Question about suicide?

[lismore]

Suicide is going against the will of God. One has to endure no matter what till the end to be saved.

For the victim suicide is the end.

 

[Avid]

For the victim suicide is the end.

It is not our place to decide when that end should come, or how that end should come.

The greatest help, attention and reward from Heaven is for those martyred for the name of Jesus Christ, or for their stand for God. The one who kills their own self removes that as a possibility. Also, living under persecution brings great reward. God gives grace and reward to those who are faithful in this manner (ex.: John Bunyan, etc.)

Jesus Christ allowed this world to execute Him, and there was NOTHING He did to deserve such. The worldly authority even admitted that there was no cause for doing that, but did it for expediency, and to appease a crowd of people. They were not even able to do that in their own power, but He had to give up His own life willingly.

The martyrdom of Stephen (the first Christian martyr, Acts 7:51-60) caused Jesus Christ to STAND UP from sitting at the right hand of God. There is no greater way to honor the LORD than to allow the wicked of this world to kill you for the name of Jesus Christ.
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For the victim suicide is the end.

I am prone to think that even Judas Iscariot could have been forgiven if he had approached Jesus with repentance instead of committing suicide.

 

[iambren]

So what if Judas was forgiven THEN went out and committed suicide?

 

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So what if Judas was forgiven THEN went out and committed suicide?

Then again he would have lost salvation obviously!

 

[Bluelion]

I am prone to think that even Judas Iscariot could have been forgiven if he had approached Jesus with repentance instead of committing suicide.

then you need to read Hebrews 6

 

[Bluelion]

Then again he would have lost salvation obviously!

and how do you explain john 6 that Jesus does not lose his children? If one goes to hell and was once saved then Jesus lost His child making God a lair?

and just what was He saved from if the person never enter Heaven? How can you say they were saved when they never received the reward?

Hey i can say i will give you a gift, do you have that gift before i give it to you? or do you have the gift after i place it in your hands?

 

[Bluelion]

i'll answer the question for you saved mean you have enter Heaven in the future, you already made God saved you, you can not undo that, all that is left is to hit play on this life and let it take it course because we are already in Heaven.

 

[cleophilia3]

Catholic traditions and other faiths will tell you a person goes to Hell after they commit suicide, but that is not supported by biblical evidence.

As a former Catholic, I feel I have to address this comment to elaborate futher on what is truly taught...historically, the tradition of suicide = dying in gravely sinful state = eternal hell was promoted. However, this is not the case today since the Roman Catholic church acknowledges that suicide is typically an act committed following extreme emotional duress. The following comes directly from the Catechism:


2283We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.

 

[Bluelion]

As a former Catholic, I feel I have to address this comment to elaborate futher on what is truly taught...historically, the tradition of suicide = dying in gravely sinful state = eternal hell was promoted. However, this is not the case today since the Roman Catholic church acknowledges that suicide is typically an act committed following extreme emotional duress. The following comes directly from the Catechism:


2283We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.

wow thank you I to thought other wise from the catholic church. Hope you find your faith again. praying for you.

 

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then you need to read Hebrews 6

That doesn't alter my thinking.

 

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and how do you explain john 6 that Jesus does not lose his children? If one goes to hell and was once saved then Jesus lost His child making God a lair?

and just what was He saved from if the person never enter Heaven? How can you say they were saved when they never received the reward?

Hey i can say i will give you a gift, do you have that gift before i give it to you? or do you have the gift after i place it in your hands?

I don't believe in man-made doctrine OSAS.

One has to run a race to merit the gift of salvation

 

[iambren]

"Then again he would have lost salvation obviously!"

Ecck! Wrong answer. So if a Christian man gives into temptation and steals a pack of gun (ie a sin) then immediately has a heart attack he goes to hell?

That's called a works theology;very unbiblical.

 

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"Then again he would have lost salvation obviously!"

Ecck! Wrong answer. So if a Christian man gives into temptation and steals a pack of gun (ie a sin) then immediately has a heart attack he goes to hell?

That's called a works theology;very unbiblical.

Stealing is sin. Heart attack is not suicide! Your logic is questionable!

 

[Bluelion]

I don't believe in man-made doctrine OSAS.

One has to run a race to merit the gift of salvation

where is your biblical proof?

before you answer i would like to point out this is the baptist section.

 

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where is your biblical proof?

before you answer i would like to point out this is the baptist section.

1 Corinthians 9
24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.

26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:

Philippians 2
16 Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.

 

[Bluelion]

1 Corinthians 9
24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.

26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:

Philippians 2
16 Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.

how does that prove OSAS is man made doctrine?

How does that prove salvation is not give at a person accepting Christ? what it says is you must run the race to receive the reward, Indeed we have run if we are saved and have lived one day no?

 

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how does that prove OSAS is man made doctrine?

Because it doesn't reflect the teaching of Christ.

How does that prove salvation is not give at a person accepting Christ? what it says is you must run the race to receive the reward, Indeed we have run if we are saved and have lived one day no?

It is given when one accepts Christ, yet fruit should follow. Rain falls on everybody, yet harvesting need to done.

 

[iambren]

What if AFTER you commit suicide you had a chance to ask forgiveness,would you still go to hell?

 

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What if AFTER you commit suicide you had a chance to ask forgiveness,would you still go to hell?

Where is the question of seeking forgiveness when one is plain dead on his own?