Question for those who have some grasp of physics...

[Atlantians]

Be careful boy, I might know more than you think.


Supersting is the only theory that dovetails into Quantum Physics now.

You don't know me, and I will take you to task, and apart if you go further.

My last quest for truth came at the end of the best physics of the absolute best minds in all this planet.

So I stand here and defy you to your face.

I know a thing or two here!

What are you talking about?
I was mearly pointing out that superstring theory has no basis in evidence as of yet, so is more a hypothesis than a theory.

The fact that you called me boy shows a great deal of pride and destain for anyone who would dare defy your views especially if they are younger than you are.
And what are you defying?

she wasn't saying that plasma is fire, but rather that the ancient medieval concept of the four elements earth, air, water, and fire could be seen to correspond to our concept of the four states of matter, in which case the element of fire would correspond to the idea of plasma state of matter.

I also was not saying that spirit is air, or breath, but rather that the hebrew word spirit can also mean wind and breath, thus linking conceptually or analogously the ideas of spirit, to those of air.

Nor was I saying that you were saying that spirit was breath or air. But rather I was reffuting the idea that faith is linked directly to wind or the like.
That the very breath of our words have power is what I was reffuting.

As for the four elements, whether they corrospond or not, they do not corrospond well. Because plasma is not necassarily warm, while fire is.
Plasma is simply ionized gas. Fire is a chemical reaction of releasing heat.

 

[Simon_Templar]

I don't know about the breath behind words having power, but words do have power.

As to wether its the idea behind the word, or the breath which breaths the word, or the combination of both, who can say.

I am merely looking at interesting analogies which can be drawn from scripture relating to creation and the fabric or nature of the universe.

 

[Atlantians]

I don't know about the breath behind words having power, but words do have power.

As to wether its the idea behind the word, or the breath which breaths the word, or the combination of both, who can say.

I am merely looking at interesting analogies which can be drawn from scripture relating to creation and the fabric or nature of the universe.

Where in the Bible do words themselves have Power?
We as humans have no power. It is only by trusting God that anything spiritually good occurs. And he is the cause and controller of such spiritual power.

 

[knownbeforetime]

she wasn't saying that plasma is fire, but rather that the ancient medieval concept of the four elements earth, air, water, and fire could be seen to correspond to our concept of the four states of matter, in which case the element of fire would correspond to the idea of plasma state of matter.

I also was not saying that spirit is air, or breath, but rather that the hebrew word spirit can also mean wind and breath, thus linking conceptually or analogously the ideas of spirit, to those of air.

What he said... I'd have to be a complete moron to actually believe that plasma = fire. It's just an interesting analogy...

 

[KleinerApfel]

Where in the Bible do words themselves have Power?

We as humans have no power. It is only by trusting God that anything spiritually good occurs. And he is the cause and controller of such spiritual power.

Words have power - God spoke and everything happened!

Then He spoke and handed us a huge amount of authority.

And the first thing Adam did with that was to speak - naming the creatures he was responsible for.

And Jesus IS the Word.

I believe that shows the authority of words - both God's and ours.

Gen. 1:
3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.

Gen. 1:
27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

Gen. 2:
19 Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.
20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field.

John 1:

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.
3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men.
5 The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.

1 John:
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life.
2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us.

 

[Atlantians]

What he said... I'd have to be a complete moron to actually believe that plasma = fire. It's just an interesting analogy...

My point is that fire and Plasma are not intellectually analogyable... if that is a word.. which I doubt.

 

[Atlantians]

Words have power - God spoke and everything happened!

Then He spoke and handed us a huge amount of authority.

And the first thing Adam did with that was to speak - naming the creatures he was responsible for.

And Jesus IS the Word.

I believe that shows the authority of words - both God's and ours.


Gen. 1:
3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.

Gen. 1:
27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

Gen. 2:
19 Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.
20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field.

John 1:

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.
3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men.
5 The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.

1 John:
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life.
2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us.

You are missing the implication of the words.
Speaking is passing information. That is the idea.
God did not physically speak of course. He is a spirit. He passed his infinite information into being through his creative power.

And the "naming of the beasts" is to show that man is above animals. The actual names are unimportant, or the fact that he 'spoke' the names.
Eve was always able to bear children, not just because Adam called her Eve meaning bearer of life(I think, but her name means something like that).

Edit:
PS: Sheesh I keep double posting... thats what I hget for posting half asleep, I forgot that I had just posted.

 

[knownbeforetime]

My point is that fire and Plasma are not intellectually analogyable... if that is a word.. which I doubt.

I was just thinking that since air is a gas, earth is solid, water is liguid, and that fire is really hot... That it goes well together...

 

[TreeOfLife]

What are you talking about?
I was mearly pointing out that superstring theory has no basis in evidence as of yet, so is more a hypothesis than a theory.

That's just not true. Superstring Theory is mathmatically theorized, therefore; more than a hypothesis.

That's how it works. Once evidence is obtained it becomes Physical "law" if it dovetails with the original theory and predicted experimental results are obtained and repeatable.

 

[KleinerApfel]

You are missing the implication of the words.

I don't think so. But you're entitled to disagree with me.

(I've been practicing disagreeing in the other thread - was that OK? )

 

[Simon_Templar]

Atlantians,

I generally don't get all psyched up about the power of positive confession and things like that, because as with everything, it can be taken too far. However, Faith without confession is not faith. Faith that is not confessed through word AND deed is powerless.
Life and Death are in the power of the tongue, With the heart you believe unto righteousness, but with your mouth you confess unto salvation.

The bible through out from one end to the other, supports and portrays the idea that names are destinies. God directed people to be named because the name was their destiny.. Likewise God changed people's names because their name was their destiny.

All the 'spiritual' issues asside, there is immense psychological power in language and the use of language.