well sir that would not be a failure on Jesus part, but a failure on our part not to enter in the victory that has already been provided.For some people what you experienced is what they experience and for some it is not. Some Christians die without overcoming all of their addictions, not least being their addiction to sin.
Yes he was......Lot was said to be yanked out of Sodom in a nod to rapture.
Babylon of Revelation 17-18 was Jerusalem/unfaithful IsraelIn Rev 11:8 Jerusalem is called Sodom because it is where, when Jesus died and arose from the dead He completely wiped out sin as He did in Sodom when He completely destroyed it by fire and brimstone. Analysis of the ashen remains of Sodom, which was rediscovered by Wyatt Archeological Research, has shown that this comparison is accurate since they could not reignite the ashen remains that they recovered from the site of Gomorrah.
Jerusalem is mystically called Egypt because when Jesus died and arose from the dead in Jerusalem He released us from the captivity of death as He by His power alone released Israel, which symbolizes Christians, from captivity in Egypt.
Rev. 11:8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which mystically is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.
Bro. James D Albright
Jerusalem - mystery Babylon because of Revelation 11:8?Who is the woman on the beast in Revelation 17-18?
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The woman is the great city
Revelation 17:18
And the woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”
A.)the great city is Jerusalem
Revelation 11:8
Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city—figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where their Lord was also crucified.
B.) Peter states that the church in Jerusalem, is in Babylon.
1 Peter 5:13
She who is at Babylon, who is likewise chosen, sends you greetings, and so does Mark, my son.
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Punishment for the woman in Revelation 17-18
A.)God uses the beast and 10 horns to desolate the woman, who is unfaithful Jerusalem.
Revelation 17:16-17
And the ten horns and the beast that you saw will hate the prostitute. They will leave her desolate and naked, and will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17For God has put it into their hearts to carry out His purpose by uniting to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled.
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Why was the woman punished?
A.) she killed the saint of Jesus
Revelation 17:6
could see that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints and of the witnesses for Jesus. And I was greatly astonished at the sight of her.
B.) She killed the prophets and saints
Revelation 18:24
And there was found in her the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who had been slain on the earth.
C.) Her sins were piled to heaven
Revelation 18:5
For her sins are piled up to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.
D.) She had been immoral with other nations
Revelation 18:3
All the nations have drunkc the wine of the passion of her immorality.
The kings of the earth were immoral with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown wealthy through the extravagance of her luxury.”
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When did her punishment occur?
When Jesus said it would, on the generation of his audience:
matthew 23:35
And so upon you will come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36Truly I tell you, all these things will come upon this generation.
Revelation 18:24
And there was found in her the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who had been slain on the earth.
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The woman was unfaithful Jerusalem (israel), who was made desolate by the roman armies because of all the righteous blood it had spilled.
===============================8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Revelation 11:8 obviously refers to Jerusalem. But does that verse imply that Jerusalem, is mystery Babylon the Great?
Let's take a look at that verse a little more carefully.
Remember John was living in the first century and he was writing to the churches at that time, all that he experienced and wrote down in Revelation.
What was Jerusalem like at that time? The religious establishment had rejected Jesus and were non-too fond of the church that had sprang up afterward. Which I think John was saying to his generation who would relate that condition to Jerusalem in his day, was like Sodom and Egypt.
Revelation 11:8 is not talking about Jerusalem being like Sodom and Egypt in the end times, but
Jerusalem of the Pharisees and Sadducee's in his day, being like Sodom and Egypt.
Think of John reporting to a church congregation of his day, the words he is saying in Revelation 11:8. They would relate. It is not intended to be a condition of Jerusalem in the end times. The two witnesses's bodies laying dead in the streets of Jerusalem is end times, but not the called Sodom and Egypt. That part was in John's day.
Go read Genesis 1 and prove me wrong. Show me the verses that show me i am wrong.
well sir that would not be a failure on Jesus part, but a failure on our part not to enter in the victory that has already been provided.
gradyll said: ↑
The one purpose for christianity is to overcome the power of sin. When we overcome addiction, we testify to the power of the gospel. It allows us to associate with others weakness and point them to the transformational power of Jesus. To the person who is still addicted, after being a christian. That is only a matter of time. It took me twenty years to overcome some addiction. But ninety percent of my addictions were healed in one year, after rededicating to the Lord. And submitting to His Lordship. The same power that raised Christ from the dead is alive in us. And will change our lives to the better, if we allow it to.
GingerBeer said: ↑
For some people what you experienced is what they experience and for some it is not. Some Christians die without overcoming all of their addictions, not least being their addiction to sin.
gradyll said: ↑
well sir that would not be a failure on Jesus part, but a failure on our part not to enter in the victory that has already been provided.
That is a pretty bold statement CL.Yes, many calling themselves "Christians" have never been born again of the Spirit where the victory lies within. I was a "Christian" going to church for 30 years before I was born again and filled with the Spirit of Christ. Wow, what a difference having a new nature makes.
That is a pretty bold statement CL.
So you can discern a real Christian from a non-real Christian? What is your criteria for that?
No argument with that..........Jesus, the great I AM!Power over sin. We are free from the desire to sin. But only God knows the heart. We have to examine ourselves so we will not be judged.
GingerBeer said: ↑
For some people what you experienced is what they experience and for some it is not. Some Christians die without overcoming all of their addictions, not least being their addiction to sin.
gradyll said: ↑
well sir that would not be a failure on Jesus part, but a failure on our part not to enter in the victory that has already been provided.
CharismaticLady said: ↑
Yes, many calling themselves "Christians" have never been born again of the Spirit where the victory lies within. I was a "Christian" going to church for 30 years before I was born again and filled with the Spirit of Christ. Wow, what a difference having a new nature makes.
LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
That is a pretty bold statement CL.
So you can discern a real Christian from a non-real Christian? What is your criteria for that
Ok. So with that criteria, can you identify any "so called" Christians on this forum, or anywhere else, that are "non-real/so called" Christians?Power over sin. We are free from the desire to sin. But only God knows the heart. We have to examine ourselves so we will not be judged.
Ok. So with that criteria, can you identify any "so called" Christians on this forum, or anywhere else, that are "non-real/so called" Christians?
"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[fn] nor sodomites,"That is a pretty bold statement CL.
So you can discern a real Christian from a non-real Christian? What is your criteria for that?
Paul is prophesying about what will happen at the Great White Throne Judgment, after the Millennium. Revelation 20:11-15“Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed” (1Co 15:51-52).
You are forgetting that not even one Old Testament prophecy even mentioned the idea that Messiah would come more than just one time. But the Old Testament showed He was coming more than once by presenting apparent contradictions in the accounts of what He would do.But, the second coming is also an "appearance". If it was as you think and the second coming is later, don't you think Hebrews 9 would also mention that? One thing about your beliefs is that there is nowhere in Scripture where both are mentioned as two separate occurrences plainly taught in the same teaching. Don't you think if you are going to curse people who are not afraid to die for Christ, and you are, you might want to look at yourself? If by chance, I am right and you have to go through the Great Tribulation because God thinks you are weak and need to stand up and be counted, you might very well save yourself and take the mark of the beast, thinking God lied to you?
God's wrath is the lake of fire, not tribulation.
Preface: I'm of the mind that there is no rapture. But I was wondering for those who believe in one, can you provide Old Testament proof that God or anyone else spoke of it? In Amos, it's said that God doesn't do anything except He reveal it to the prophets first. And please, if you're going to post, you can respond with something better than an abstract bit in Genesis where it's said that Enoch was taken up. OK? Thanks!
You are forgetting that not even one Old Testament prophecy even mentioned the idea that Messiah would come more than just one time. But the Old Testament showed He was coming more than once by presenting apparent contradictions in the accounts of what He would do.
When you START posting your own opinions, instead of those of whatever "teacher' you currently fins attractive, MAYBE a few people will START examining your posts.The event is described at the end of 1 Thessalonians chapter 4, and the timing of the event is found at the beginning of chapter 5.
The words "we" and "sleep" in 1 Thessalonians 5:10 prove the two chapters are connected.
Former Pre-tribber Steven Straub produced the following proof for YouTube. He is author of the book "Changed".
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It means a transportation to another location on earth, as Matthew 24:31 says.When you say you don't believe in a rapture, what exactly is it that you think 1 Thessalonians 4:17 is depicting then?
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
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