Question on Noah's Ark

[AirPo]

You mean didn't happen naturally?

Musta been a miracle then.That's because science is myopic.

Or fiction. Not considering that possibility is myopic.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

You mean didn't happen naturally?

That it didn't happen at all - natural or otherwise.

Sure, you can argue that all evidence of it was removed and that somehow the earth was restored to pre-flood conditions, to make it look as if no flooding ever happened.

But then you find yourself in Last Thursdayism territory.

 

[AV1611VET]

Such a global flood, makes loads of testable predictions.

Not a single one of the predictions tests succesfully. All of them are utter failures.

What conditions were they testing?

1. Evidently according to science, the most accurate information to use comes from what is called the Epic of Gilgamesh, not the Bible.

2. Evidently according to science, the Flood occurred during the time of the Sumerians, Egypt's 6th dynasty, and China's first.

It's no wonder they can't find it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Or fiction.

You don't see the Bible being sold in the FICTION section, do you?

 

[AirPo]

You don't see the Bible being sold in the FICTION section, do you?

Irrelevant.

 

[AV1611VET]

Sure, you can argue that all evidence of it was removed and that somehow the earth was restored to pre-flood conditions, to make it look as if no flooding ever happened.

Either that, or God cleaned up the mess Himself.

 

[AV1611VET]

Irrelevant.

That simply means a whole major industry treats It like It is not fiction.

 

[Jimmy D]

Either that, or God cleaned up the mess Himself.

And recreated the Egyptian civilization as if nothing happened? Seems like a waste of time..... or a work of fiction.

 

[AirPo]

That simply means a whole major industry treats It like It is not fiction.

Just like the Koran.

 

[The Stamp]

The 170 IQ statement which is true. My brain injury and stroke only effects my memory --- was to compare how dumb I am compared to God's IQ --- that is if it could be measured.

You had a brain injury and you were indoctrinated?

 

[JD16]

Either that, or God cleaned up the mess Himself.

God cleaned up the mess in order to fool the evil atheist scientist? If he left it as it is, we'll all be believers now won't we?

 

[Colter]

To avoid the funneling effect, it would take multiple humans or whatever within a species to gain all that is needed in the first place to reproduce without serious problems. In fact, I think I once heard the same objection raised for Noah's Ark. That being the limit of people on the Ark would cause a funneling effect of DNA. I do not remember the technical term.

The technical term is often illustrated by a bottleneck of too many people trying to go through the same line or door at the same time at a store.

So, how did the limited number of people on Noah's Ark create enough variation to account for the many variations in the human race scientifically speaking?

This question is assuming evolution is true, and that there was not a special creation which would have all the genes or DNA necessary to produce all the types of dogs that exists today.

Young Earth Creationists would often answer this question by claiming that one pair of dogs on the Ark had all the kinds or types of dogs in their DNA or genes.

Personally, I simply admit that I do not have an answer. And, this is one of the many questions, I have put on the back burner to ask God about when I get to heaven. Since, my mere 170 IQ is no where near that of God, I have no problem waiting for him to answer when I get there.

Note: A local flood position would not have this problem since other humans and animals could survive where there was not a local flood.

The flood legend was a genealogical devise used by the Hebrew priest who rewrote and exaggerated the Old Testament books in Babylon. They were trying to trace their bloodlines back to the Adam of Mesopotamian lore. We learned in the Urantia Revelation that their really was a Noah but he and his family and their farm animals survived a much smaller localized flood because he built his house in boat fashion due to his wisdom about the annual floods. He continually warned the neighboring settlements in the region of the 2 rivers about the periodic deluges of old but they didn't head his warnings.

Its a funny thing but the same people who reject evolution have no problem with the world and even different races of people rapidly evolving after Noah's flood. I like the one about how kangaroos hoped all the way to Australia but left no traces of their travels.

 

[AV1611VET]

And recreated the Egyptian civilization as if nothing happened?

The Egyptians came from Mizraim, Noah's grandson.

Genesis 10:6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.

 

[AV1611VET]

Just like the Koran.

Yes ... just like they do the Koran.

 

[AV1611VET]

God cleaned up the mess in order to fool the evil atheist scientist?

No.

He cleaned it up for sanitary & safety reasons.

If he left it as it is, we'll all be believers now won't we?

No.

We wouldn't exist.

Noah and his family would have starved to death (no plants anywhere); assuming they didn't sink the mire first and suffocate ... or die of germs from rotting corpses.

 

[JD16]

No.

He cleaned it up for sanitary & safety reasons.No.

We wouldn't exist.

Noah and his family would have starved to death (no plants anywhere); assuming they didn't sink the mire first and suffocate ... or die of germs from rotting corpses.

So he cleaned up the mess, left no trace of a global flood, but arrange it in such a way that shows us otherwise? Can anyone blame the atheist for not believing then? Since its written in his holy book and we see no evidence of such an event?

 

[The Stamp]

That simply means a whole major industry treats It like It is not fiction.

Religions are sometimes in a subsection of fiction, voodoo or Vodou is just one of an estimated 10,000 distinct religions worldwide. About 84% of the world's population is affiliated with one of the five largest religions, namely Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism or forms of folk religion, who would have thought that so many people could be so wrong about something? each believer is convinced that there is evidence for the one God that they believe in and no evidence for all of the others Gods they don't believe in.

 

[AV1611VET]

So he cleaned up the mess,

Affirmative.

... left no trace of a global flood,

Other than white cliffs and meandering streams ... I'll take your word for it.

... but arrange it in such a way that shows us otherwise?

The technical term for that is called "cleaning up the mess."

Can anyone blame the atheist for not believing then?

Yes, I will.

Since its written in his holy book and we see no evidence of such an event?

Let's put it this way: no evidence they're willing to accept.

 

[AV1611VET]

Religions are sometimes in a subsection of fiction, voodoo or Vodou is just one of an estimated 10,000 distinct religions worldwide.

Wow.

About 84% of the world's population is affiliated with one of the five largest religions, namely Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism or forms of folk religion,

That first one on your list there (Christianity) can be treated like a religion, or it can be treated like a relationship.

We independent fundamental Baptists probably make up 1% of the world's population and not affiliated with the 'five largest religions' at all.

... who would have thought that so many people could be so wrong about something like Gods?

I?

... each believer is convinced that there is evidence for the one God that they believe in and no evidence for all of the others Gods they don't believe in.

I know.

We refer to those people collectively as a "mission field."

 

[JD16]

Other than white cliffs and meandering streams ... I'll take your word for it.

White cliffs and meandering streams are signs of a global flood??? Ooook then...

Yes, I will.

Hangs my head in shame

put it this way: no evidence they're willing to accept.

Do you really believe that there is a worldwide conspiracy against YEC???