question on alcohol and sin etc

[Psalm 27]

I guess I would ask why you feel guilty about drinking alcohol? Jesus turned the water into wine, that is good enough for me. Drunkenness' is a different story, it will hurt you physically, mentally, and spiritually.

A Theology lecturer taught that wine in Jesus day would have been much lower in alcohol, almost like grape juice.

I can only speak for myself, but I did a lot of stupid things under the influence of alcohol. Things I’m pretty sure I would never have done, had I been sober.
If I had drunk Wine in moderation, I wouldn’t have felt guilty at all.

 

[RBPerry]

I find it interesting that someone could even guess at the alcohol content of the wines in biblical times. Today wine making is a science, everything from soil content, weather, irrigation and time of fermentation effects the quality of the wine. Not only that one can make wine out of other fruits than grapes. Actually peach wine is fantastic, not sure what the alcohol content is in peach wine. I think the average is about 12% alcohol in todays wines.
Moderation is the key to everything when it comes to what foods and drinks we consume.

 

[GreekOrthodox]

A Theology lecturer taught that wine in Jesus day would have been much lower in alcohol, almost like grape juice.

I can only speak for myself, but I did a lot of stupid things under the influence of alcohol. Things I’m pretty sure I would never have done, had I been sober.
If I had drunk Wine in moderation, I wouldn’t have felt guilty at all.

Typical wines run from 10-15% although they can go as low at 5% and as high as 20% depending on the variety of grape. In biblical times, the only way to stop the fermentation process would have been to heat the wine to around 150F. Today, you can cold shock the must or add additional alcohol. Otherwise, yeast begins to die once the alcohol content above 16%. Back in Roman times, it was typical to water down wine to avoid drunkenness.

BTW, during part of my chemical engineering career, I designed distilled fuel alcohol plants so I became familiar with the fermentation process.

 

[angelsaroundme]

My body hates it when I drink a lot. I feel so disgusting and awful that it's hardly a temptation at all.

 

[RBPerry]

My body hates it when I drink a lot. I feel so disgusting and awful that it's hardly a temptation at all.

Let me give you a lesson out of cognitive therapy, "Doc, I feel awful when I drink a lot". Doc "Then don't drink a lot."

 

[RBPerry]

Typical wines run from 10-15% although they can go as low at 5% and as high as 20% depending on the variety of grape. In biblical times, the only way to stop the fermentation process would have been to heat the wine to around 150F. Today, you can cold shock the must or add additional alcohol. Otherwise, yeast begins to die once the alcohol content above 16%. Back in Roman times, it was typical to water down wine to avoid drunkenness.

BTW, during part of my chemical engineering career, I designed distilled fuel alcohol plants so I became familiar with the fermentation process.

Watering down wine, that sounds terrible to ruin good wine that way.

 

[angelsaroundme]

Let me give you a lesson out of cognitive therapy, "Doc, I feel awful when I drink a lot". Doc "Then don't drink a lot."

Good advice. It's not really worth it to me. I'd rather spend the money on anything else.

 

[GreekOrthodox]

Watering down wine, that sounds terrible to ruin good wine that way.

I will occasionally water down my wine, but in general, I agree.

The wine that we use for communion is about a 50%/50% wine / hot water mix.

 

[RBPerry]

Good advice. It's not really worth it to me. I'd rather spend the money on anything else.

A bottle of wine will last me a week or more. Never more than a small glass with dinner. Everything in moderation.

 

[Psalm 27]

I find it interesting that someone could even guess at the alcohol content of the wines in biblical times. Today wine making is a science, everything from soil content, weather, irrigation and time of fermentation effects the quality of the wine. Not only that one can make wine out of other fruits than grapes. Actually peach wine is fantastic, not sure what the alcohol content is in peach wine. I think the average is about 12% alcohol in todays wines.
Moderation is the key to everything when it comes to what foods and drinks we consume.

Well, our lecturer was a Theological genius.... fermenting wine is like a long drawn-out scientific process, isn’t it amazing then, that Jesus changed six pots of water into wine, in a split second?

Almost makes me wonder why He took as long as six days to created the universe

 

[RBPerry]

Well, our lecturer was a Theological genius.... fermenting wine is like a long drawn-out scientific process, isn’t it amazing then, that Jesus changed six pots of water into wine, in a split second?

Almost makes me wonder why He took as long as six days to created the universe

I think most of us find the things Jesus did amazing, ever try walking on water.
Well we know the universe took much longer than six days, actually millions of years, that is a scientific fact. If your genius theologian believes in the six day creation he isn't a genius. There are some problems with literal interpretation of the bible, but no problems from the spiritual interpretation.

 

[Psalm 27]

I think most of us find the things Jesus did amazing, ever try walking on water.
Well we know the universe took much longer than six days, actually millions of years, that is a scientific fact. If your genius theologian believes in the six day creation he isn't a genius. There are some problems with literal interpretation of the bible, but no problems from the spiritual interpretation.

Millions of years? “If they do not believe Moses and the prophets, they will not be persuaded even though One rises from the dead” Luke 16:31

 

[RBPerry]

Millions of years? “If they do not believe Moses and the prophets, they will not be persuaded even though One rises from the dead” Luke 16:31

Let me give you an example, we know many planets are actually millions of light years away. The light we can see from them took millions of years to get to earth. The Catholic church taught that the earth was flat for hundreds of years. They are the ones that gave us the bible we have today, think about it. There is a big difference between prophetic messages that the old and new Testaments have given us and have proven accurate, and the creation story that we know Moses wasn't around during the creation process. So where did these stories come from?

 

[RBPerry]

Didn't mean to double post.

 

[d taylor]

Well, our lecturer was a Theological genius.... fermenting wine is like a long drawn-out scientific process, isn’t it amazing then, that Jesus changed six pots of water into wine, in a split second?

Almost makes me wonder why He took as long as six days to created the universe

Have you ever seen this verse preachers never really use it.

For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon.’ The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Look, a glutton and a winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ But wisdom is justified by all her children.”

 

[d taylor]

I think most of us find the things Jesus did amazing, ever try walking on water.
Well we know the universe took much longer than six days, actually millions of years, that is a scientific fact. If your genius theologian believes in the six day creation he isn't a genius. There are some problems with literal interpretation of the bible, but no problems from the spiritual interpretation.

Looks like you are going to have a big surprise one day.

 

[LonelyAdams]

i know there is a bible verse hebrews 10:26 says if we keep sinning purposely we lose salvation or something


so if i drink alcohol and do feel its wrong but want to quit but keep drinking will i lose my salvation because im going against conviction? or will the lord punish me


please honest help and answers

Drinking isn't a sin, Jesus drank, the apostles drank. However getting drunk is a sin.

God will always accept you when you come back to him though.

 

[Psalm 27]

Such as some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified...

Praise Jesus for His deliverance (and forgiveness)