not believe that it is inspired from the mouth of God through His Holy Spirit, then what do you use as a source of authority, for doctrine, for correction, for exhortation, for instruction in righteousness as a Christian

Are you familiar with the Anglican "Three-legged stool" and the Weslayan "quadrilateral"?

and why do you teach two Bible studies according to your testimony?

I might need to edit that to correct any distorted impression. In EFM (Education for Ministry, an Episcopal program under University of the South in Sewanee, Tennessee, our leader is a priest but she dones not lord it over the rest of us. We rotate in leading the lessons. The other is a Methodist program that is very informal.

It appears your knowledge of non-fundamentalist Christianity is severely limited.

We believe "The Holy Bible is the rule and guide of faith" for Christians but we do not parse it and seek answers in it for things it does not have the answers to.

You might consider looking at Reading the Bible Again for the First Time: Taking the Bible Seriously but not Literally by Marcus Borg.

 

[Texas Lynn]

The Holy Spirit, another, co-equal person in that same Godhead, inspired the Biblical authors to show that God condemns homosexuality.

Since homosexuality was not even a term before the late 1900s that would not have been possible. What they presented were cultural norms and folkways.

 

[IamRedeemed]

Only the words of which the actions speak of have changed by the modern world.
The meanings/definitions of the words have remained consistent throughout.
Therefore that argument is nullified. God who exists outside of time, whose will,
word and ways do as well, is not subject to culture nor folkways and has also been
consistent regarding such throughout the time of man.

Since homosexuality was not even a term before the late 1900s that would not have been possible. What they presented were cultural norms and folkways.

 

[IamRedeemed]

The point wasn't in the glorification of men, or the non-glorification of men. The point was why do you teach "two Bible Studies" from a source you have adamantly rejected and denied as the source of truth from God's perspective? How do you determine which you receive as truth and which you reject?

My knowledge of the apostasy that is taking place in the Church today is quite extensive actually.

The Scripture is not silent on the subject of sexual immorality either, so where you derived the idea that anyone is "parsing" anything from the Word that the Word does not cover is a non-sequitor or if you prefer, a fallacious argument.

Why would I look to men to refute the Word of God when the Holy Spirit bears witness as did Jesus in His earthly ministry that what we do have IS the Word of God, because if the New Testament did not jive with the OT that Jesus quoted from, one might have a point, but the fact of the matter is to the spiritually minded man the author of Scripture is without doubt, the one and only God almighty from the first words in Genesis to last words in Revelation. There is many pens yes, but only ONE author. The Holy Spirit bears witness of this, which is why it has stood the test of time against all odds and naysayers. Glory be to God!

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Are you familiar with the Anglican "Three-legged stool" and the Weslayan "quadrilateral"?



I might need to edit that to correct any distorted impression. In EFM (Education for Ministry, an Episcopal program under University of the South in Sewanee, Tennessee, our leader is a priest but she dones not lord it over the rest of us. We rotate in leading the lessons. The other is a Methodist program that is very informal.

It appears your knowledge of non-fundamentalist Christianity is severely limited.

We believe "The Holy Bible is the rule and guide of faith" for Christians but we do not parse it and seek answers in it for things it does not have the answers to.

You might consider looking at Reading the Bible Again for the First Time: Taking the Bible Seriously but not Literally by Marcus Borg.

 

[WarEagle]

Since homosexuality was not even a term before the late 1900s that would not have been possible. What they presented were cultural norms and folkways.

Whatever you may think of the word, itself, the practice it describes has been around since the beginning of time and is strongly condemned in scripture.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Only the words of which the actions speak of have changed by the modern world.

Not at all. "Love" in relationships at all is new concept from the Enlightenment. "Courtly Love" of the Medevial times was a practice of playacting between noblewomen and their husband's staffers which were only consummated in rare cases like Guinevere and Lancelot. The lives of most of humanity was always prior to modern times in Hobbes' phrase "nasty, brutish, and short". People back then had no concept of love so much as of power.

The meanings/definitions of the words have remained consistent throughout. Therefore that argument is nullified. God who exists outside of time, whose will, word and ways do as well, is not subject to culture nor folkways and has also been consistent regarding such throughout the time of man.

Not at all. You put your trust in men in whom it is not well-founded. All scripture always has been written for mercenary motives. "God" was not involved. God supercedes authority of mortals all the time.

 

[jamielindas]

and this is why we find it hard to have love and compassion for our christian brethren....

 

[Texas Lynn]

The point wasn't in the glorification of men, or the non-glorification of men.

Now this is getting bizarre.

The point was why do you teach "two Bible Studies" from a source you have adamantly rejected and denied as the source of truth from God's perspective? How do you determine which you receive as truth and which you reject?

Asked and answered.

My knowledge of the apostasy that is taking place in the Church today is quite extensive actually.

Apostacy is always the accusation of choice by those who utterly fail in argument. It is the badge of honor of those to whom it is applied. Orthodoxy is never a desirable nor obtainable state.

 

[Texas Lynn]

and this is why we find it hard to have love and compassion for our christian brethren....

Christians who use obscure scripture to seek to harm their LGBT brothers and sisters commit grievious sins against them.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Whatever you may think of the word, itself, the practice it describes has been around since the beginning of time and is strongly condemned in scripture.

"Practice"? How cruel it is to denigrate another's capacity to love in such a manner. Shame.

 

[WarEagle]

"Practice"? How cruel it is to denigrate another's capacity to love in such a manner. Shame.

"Practice" isn't a bad word. It just means to do something.

I really have no idea how this is "cruel" or what this has to do with one's "capacity to love".