Question about the Kaaba

[beamishboy]

Would you like to cite one example and discuss this in detail with me? Just you and I, can? Please do not just give a link but discuss them, one at a time, so that the readers can see how bright and knowledgeable you are. What say you?

Oh, and one more thing. applepie7 has been challenging Muslims to reply to his clear interpretation of the Quran. His view is that the Quran copies directly from the Bible on the divinity of Christ. So far none of the Muslims can counter his argument because he really knows the Arabian language. He cites the Quran in that special script of Arab. You want to answer him? Go to this link:

http://christianforums.com/t6838314-jesus-was-crucified-until-death-says-koran.html

 

[Montalban]

Would you like to cite one example and discuss this in detail with me?

Would there be any point? For instance, I cite for you evidence that God's word's in the Bible and you close your eyes to that.

If you want to discuss evidence then you should discuss it, not ignore it.

 

[beamishboy]

Would there be any point? For instance, I cite for you evidence that God's word's in the Bible and you close your eyes to that.

If you want to discuss evidence then you should discuss it, not ignore it.

How have I ignored it? The trouble with you is that you expect Christians to treat the Bible the way Muslims treat the Quran. We are very rational in our approach. To us, the Bible contains God's word. But there are mistakes in it too. Mistakes in science, history, geography, etc. The theology is correct but the art of separating the theology from the rest of the book lies with scholars, many of whom have studied the early texts extant then.

This is why no Christian ever takes a verse from the Bible and straps himself with bombs to blow up a whole restaurant. If we find (especially in the O.T. where the Jewish military zeal and history occupy a chunk of the Bible) records of military ardour, we know it's not applicable to us today. Besides, Jesus in the N.T. has made it clear that we're supposed to even turn the other cheek if someone slaps us. Even if someone blasphemes Christ, we don't issue a fatwa to kill him the way the Muslims did to that great novelist, Sir Salman Rushdie.

So, you can show me whatever verse you want. Even at my age, I can tell you if I will act on it or whether it's a historical piece of the Bible. Even at this age, I know better than to arm myself with a bomb. That can never be from God and no number of holy books can change that.

 

[français]

So how can you accept the Bible as the word of God if there is corruption!!! MY GOSH!

UGH. Blind followers. I hate it! Just like one of my best friends.

If the Bible has errors, then how can it be the word of God? The word of God should be PERFECT and FLAWLESS because it is GODS word and God is perfect.(at least, you believe so.)

So if there are errors.. Well, how do you know what Jesus really said? How do you know that turning the other cheek is not something made up too?

I am sorry, but that is silly. Would a history book be taught in school if it was full of errors?

 

[Islam_mulia]

Hehehe, it's very tempting to let others see "how bright and knowledgeable" I am. But perhaps, it's best to wait until I'm a bigger boy. Hehe.

So all this while we been hearing a small boy whining about something he could not even explain.

You should take on some of the adults eg. there is this expert on the Quran and the Arabian language like a chap called applepie in this forum. He'll give you a run for your money.

I think we have to wait until you are a bigger boy to understand that not all people who uses a Arabic dictionary to change Arabic words can be called an expert in Arabic. But hey... you can run now and we'll meet you again sometime when you are more matured, somehow.

And hey, thanks for telling us that the bible CONTAINS ERRORS in science, history and geography... not that I am surprised by this admission.

 

[Islam_mulia]

Would there be any point? For instance, I cite for you evidence that God's word's in the Bible and you close your eyes to that.

If you want to discuss evidence then you should discuss it, not ignore it.

I did not ignore it. Let me recap our conversation. I asked where it was stated that ALL the 66 books contain the words of God. You cited part of Genesis, so I asked how about the other 66 books?

The bible were written by many authors, so I asked did they claim that what they wrote contain the words of God?

 

[beamishboy]

So how can you accept the Bible as the word of God if there is corruption!!! MY GOSH!

UGH. Blind followers. I hate it! Just like one of my best friends.

If the Bible has errors, then how can it be the word of God? The word of God should be PERFECT and FLAWLESS because it is GODS word and God is perfect.(at least, you believe so.)

So if there are errors.. Well, how do you know what Jesus really said? How do you know that turning the other cheek is not something made up too?

I am sorry, but that is silly. Would a history book be taught in school if it was full of errors?

You sound exactly like a Muslim. Your concept of God's word is very muslim which explains why a Muslim can grab a bomb and blow himself up with a whole restaurant so easily.

The Quran is NOT the word of God. The Bible is. Let me explain. When God had the Bible written, he was only bothered about the theology. History, military zeal etc however barbaric are the accidents of history. Those are the parts you don't follow. That is why Christians and Jews are intelligent enough not to practise stoning today. If you must accept everything, the barbarism of those early centuries will also become a part of your psyche which probably explains why Muslims can be so hardened and can stone women to death. If you don't watch it, you will be hardened one day yourself. We all are subject to this sort of hardening of the heart if we tell ourselves that even the non-theological parts of a "holy" book comes directly from God and is equally applicable today.

 

[beamishboy]

I did not ignore it. Let me recap our conversation. I asked where it was stated that ALL the 66 books contain the words of God. You cited part of Genesis, so I asked how about the other 66 books?

The bible were written by many authors, so I asked did they claim that what they wrote contain the words of God?

This is a Kaaba thread and so the heat should be on the Quran. I have shown you a link why the Quran is false. There are many versions of it and the caliphate chose one version and killed anyone who had the other versions. If you can't take the heat on the Quran, you should not be in this debate. There are questions about the Bible in many other threads and we don't need one more.

You have systemmatically avoided applepie7 who knows the Quran and Arabic better than most Muslims. I think you conceded you didn't know Arabic to him. So can I take it that you accept that the Quran is false or you just blindly accept it to be true but refuse to argue with appliepie7 because he knows your holy book better than you?

 

[Islam_mulia]

This is a Kaaba thread and so the heat should be on the Quran.

I was about to leave the 'bible is the word of God' discussion until Montalban brought it up again.

I have shown you a link why the Quran is false.

What is the 'Quran'?

 

[Islam_mulia]

The Quran is NOT the word of God.

The best part is you conceded that while the Bible is the word of God, it Contain errors... and you have not even explain why the Quran cannot be the word of God.

 

[beamishboy]

I was about to leave the 'bible is the word of God' discussion until Montalban brought it up again.


What is the 'Quran'?

You're asking me, a pork-eating, dog-owning altar boy in the Church of England what the Quran is? Surely you know it?

 

[ApplePie7]

What is the 'Quran'?

It's a collection of the previous Jewish and Christian scriptures...

 

[Islam_mulia]

It's a collection of the previous Jewish and Christian scriptures...

I've asked beamishboy to substantiate the same thing, except that he hid behind his 'age'. What Jewish scripture?

 

[ApplePie7]

I've asked beamishboy to substantiate the same thing, except that he hid behind his 'age'. What Jewish scripture?

The Koran proclaims that it merely copies numerous Biblical books.

These books are mainly (but not limited to)...

1) The Torah
2) The Psalms
3) Job
4) The four Gospels
5) The Book of Revelation


Hope this helps...

 

[Islam_mulia]

These books are mainly (but not limited to)...

1) The Torah
2) The Psalms

Let's start with the two books.

Who are the Christians whom you claimed copied the Quran from the Torah and Psalms?

 

[beamishboy]

I've asked beamishboy to substantiate the same thing, except that he hid behind his 'age'. What Jewish scripture?

No, I did not. You asked me to cite a Quranic verse for examination but well, the truth is you and I both don't know Arabic. That's why I asked you to ask applepie7. What's the point of asking me when both of us don't know the Quran and Arabic. Ask applepie7 is the only correct solution.

 

[Islam_mulia]

No, I did not. You asked me to cite a Quranic verse for examination but well, the truth is you and I both don't know Arabic. That's why I asked you to ask applepie7. What's the point of asking me when both of us don't know the Quran and Arabic. Ask applepie7 is the only correct solution.

You can always hide behind Apple Pie. You learn a lot that way.

Anyway, in one of your posts you mentioned that the Quran contain stories from some jewish literatures and I asked you to substantiate your claim. You dont even have to know Arabic to reply me.

 

[Montalban]

I did not ignore it. Let me recap our conversation. I asked where it was stated that ALL the 66 books contain the words of God. You cited part of Genesis, so I asked how about the other 66 books?

Yes, you did. I said the Bible contains the word of God.

I understood your false test and in fact answered with my own wording. That the Bible contains the word of God.

You then argued AGAINST THAT!

Here's a recap:
M: Bible contains word of God.
I_M: Where in the all 66 books does it show this.
M: The Bible contains the word of God, here's an example.
I_M: Bible doesn't contain word of God
M: I just showed you it did

and so on. Then you get back to your orignal novel challenge, and I still haven't chosen to meet it, because it's pointless. The Bible contains the word of God, period.

You can deal with it, or continue to ignore that.

 

[eternalsleeper]

Near-by they throw stones at a rock that's supposed to symbolise Satan.

Very pagan-like

And when they do the "stoning of the devil" they end up having a good number of fatalities. I think two years ago about 500 people were stomped to death as if it were a rodeo gone bad.

 

[Montalban]

Anyway, in one of your posts you mentioned that the Quran contain stories from some jewish literatures and I asked you to substantiate your claim. You dont even have to know Arabic to reply me.

As one very obvious example...


Is the story of Noah in Jewish literature?

Is it in the Koran?

Answer "Yes" to both and another of your 'challenges' has died.

You do need logic to know that