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[frog16]

Not sure where to put this . . . hopefully someone can explain this to me.

Whose morality is being legislated in today's world?

Officials who vote for homosexual rights do so because that position is consistent with their own morality. Their vote imposes thier conception of morality on everyone else, whether they agree or disagree.

So, I guess my main question is: Is it right for Christians to legislate biblical morality for a nation?

 

[redMountian]

Everything a person does should always be consistant with what he/she believes. Otherwise, he/she'd be a hypocrite.

 

[Melethiel]

Moved to Christian Philosophy and Ethics.

 

[Carey]

a healthy nation

 

[billwald]

"Officials who vote for homosexual rights do so because that position is consistent with their own morality."

Maybe they believe that all people should have equal standing before the law.

 

[Stinker]

Not sure where to put this . . . hopefully someone can explain this to me.

Whose morality is being legislated in today's world?

Officials who vote for homosexual rights do so because that position is consistent with their own morality. Their vote imposes thier conception of morality on everyone else, whether they agree or disagree.

So, I guess my main question is: Is it right for Christians to legislate biblical morality for a nation?

Whose morality is being legislated in today's world?

Well, since nearly all legislators are influenced by money nowadays, it is obvious that the world's morality is being legislated. Even if some of those legislators wear the name Christian.
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Is it right for Christians to legislate Biblical morality for a nation?

I would say that in some cases yes, other cases, no.

In a case such as political bribery, which has been ruled legal by the U.S. Supreme Court if it is non-monetary, most of the secular world may even see the need for it. The Christians see it as an evil that is condemned by the Bible: "...Whom have I defrauded? Whom have I oppressed? Or of whose hand have I received any bribe to blind my eyes therewith?" (1Sam.12:3)

"For I know your manifold transgressions and your mighty sins: they afflict the just, they take a bribe , and they turn aside the poor in the gate from their right." (Amos 5:12)

 

[ReformedChapin]

Not sure where to put this . . . hopefully someone can explain this to me.

Whose morality is being legislated in today's world?

Officials who vote for homosexual rights do so because that position is consistent with their own morality. Their vote imposes thier conception of morality on everyone else, whether they agree or disagree.

So, I guess my main question is: Is it right for Christians to legislate biblical morality for a nation?

This is a tough question because even CS LEWIS himself has said that it's hard to expect non-christains to live like christians. The flaw with his argument is that the more we allow sinful behavior to be normalized the more sociaty goes down the drain.

 

[RaddMadd]

Not sure where to put this . . . hopefully someone can explain this to me.

Whose morality is being legislated in today's world?

Officials who vote for homosexual rights do so because that position is consistent with their own morality. Their vote imposes thier conception of morality on everyone else, whether they agree or disagree.

So, I guess my main question is: Is it right for Christians to legislate biblical morality for a nation?

wonderful question!!!!!!!!! of course its right for Christians to legislate biblical morality for a nation. God made the world a certain way, which is called: right. when we don't do it that way, then its called:sin. we must follow what God wants the world to be. thats what is right.

 

[ReformedChapin]

wonderful question!!!!!!!!! of course its right for Christians to legislate biblical morality for a nation. God made the world a certain way, which is called: right. when we don't do it that way, then its called:sin. we must follow what God wants the world to be. thats what is right.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but can you force people to do the right thing? Or should you give them the choice to do it. I'm not speaking in all issues, but in certain ones which wont hurt our social structure.

 

[ROGER459]

(Isaiah 29:13) Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

Man's morality is his way of being good enough, yet not accoding to God's Satandard!

ALL SINNERS NEED A SAVIOUR, CHRIST JESUS!

Thanks, Roger459

 

[billwald]

>Is it right for Christians to legislate biblical morality for a nation?

That's the goal of Reconstructionists. They only include "real" Christians in the ruling class. Not Methodists, Catholics, CofE, Baptists . . . .

 

[Sam Gamgee]

Not sure where to put this . . . hopefully someone can explain this to me.

Whose morality is being legislated in today's world?

Officials who vote for homosexual rights do so because that position is consistent with their own morality. Their vote imposes thier conception of morality on everyone else, whether they agree or disagree.

So, I guess my main question is: Is it right for Christians to legislate biblical morality for a nation?

No, it is not right to me.

But, to those legislators that happened to be the extreme, right-wing Christians, I'm sure it's the right thing to do.

I think that we all do what we think is right... I mean, when you think about it, the extreme members of Islam that flew the planes into the World Trade Center five years ago thought that what they did was right.

We all have our different points of view. That's what makes this world (and this forum) fun and interesting

 

[Maccie]

So, I guess my main question is: Is it right for Christians to legislate biblical morality for a nation?

Well, it depends. Most of Western society is organised along Judeo-Christian lines, without being specifically "religious". And most western societies forbid murder, manslaughter, theft, deliberate injury to someone, torture, slavery, treason, all of which have their origins in the Bible.

But force others to adhere to Christian beliefs, or to adopt Christian standards that are not otherwise covered in what I said above? No. Why should they? Everyone must be equal before the law, and no one should be discriminated against by reason of their nationality, creed, colour, gender, age or sexual orientation.

 

[Grateful4God]

I can't answer this question. I can state however that most of the major problems today can be tied to simple biblical fundimentals not being followed.

In college I did a study on single moms. 65% of the people I interviewed had the child without being married.

Out of that 65%, 65% of those children where either performing badly in school, involved with drugs or got in trouble with the police in one way or the other.

Out of that 65%, an astounishing 92% had no religious influence in their life. (I did not focus on Christianity because this was while I was searching for my faith)

So, there is a trickle down effect when certain morals that many religions practice are ignored.

I am not tieing this directly with homosexuality however.

I do not support homosexuality, but I find it absurd that people would make statements that even a man like Hitler can possibly make it to heaven, but homosexuals will not because they loved the wrong person.

Jesus is all forgiving.

Sorry to get off topic.

 

[crazymichael]

if I am a non-christian or an atheist, what makes you think I should have to follow religious "laws?" I dont think anyone should use their religous influence to make laws forcing others to do what they think is right. I thought our country was about religous freedom, etc... Everyone is supposed to be treated equally, yet because of christianity gays cannot get married or have civil unions or adopt children?

 

[Sam Gamgee]

I thought our country was about religous freedom, etc... Everyone is supposed to be treated equally, yet because of christianity gays cannot get married or have civil unions or adopt children?

It is.... The colonists came to America to escape the religious fanaticism in England. They wanted the freedom to worship as they saw fit, without persecution.

It's interesting to see how, after 400 years, we've become who we were escaping from.

 

[ReformedChapin]

if I am a non-christian or an atheist, what makes you think I should have to follow religious "laws?" I dont think anyone should use their religous influence to make laws forcing others to do what they think is right. I thought our country was about religous freedom, etc... Everyone is supposed to be treated equally, yet because of christianity gays cannot get married or have civil unions or adopt children?

People are to have religious freedoms as long as their right's are within the law. For example I can't make a religion where I can sacrefice people because that would be violating their right to life. But there's nothing in the law that states "gay marrige," you can't violate a right a person doesn't have.

 

[Sam Gamgee]

People are to have religious freedoms as long as their right's are within the law. For example I can't make a religion where I can sacrefice people because that would be violating their right to life. But there's nothing in the law that states "gay marrige," you can't violate a right a person doesn't have.

Gay marriage is 100% legal in Massachusetts

Gay marriage is also 100% legal in several countries around the world.

You can violate a right a person doesn't have. Look at slavery. Black people had no rights during slavery. But, we knew, intrisinctly that their rights were being abused.

Same thing with women. We knew that by not giving them the right to vote that we were violating their rights. And it took a fight to give women the right to vote.

That's what the fight for civil rights is all about... to give a person rights where they had no rights before.

 

[ReformedChapin]

Gay marriage is 100% legal in Massachusetts

Gay marriage is also 100% legal in several countries around the world.

You can violate a right a person doesn't have. Look at slavery. Black people had no rights during slavery. But, we knew, intrisinctly that their rights were being abused.

Same thing with women. We knew that by not giving them the right to vote that we were violating their rights. And it took a fight to give women the right to vote.

That's what the fight for civil rights is all about... to give a person rights where they had no rights before.

Slavery and the unequality of women was violating peoples natural rights and biblical rights...there is no homosexual marrige rights.

 

[Sam Gamgee]

Slavery and the unequality of women was violating peoples natural rights and biblical rights...there is no homosexual marrige rights.

show me in the Bible where it says that slaves deserved freedom and the right to vote and an education?

Show me in the Bible where it said that women deserved the right to vote.

In both cases, the Bible was used to DENY these people their civil rights.