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skylark1 said:
Ok, why the difference in age for a mission between boys and girls? Does the LDS Church believe that a 21 year old girl has the same level of maturity as a 19 year old boy?

Also, if a mission is a commandment for boys, why did the LDS Church "raise the bar" for missionaries recently? Why prevent some from going, if they are commanded to go?
The Sisters have the maturity issue hands down, for the most part. Some Elders are up there.

It has been observed that the young men are not as well prepared as in years past. Probably due to the immensity of distractions that are served on a silver platter in this age. TV programs, Gameboy, Internet and such are robbing them of time once spent in studies and more meaningful activities. Unfortunately virtues are also compromised, which has a drastic affect on missionary effectiveness. The young men, and their parents are being reminded of the basics that must be learned and applied, so the bar was raised.

Apparantly, many young men rationalized that "sin now, repent before the mission" was a working formula. That is not the Spirit of the gospel, and if that is their concept, they certainly would not be effective in teaching the gospel.

So the commandment to go requires an appreciation for the commandments of God. Keeping God's commandments is integral with the commandment of going on a mission.
 
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fatboys said:
FB: I think it is 21. If a girl has the desire to go on a mission, then they can. But it is not a commandment as it is with the boys.
fatboys, I was told, by lds, that the reason women have to wait until 21 to go on an lds mission is because the church wants them to use the time before that to find a mate and marry.

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Frankie said:
fatboys, I was told, by lds, that the reason women have to wait until 21 to go on an lds mission is because the church wants them to use the time before that to find a mate and marry.

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Well what you were told is wrong. They are not required to go on missions. Usually by twentyone a person has time to complete college, and if their desire is to continue in education, they can. If they want to go on a mission they can. There is never been any statement by any church leader to indicate that a woman must be married by 21 or go on a mission. President Hinckley made a statement a few years ago that clarified this. He said that males are commanded to be worthy to go on missions and then go. Women have the option of education, work, etc. If they want to go on missions they can.
 
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fatboys said:
Well what you were told is wrong. They are not required to go on missions. Usually by twentyone a person has time to complete college, and if their desire is to continue in education, they can. If they want to go on a mission they can. There is never been any statement by any church leader to indicate that a woman must be married by 21 or go on a mission. President Hinckley made a statement a few years ago that clarified this. He said that males are commanded to be worthy to go on missions and then go. Women have the option of education, work, etc. If they want to go on missions they can.
Why does the church give the women the extra time for college and such but not the men? Aren't the men told to go on missions right when they are 19 and come home from the mission and marry? That doesn't seem to leave any time for them to get an education to provide for their families. I remember reading something from one of the lds prophets that said that a man should marry within 6 months of coming home from a mission because if he doesn't, he is a menace to society or something to that effect.

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Frankie said:
Why does the church give the women the extra time for college and such but not the men? Aren't the men told to go on missions right when they are 19 and come home from the mission and marry? That doesn't seem to leave any time for them to get an education to provide for their families. I remember reading something from one of the lds prophets that said that a man should marry within 6 months of coming home from a mission because if he doesn't, he is a menace to society or something to that effect.

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FB: Brigham Young had a sense of humor as did other prophets. Men who come home from a mission who have not had the company of women are a menace to society. I was home two years before I married. That is usually the time. My best friend was home over ten years. I had three brothers who went on missions and they were about two years average. Oldest brother was about a year and a half, but the next one took four years. Steve Young jokingly said he was a menace and he was older before he got married. My sisters were about 23 when they got married. None of them went on missions. There is no mandate.
 
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fatboys said:
President Hinckley made a statement a few years ago that clarified this. He said that males are commanded to be worthy to go on missions and then go. Women have the option of education, work, etc. If they want to go on missions they can.
FB,

Did President Hinckley issue a commandment that males must be worthy to go on a mission, and then go? Or was it his opinion that this is what they should do? If it is considered a commandment, is it found in one of your four standard works?


Thanks.
 
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skylark1 said:
FB,

Did President Hinckley issue a commandment that males must be worthy to go on a mission, and then go? Or was it his opinion that this is what they should do? If it is considered a commandment, is it found in one of your four standard works?


Thanks.

FB: That is a good one. The Lord through a prophet said that every worthy young male should go on a mission. If they were not worthy, to make themselves worthy. Of course this was already stated in the D&C, but I believe every most prophets have reiterated it as a call to server the Lord. So I don't think it would be necessary to place it into the canon. It is already there, and Prophets just remind us.
 
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fatboys said:
FB: That is a good one. The Lord through a prophet said that every worthy young male should go on a mission. If they were not worthy, to make themselves worthy. Of course this was already stated in the D&C, but I believe every most prophets have reiterated it as a call to server the Lord. So I don't think it would be necessary to place it into the canon. It is already there, and Prophets just remind us.
Where in the D&C is it commanded that every "worthy" LDS male serve a mission?

I am curious because some LDS that I know seemed to imply that while they think that it is good to serve a mission, that it is a personal choice, not a commandment.
 
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Frankie said:
Why does the church give the women the extra time for college and such but not the men? Aren't the men told to go on missions right when they are 19 and come home from the mission and marry? That doesn't seem to leave any time for them to get an education to provide for their families. I remember reading something from one of the lds prophets that said that a man should marry within 6 months of coming home from a mission because if he doesn't, he is a menace to society or something to that effect.

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We do NOT have a prophet who has ever said that. It is recommended that a young man in our church who so desires to go on a mission to leave at the age of 19. No one is told and no one is forced. It's if they desire and choose to serve a 2 year mission.. it is their choice. Most Mormon men are college graduates, and provide very well for their familles. Again, no one is TOLD when to marry. The church doesn't say "Once you get off your mission come home and marry right away"! The church recommends marriage sometime after your mission, but it is not a requirement.
 
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Krystina661 said:
We do NOT have a prophet who has ever said that. It is recommended that a young man in our church who so desires to go on a mission to leave at the age of 19. No one is told and no one is forced. It's if they desire and choose to serve a 2 year mission.. it is their choice. Most Mormon men are college graduates, and provide very well for their familles. Again, no one is TOLD when to marry. The church doesn't say "Once you get off your mission come home and marry right away"! The church recommends marriage sometime after your mission, but it is not a requirement.
How do you know that most lds men are college graduates? I find that statement hard to believe especially since such a big number of lds converts come from poor and humble backgrounds. Can you please post your statistics for this and the source of them? I highly doubt that even half of the lds men are college graduates that are able to provide well for their family. The majority of lds I have known in my life are not well to do at all but rather have large families and small incomes in comparison. Where do you get your statistics that most lds men are college graduates that are able to provide well for their families?

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Frankie said:
How do you know that most lds men are college graduates? I find that statement hard to believe especially since such a big number of lds converts come from poor and humble backgrounds. Can you please post your statistics for this and the source of them? I highly doubt that even half of the lds men are college graduates that are able to provide well for their family. The majority of lds I have known in my life are not well to do at all but rather have large families and small incomes in comparison. Where do you get your statistics that most lds men are college graduates that are able to provide well for their families?

Frankie


I have known Mormons my entire life and granted I don't have statistics so I don't really want to get into a debate over that BUT all LDS families that I've ever been around have always lived in nice homes, driven nice cars, children most of the time always seemed to have college funds, and Mormon women that I knew were house wife's and able to live this way and stay home on just one income from their husbands. I don't know a lot of these peoples personal incomes, it could be that they are more well off because they do live a different lifestyle than a lot of people. No drinking, no smoking, no drugs, no gambling ect.. All of this enables a person to live better..

Also, it's obvious you don't have statistics, your going by what you have seen, so maybe we live in different types of areas..

But granted I'm very blessed and live in a high income area..
 
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Krystina661 said:
I have known Mormons my entire life and granted I don't have statistics so I don't really want to get into a debate over that BUT all LDS families that I've ever been around have always lived in nice homes, driven nice cars, children most of the time always seemed to have college funds, and Mormon women that I knew were house wife's and able to live this way and stay home on just one income from their husbands. I don't know a lot of these peoples personal incomes, it could be that they are more well off because they do live a different lifestyle than a lot of people. No drinking, no smoking, no drugs, no gambling ect.. All of this enables a person to live better..

Also, it's obvious you don't have statistics, your going by what you have seen, so maybe we live in different types of areas..

But granted I'm very blessed and live in a high income area..
So you made a general statement about the income and educational level of all mormons based upon the fact that you live in a high income area?

Sloppy thinking. Very sloppy thinking.

If I were to look at income and educational statistics I would be surprised to find that there is not a normal distribution like you see across the nation among different people.

And, I am sure you would be very upset if I made the generalization that mormons nationwide need some type of anti depressant because of the high level of those pills perscribed in Utah.
 
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I wasn't sloppy, I was saying that most of the Mormons I know are this way and that happens to be true. I never quoted statistics or anything, and it has not only been in my area, I have lived in NYC, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, and have been to Utah numerous times. So, FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN, and who I have known, most the families are very well off.
 
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Wrigley said:
And, I am sure you would be very upset if I made the generalization that mormons nationwide need some type of anti depressant because of the high level of those pills perscribed in Utah.


Gimme a break.. You don't know what your talking about..
 
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Krystina661 said:
I wasn't sloppy, I was saying that most of the Mormons I know are this way and that happens to be true. I never quoted statistics or anything, and it has not only been in my area, I have lived in NYC, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, and have been to Utah numerous times. So, FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN, and who I have known, most the families are very well off.
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Krystina661 said:
Gimme a break.. You don't know what your talking about..
More sloppy thinking. You missed my point. Totally.

Go back to my post. Think about what I wrote. Maybe then you'll see the point I was making.
 
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Wrigley said:
More sloppy thinking. You missed my point. Totally.

Go back to my post. Think about what I wrote. Maybe then you'll see the point I was making.

You know what, I did miss your point and I re-read what you said. I was reading it to fast. Sorry.
 
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Krystina661 said:
We do NOT have a prophet who has ever said that.
I believe that Steve Young brought this up, that Bro. Brigham made some statement about young men not being married, and Steve was single and pushing 40 at the time.

I looked it up on Infobases, nothing there.
 
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