Question for evolutionists

[jamie4418]

I'd disagree... if you were to visit the aquarium and accidentally fall into the shark tank, it's a safe bet the sharks would "dominate" you... into bloody red chunks.

Most of the animals on Earth are dominant over us in their own natural environment... the trick is, we've learned over time to change the environment to take away their advantage. But there are limits... it still doesn't do you a whole lot of good if you fall into the shark tank.

You are Christian, and you don't believe mankind has dominion over the earth like the Bible says?

It seems pretty clear to most people what it says about man's dominion over the earth.

 

[jamie4418]

You do understand that evolutionists include Christians, Born Again Christians, Christians who got it right the first time, Hindus, Atheists, Agnostics, Muslims, Pastafarians, Wiccans and a whole lot more.

Since most of the above probably belive in right and wrong and I suspect you do to, does that make you an evolutionist?

I'm talking about atheistic evolution.

 

[Valkhorn]

You are Christian, and you don't believe mankind has dominion over the earth like the Bible says?

When I was a Christian I didn't believe this either. Also, the Bible says plenty of things which when taken literally can not be true.

 

[I_Love_Cheese]

I'm talking about atheistic evolution.

So just what is your question, and just who does it apply to.

If your question is about atheism, you are on the wrong board.

 

[Valkhorn]

I'm talking about atheistic evolution.

What about it? Evolution, just like Gravity and Germ Theory and Geology does not rely on faith or religion. It relies on fact, evidence, and science.

Evolution, just like all of Science, has no bearing on whether a god or gods exist or not.

 

[Valkhorn]

Accepting the fact of Evolution has nothing to do with whether someone is moral or not.

Just thought I'd put that out there.

 

[plindboe]

Let's recap:

Do humans dominate all life forms and species?

Oooops, we're killed by unicellular organisms all the time, better ask another question.

Next question, do humans dominate all multicellular, heterotrophic organisms, otherwise known as animals?

Oooops, again, worms and other parasitic animals occupy and harvest the human body, in fact we're completely covered by them in the millions.

Next question (this time we ignore unicellular organisms, parasites or disease causing organisms), do humans dominate the rest of the planet?

Oooops, a human without technology against a bear or a lion is like a lollipop to a child.

Last question.... hopefully.... do humans if equipped with technology dominate all life except viruses, bacteria, human parasites or any other disease causing pathogens?

Well, when I stand with a fly-swapper in my kitchen sorrounded by 10 flies I despair. They certainly seem more dominant than I.

There are more insects than any other kingdom. More species, a higher quantity, and a higher combined mass as well.

It's pretty obvious that it's not a simply matter determining who is dominant. I'd pretty much agree that humans are the most promising and interesting species, according to my human bias, but asking who is more evolved or dominant is just a senseless question.

Peter

 

[USincognito]

Most of the animals are not dominant over us in their natural environment. You are assuming if we humans went into their evironment with no clothes, weapons, or machines. This will never happen. The very idea that humans can even put sharks in a tank shows their ability to dominate.

Tell you what, put on a wetsuit, grab a speargun and a knife, fire up a flourescent chemstick and jump into the ocean when it's feeding time for Humbolt squid.

If I were you, I'd make sure to "dominate" my will before doing so.

 

[[serious]]

Do you believe a human is more developed than an ape or gorilla?

That would depend on how old of a human and how old of an ape. A fully grown (or developed) ape would be more developed than a human infant (which still has more growing to do) Now, an adult ape and an adult human would both be completely developed.

 

[The Lady Kate]

But I'm not comparing humans with other animals on a purely physical level. On a purely physical level, we are simply animals. But we humans are much more than bodies. We have an awesome ability to create, control, consume, and destroy.

An ability we use to manipulate the environment to take away the natural advantage of most animals who would otherwise "dominate" us right into their stomachs.

Most of the animals are not dominant over us in their natural environment. You are assuming if we humans went into their evironment with no clothes, weapons, or machines.

In other words, without the tools we've invented through science. Left with just what God has given us, what He gave Adam and Eve in the Garden, it becomes a lot more one-sided.

This will never happen. The very idea that humans can even put sharks in a tank shows their ability to dominate.

Which still doesn't do you a whole lot of good if you fall into that tank.

 

[The Lady Kate]

You are Christian, and you don't believe mankind has dominion over the earth like the Bible says?

What the Bible says and what you seem to be implying are two different things. I'd prefer to focus on our responsibility for being the stewards for the Earth, now the power trip of trying to "dominate" anything.

 

[ranmaonehalf]

Here's a fact. We can do whatever we want with animals.

I'd say that's domination.

Even if we were to strip away all technology from man, he can then rebuild that technology and do whatever he wants to animals.

Now to say that man has an advantage simply because he has technology is a weak point because man will always have technology. Even the most primitive weapons are technology, and man can improve all these weapons.

The very fact that man has technology in and of itself shows man's special place compared to all animals.

The fact is this, mankind can create an almost infinite amount of things. Animals can create nothing. Why is that?

so you are saying if we toss you into the jungle with wild animals you will build a gun out of something?
and as it has been pointedout animals do make things. simple tools. houses ect.. and I would bet that most animals are better at it than most humans are. It is only due to education and more importantly society and the knowledge contained within in them that we dont have to relearn everything over and over again.

 

[jamie4418]

What the Bible says and what you seem to be implying are two different things. I'd prefer to focus on our responsibility for being the stewards for the Earth, now the power trip of trying to "dominate" anything.

I'm not trying to power trip. When I say dominate, I mean that we humans are able to do whatever we want with it - good or bad. I hope it is for good.

I understand that somethings in the Bible are hard to understand. But sometimes it's very clear. It's pretty clear about man's dominion on earth.

I'm not trying to judge you, but I'm surprised that a Christian can't see the clarity of the verses below.

Here are many verses about man's dominion on earth.
http://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=dominion&qs_version=9

 

[jamie4418]

so you are saying if we toss you into the jungle with wild animals you will build a gun out of something?
and as it has been pointedout animals do make things. simple tools. houses ect.. and I would bet that most animals are better at it than most humans are. It is only due to education and more importantly society and the knowledge contained within in them that we dont have to relearn everything over and over again.

But the scenario you evolutionists suggest (putting a single, naked person with nothing into a jungle) simply doesn't happen.

Even if it were to happen, that person (s) would be able to develop technology over time. But even with the most primitive weapons, it can impose its will on whatever animal it comes into contact with.

 

[ranmaonehalf]

I'll ask this question because I didn't get many answers.

Do evolutionists believe that right and wrong exist?

yes some do no some dont. right and wrong is irrelevant to evolution.
But you seem to believe it is related can you explain how?

For me your question is like asking do those that believe in gravity believe in the existence of right and wrong.

 

[jamie4418]

yes some do no some dont. right and wrong is irrelevant to evolution.
But you seem to believe it is related can you explain how?

For me your question is like asking do those that believe in gravity believe in the existence of right and wrong.

I never said right and wrong were related to evolution.

But since most of the evolutionists on this thread are atheists, I am inquiring about their feelings, as evolutionists on right and wrong.

 

[jamie4418]

I am also assuming, for the sake of arguement, that most evolutionists are atheists.

 

[Tenka]

But the scenario you evolutionists suggest (putting a single, naked person with nothing into a jungle) simply doesn't happen.

What are you talking about? It happened for thousands and thousands of years to humans just as 'evolved' as we are now and if I recall, humans still get killed by animals.

Even if it were to happen, that person (s) would be able to develop technology over time. But even with the most primitive weapons, it can impose its will on whatever animal it comes into contact with.

Locust plagues.

I am also assuming, for the sake of arguement, that most evolutionists are atheists.

1) They aren't (there aren't that many atheists).
2) How does it help your argument? what is the relevance?

 

[USincognito]

But the scenario you evolutionists suggest (putting a single, naked person with nothing into a jungle) simply doesn't happen.

Do you keep overlooking my posts?

Tell you what, put on a wetsuit, grab a speargun and a knife, fire up a flourescent chemstick and jump into the ocean when it's feeding time for Humbolt squid.

If I were you, I'd make sure to "dominate" my will before doing so.

Even if it were to happen, that person (s) would be able to develop technology over time. But even with the most primitive weapons, it can impose its will on whatever animal it comes into contact with.

Great, here's a rock. No go kill and elephant or great white. Here's a stick, go cure yourself of Guinea Worm. Here's a cowboy boot, now go clear an apartment of cockroaches. Here's a shotgun, now try and prevent a hoard of rats from chewing your face off.

And after you're done, how about you tell me how to domesticate a few different animals - Cape Buffalo and Hippo are the two I'd like you to try first.

 

[lemmings]

I am also assuming, for the sake of arguement, that most evolutionists are atheists.

Why did you title it "Questions for evolutionists" then? Most evolutionists are infact theists not atheists. Move this to the "non-Christian religion" section.

http://www.christianforums.com/f76-non-christian-religion.html