Question about suicide?

[Tmlcc]

So with the whole robin williams suicide thing everyone is saying "he's free now" and "it was his life, he did what he wanted with it and ended it" well when I was like 10 my uncle committed suicide and my cousin who was 20 did that two summers ago. (She was the daughter of my uncle who killed himself by the way). It's leaves such an achey feeling in the pit of my stomach when I hear someone took their life bc it hits home to me experiencing family that has done it. I can still remember my great grandmothers face in total pain full of tears as she's sitting starring at my uncles casket, she's not suppose to Barry her grandson! My question is do you feel that God individually judges the person according to what was going on in their head at the time? Like my 20yr old cousin, makes me wonder was she right in the head? Did she have a mental illness? I know our lives aren't ours to take but i often wonder is my uncle and cousin in heaven or not?

 

[twin1954]

So with the whole robin williams suicide thing everyone is saying "he's free now" and "it was his life, he did what he wanted with it and ended it" well when I was like 10 my uncle committed suicide and my cousin who was 20 did that two summers ago. (She was the daughter of my uncle who killed himself by the way). It's leaves such an achey feeling in the pit of my stomach when I hear someone took their life bc it hits home to me experiencing family that has done it. I can still remember my great grandmothers face in total pain full of tears as she's sitting starring at my uncles casket, she's not suppose to Barry her grandson! My question is do you feel that God individually judges the person according to what was going on in their head at the time? Like my 20yr old cousin, makes me wonder was she right in the head? Did she have a mental illness? I know our lives aren't ours to take but i often wonder is my uncle and cousin in heaven or not?

There are many reasons why a person would do such a thing. Some medications will cause thoughts of suicide and mental illness as well. The question isn't if they commit suicide can they go to Heaven but did they know Christ? We do not enter into eternal bliss by anything we do or don't do but by being in Christ.

 

[lismore]

I agree with Twin. If your relatives believed in the Lord Jesus Christ then they are saved.

God is the righteous judge, he knows everything and will judge fairly. So you can leave your relatives safe in the arms of the Lord.

 

[98cwitr]

1 Corinthians 6:19-20New International Version (NIV)

19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.

 

[1watchman]

You got some good counsel here, TML, and we should leave such matters to God ("shall not the judge of all the world do right? --Gen. 18:25). People sadly end their life for many reasons, and we all suffer to hear of it, but God NEVER makes a mistake, and He knows what one will do before-hand. If God allows death by any means it is His will. We need to know God and be in submission and devotion to Him through Jesus, the Christ of God, else we will not be in Heaven with Him.

 

[Bluelion]

The answer is no one knows, but God does not lose His children. Maybe a question might help you. I have had 22 suicide attempts and understand it well, and there is a demon whispering in your ear in every case. thing is people who do that don't want to die just want the pain to end. So my question is this.

If a demon talks a person in to killing themselves, and is the one causing all the pain to start with, is it that person who killed them self, or were they murdered by the demon?

I am sorry for your lost, Hugs

Peace and Love

blu

 

[Barzel]

So with the whole robin williams suicide thing everyone is saying "he's free now" and "it was his life, he did what he wanted with it and ended it" well when I was like 10 my uncle committed suicide and my cousin who was 20 did that two summers ago. (She was the daughter of my uncle who killed himself by the way). It's leaves such an achey feeling in the pit of my stomach when I hear someone took their life bc it hits home to me experiencing family that has done it. I can still remember my great grandmothers face in total pain full of tears as she's sitting starring at my uncles casket, she's not suppose to Barry her grandson! My question is do you feel that God individually judges the person according to what was going on in their head at the time? Like my 20yr old cousin, makes me wonder was she right in the head? Did she have a mental illness? I know our lives aren't ours to take but i often wonder is my uncle and cousin in heaven or not?

First of all, I am sorry that you've lost two relatives to suicide.

I cannot tell whether or not your relatives had any kind of mental illness. The fact someone commits suicide does not automatically indicate any kind of mental illness (and I say that as one who has two mental illnesses). As far as the judgment God doles out, it is not based on "what was going on in their head at the time."

God bases our salvation on whether or not we know Jesus Christ intimately (John 3:16). Period. Christians do commit suicide, and Christians go to Heaven when they commit suicide. Catholic traditions and other faiths will tell you a person goes to Hell after they commit suicide, but that is not supported by biblical evidence.

As to whether your relatives went to Heaven when they died, no one can answer that except your relatives and God. A person's salvation is very personal, and only a person can know the true state of their heart. I wish I could give you reassurance that your relatives are in Heaven, but I cannot. That does not mean they are in Hell, either. I only mean to say that we cannot know for sure where anyone who has gone before us has ended up.

 

[miamited]

Hi tmlcc,

God's judgment will be based solely on one's earthly relationship with Him and His Son.

That being said, it is hard for me to conceive that someone with the joy of knowing God and having that relationship with Him and His Son would find suicide to be the answer to their immediate problems.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[Avid]

... I have had 22 suicide attempts and understand it well, and there is a demon whispering in your ear in every case...

I will be praying for you about this. My prayers for you have not ended, but I have a different thing for which to plead before the LORD on your behalf.

Don't give up! Don't quit here or in life...

 

[98cwitr]

I will be praying for you about this. My prayers for you have not ended, but I have a different thing for which to plead before the LORD on your behalf.

Don't give up! Don't quit here or in life...

Makes 2 of us! Good luck Blue...if you need me man I am a PM away if you wanna just chat (and not debate all the time ) Praying for ya.

 

[branchofthevine]

I know Paul and his companions at one point despaired of living, and there are at least 3 people who commit suicide in the Bible: King Saul, Judas Iscariot, and Ahitophel. Judas is sort of a special case, and King Saul is more like an honourable death like the Japanese practice.

Ahitophel's case is interesting because there isn't any overt statements about the view on suicide.


But personally speaking I have a friend who is thinking about it, and I hate that. I hate that people can be brought to a point where they think killing themselves will be the solution, and it is an incredibly hard burden caused by many different things.

I feel for you, suicide is not something that should be wished upon anyone, and it's like you just want to come to their aid and make them see that killing themselves is not the answer.

Suicide doesn't mean it is impossible to go to heaven, only the grace of God allows such a thing.

 

[Digout]

I agree with Twin. If your relatives believed in the Lord Jesus Christ then they are saved.

God is the righteous judge, he knows everything and will judge fairly. So you can leave your relatives safe in the arms of the Lord.

Suicide is going against the will of God. One has to endure no matter what till the end to be saved.

 

[Digout]

Hi tmlcc,

God's judgment will be based solely on one's earthly relationship with Him and His Son.

That being said, it is hard for me to conceive that someone with the joy of knowing God and having that relationship with Him and His Son would find suicide to be the answer to their immediate problems.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[Digout]

Makes 2 of us! Good luck Blue...if you need me man I am a PM away if you wanna just chat (and not debate all the time ) Praying for ya.

That makes us three!

 

[JM]

There are many reasons why a person would do such a thing. Some medications will cause thoughts of suicide and mental illness as well. The question isn't if they commit suicide can they go to Heaven but did they know Christ? We do not enter into eternal bliss by anything we do or don't do but by being in Christ.

Excellent reminder brother.

If we claim to know Christ we must also honour Him by believing and counting on the freeness of His grace to save us.

Yours in the Lord,

jm

 

[Bluelion]

Makes 2 of us! Good luck Blue...if you need me man I am a PM away if you wanna just chat (and not debate all the time ) Praying for ya.

thanks but I have not had an attempt in 7 years, God gave me people who love me, wife kids, that is what I wanted. We kind of have a deal, but it still can be hard. He gave me something else him self. I am happy with my work which is the Lord work. I am rich, i am blessed, I am called. I still go back to site that help me but now i speak to people about suicide let them know there is hope, you can over come it. I been banned to many times to count for speaking of God on there or praying for people, it funny all the mods were once my friends too. I was there before them before there were rules on the site.

Persecuted for God is always worth it. The debates really need to stop and we all need to come together hard times are coming to us all, we need to be of one mind because it pleases God and strengthens us In Christ.

 

[iambren]

The will to live is very strong(innate,I believe),think how powerful must be the negative forces in a person's life to overcome it.

It comes down to a forced field analysis. On one side are the scraps of joy,family,friends,walking with God,hope with the future that things will change. On the other side is the dismal pall of depression,pain,a self-loathing from failure,a loss of esteem from a job or love or child loss. One may feel insignificant,irrelevant to this world,useless to God and others,AND in such mental pain mentally(anxiety,panic attacks,exhausting bipolar swings) that life simply does not seem worth it.

Murder is sin. So is a lie,a lust,a sinful attitude and we don't lose our salvation if we slip up. A heart attack can kill. So can the less obvious mental turmoil. I believe that those on the suicidal wall of the field analysis are granted grace.

 

[Barzel]

Suicide is going against the will of God. One has to endure no matter what till the end to be saved.

What is your Scriptural backing for this?

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

I read that Robin Williams was a Christian, so based on that, I think he is in Heaven. Salvation is by the grace of faith, not something we do.

 

[Digout]

What is your Scriptural backing for this?

Matthew 24
13 But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.

Mark 13
13 You will be hated by all because of My name, but the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.