Question about praying to Mary

[ozso]

Question to Catholics: wouldn't Mary have to be omniscient to hear and process hundreds of prayers being prayed to her in a steady stream every minute 24/7?

Note: input from former or non-Catholics is welcome.

 

[YeshuaFollower]

Wouldn't Mary have to be omniscient to hear and process hundreds of prayers being prayed to her in a steady stream every minute 24/7?

That is why I pray to the father only as Jesus did.

Bessings,

jff

 

[ozso]

That is why I pray to the father only as Jesus did.

Bessings,

jff

Me too because Jesus taught us to pray to the Father. But I'm honestly curious to hear what the Catholic view is.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Wouldn't Mary have to be omniscient to hear and process hundreds of prayers being prayed to her in a steady stream every minute 24/7?

Not just her, the burden of hearing prayers also falls on all the saints. Justification for this is found in Revelation 5 by some denominations.

" Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. "

Basically , the prayers are collected and presented to The Father through Mary and beatified people ( saints) by the Pope. This is why they are called intercesors.

Blessings.

Note: What they get wrong is anyone and everyone who is in the Body of Christ is considered a saint. So Revelation is metaphorically depicting prayers without intercession .

 

[YeshuaFollower]

Me too because Jesus taught us to pray to the Father. But I'm honestly curious to hear what the Catholic view is.

I was raised a catholic and they do pray to Mary;

Je vous salue Marie, pleine de grâce ;
Le Seigneur est avec vous.
Vous êtes bénie entre toutes les femmes
Et Jésus, le fruit de vos entrailles, est béni.
Sainte Marie, Mère de Dieu,
Priez pour nous pauvres pécheurs,
Maintenant et à l’heure de notre mort.
Amen

This prayer i had to learn in french catholic school. When i was old enough to read the bible, I then knew that many catholic doctrine do not follow the words of GOD.

I now follow only scripture and basically the teaching of Jesus, as he is the only way to life.

Blessings.

Jff

 

[concretecamper]

I wonder how the saints in Heaven keep track of all those repentant sinners here on earth.

Luke 15:7 I say to you that even so there shall be joy in heaven upon one sinner that doth penance, more than upon ninety-nine just who need not penance.

 

[Erose]

Wouldn't Mary have to be omniscient to hear and process hundreds of prayers being prayed to her in a steady stream every minute 24/7?

Are you saying that God cannot give someone, especially that someone who is in heaven, a gift that you do not have?

 

[Erose]

Me too because Jesus taught us to pray to the Father. But I'm honestly curious to hear what the Catholic view is.

Some questions for you:

Is the Church the Body of Christ?
Are all believers part of that Church?
Is it good for us to ask each other for prayer and to pray for each other?
When one dies and is in heaven does that person cease to be part of the Church?
If not, why is it wrong to ask them whose prayers no longer need faith to pray for you?
Do you think God does not have the power or willing to give that power to those who have already died to intercede for those they left behind?

 

[ozso]

Some questions for you:

Is the Church the Body of Christ?
Are all believers part of that Church?
Is it good for us to ask each other for prayer and to pray for each other?
When one dies and is in heaven does that person cease to be part of the Church?
If not, why is it wrong to ask them whose prayers no longer need faith to pray for you?
Do you think God does not have the power or willing to give that power to those who have already died to intercede for those they left behind?

Just answer the question in the OP please.

 

[ozso]

Are you saying that God cannot give someone, especially that someone who is in heaven, a gift that you do not have?

I'm asking for the Catholic view and or perspective regarding the question. If you don't know or don't want to explain it, just say so.

Note: I realized that I failed to specify the question was aimed at Catholics (although anyone's input is welcome) and amended that in the OP.

 

[Emun]

Question to Catholics: wouldn't Mary have to be omniscient to hear and process hundreds of prayers being prayed to her in a steady stream every minute 24/7?

Note: input from former or non-Catholics is welcome.

That's the thing. But it is not only the intercession of the saints. It is also the veneration of images and the belief in non-canonical scriptures.

 

[concretecamper]

Some questions for you:

Is the Church the Body of Christ?
Are all believers part of that Church?
Is it good for us to ask each other for prayer and to pray for each other?
When one dies and is in heaven does that person cease to be part of the Church?
If not, why is it wrong to ask them whose prayers no longer need faith to pray for you?
Do you think God does not have the power or willing to give that power to those who have already died to intercede for those they left behind?

Also, I think the OP is attempting to apply temporal logic to Heaven, which will lead to confusion.

 

[ozso]

That's the thing. But it is not only the intercession of the saints. It is also the veneration of images and the belief in non-canonical scriptures.

What's the thing? Is Mary omniscient or not? If Mary isn't omniscient then how is she able to hear and process hundreds of prayers being directed to her in a steady stream every minute 24/7?

 

[concretecamper]

What's the thing? Is Mary omniscient or not? If Mary isn't omniscient then how is she able to hear and process hundreds of prayers being directed to her in a steady stream every minute 24/7?

Stop the nonsense.

 

[Erose]

Just answer the question in the OP please.

If I can here the thoughts of every single person on this planet; that does not make me omniscient.

 

[ozso]

If I can here the thoughts of every single person on this planet; that does not make me omniscient.

How about explaining how it works then, since this thread is about obtaining information.

 

[Erose]

How about explaining how it works then, since this thread is about obtaining information.

It works by God's grace free given to the Blessed Mother and to all His Children in heaven. We will not be restricted in heaven like we are here on earth; thus what is impossible for us now; won't be in heaven.

 

[ozso]

It works by God's grace free given to the Blessed Mother and to all His Children in heaven. We will not be restricted in heaven like we are here on earth; thus what is impossible for us now; won't be in heaven.

All of your posts in this thread seem to amount to "I don't know".

 

[The Liturgist]

All of your posts in this thread seem to amount to "I don't know".

Forgive me, but that’s not true; @Erose provided a clear and theologically material answer which is scripturally sound. It was nothing like saying “I don’t know,” although we also have to say there are many cases where “I don’t know” is the correct and desired answer, for example, questions about the inner workings of the sacraments or the Divine Essence of God, which are, respectively, sacred mysteries, and entirely inscrutable.

Furthermore, there is an extremely straightforward answer to your question and that is “theosis,” and an even easier one, that being charisms. It is well known that many of the great Patristic figures and even recent figures such as the Eastern Orthodox bishop St. John Maximovitch performed miracles while still among the living; these acts, enabled by cooperation between humans and the indwelling Holy Spirit in our salvation, take a huge array of forms.

And as it happens, we have scripture, 2 Maccabees 15:14-17, which can be found in any complete King James Version, and which is recognized by all the Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox churches, which validates the intercession of the saints.

 

[ozso]

Forgive me, but that’s not true; @Erose provided a clear and theologically material answer which is scripturally sound. It was nothing like saying “I don’t know,” although we also have to say there are many cases where “I don’t know” is the correct and desired answer, for example, questions about the inner workings of the sacraments or the Divine Essence of God, which are, respectively, sacred mysteries, and entirely inscrutable.

Furthermore, there is an extremely straightforward answer to your question and that is “theosis,” and an even easier one, that being charisms. It is well known that many of the great Patristic figures and even recent figures such as the Eastern Orthodox bishop St. John Maximovitch performed miracles while still among the living; these acts, enabled by cooperation between humans and the indwelling Holy Spirit in our salvation, take a huge array of forms.

And as it happens, we have scripture, 2 Maccabees 15:14-17, which can be found in any complete King James Version, and which is recognized by all the Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox churches, which validates the intercession of the saints.

"I don't know" is a perfectly fine answer. Answering a question with a series of questions, not so much. Making them personally challenging questions, even less so.

Could you perhaps explain it in plain English?

Also how does a book that's in the Old Testament of the Catholic and Orthodox Bible, explain anything regarding Mary and Christian saints?

I didn't see such in reading the text:

14 Then Onias answering, said: This is a lover of his brethren, and of the people of Israel: this is he that prayeth much for the people, and for all the holy city, Jeremias the prophet of God.

15 Whereupon Jeremias stretched forth his right hand, and gave to Judas a sword of gold, saying:

16 Take this holy sword a gift from God, wherewith thou shalt overthrow the adversaries of my people Israel.

17 Thus being exhorted with the words of Judas, which were very good, and proper to stir up the courage, and strengthen the hearts of the young men, they resolved to fight, and to set upon them manfully: that valour might decide the matter, because the holy city and the temple were in danger. 2 Maccabees 15:14-17 (Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition).