Question about Michael the Archangel

[Lebesgue]

How about the study I left? Did you take time to read that?

Please don't taske offence to this, but I would take what Doug Batchelor says with a grain of salt. He appears to be nothing more than a "shill" for Ellen White and basically regurgitates her ideas.

Shalom,

Lebesgue

 

[RND]

Please don't taske offence to this, but I would take what Doug Batchelor says with a grain of salt. He appears to be nothing more than a "shill" for Ellen White and basically regurgitates her ideas.

Why would I take offense to that? Everyone is entiltled to their opinion no matter how wrong it may be. Besides, I'm not Doug Bachelor.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Ouch! I am just pointing out things that I believe to be doctrinal errors. I would not attack anyone personally, I am sorry if you feel that way.

Shalom,

Lebesgue

you just did with doug batchlor.

 

[RND]

you just did with doug batchlor.

Ice! I didn't know you had it in you!

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Please don't taske offence to this, but I would take what Doug Batchelor says with a grain of salt. He appears to be nothing more than a "shill" for Ellen White and basically regurgitates her ideas.

Shalom,

Lebesgue

I know doug batchlor. He is not a mouth piece for anyone. I know him and he actually believes what he is saying. If he did not he would leave.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

honey I don't know what you are talking about. I never reported you for anything.

As far as doug goes he is my friend and he brought me to the Lord, so I am going to defend my friend.

young one before you start talking you need to get your facts first.

I was only pointing out the fact that "Lesb" said in one post she would not attack a person and then attacked Doug. I never said I would not.

 

[Lebesgue]

honey I don't know what you are talking about. I never reported you for anything.

As far as doug goes he is my friend and he brought me to the Lord, so I am going to defend my friend.

young one before you start talking you need to get your facts first.

I was only pointing out the fact that "Lesb" said in one post she would not attack a person and then attacked Doug. I never said I would not.

I am a "he" by the way.

I did not mean to attack Doug Batchelor. I am familiar with his work and it seems to me like a total regurgitation of Ellen. That's what I said. I did not say he was a bad person or anything like that I merely said he was a "shill" for Ellen and that's what he appears to be. Sorry.

Shalom,

Lebesgue

 

[RND]

I am a "he" by the way.

I did not mean to attack Doug Batchelor. I am familiar with his work and it seems to me like a total regurgitation of Ellen. That's what I said. I did not say he was a bad person or anything like that I merely said he was a "shill" for Ellen and that's what he appears to be. Sorry.

Shalom,

Lebesgue

Um, you called him " a shill." That's not very nice language. In all that I have ever heard or seen of Pastor Doug he seems quite sincere.

A Shill

"A shill is an associate of a person selling goods or services or a political group, who pretends no association to the seller/group and assumes the air of an enthusiastic customer. The intention of the shill is, using crowd psychology, to encourage others unaware of the set-up to purchase said goods or services or support the political group's ideological claims. Shills are often employed by confidence artists. In the UK the term plant is used.

Shilling is illegal in many circumstances and in many jurisdictions because of the frequently fraudulent and damaging character of their actions. However, if a shill does not place uninformed parties at a risk of loss, but merely generates “buzz,” the shill's actions may be legal. For example, a person planted in an audience to laugh and applaud when appropriate (see "claque") or to participate in on-stage activities as a "random member of the audience", is a type of legal shill.

'Shill' can also be used pejoratively to describe a critic who appears either all-too-eager to heap glowing praise upon mediocre offerings, or who acts as an apologist for glaring flaws. In this sense, they would be an implicit 'shill' for the industry at large, as their income is tied to its prosperity."

 

[Lebesgue]

Um, you called him " a shill." That's not very nice language. In all that I have ever heard or seen of Pastor Doug he seems quite sincere.

A Shill

"A shill is an associate of a person selling goods or services or a political group, who pretends no association to the seller/group and assumes the air of an enthusiastic customer. The intention of the shill is, using crowd psychology, to encourage others unaware of the set-up to purchase said goods or services or support the political group's ideological claims. Shills are often employed by confidence artists. In the UK the term plant is used.

Shilling is illegal in many circumstances and in many jurisdictions because of the frequently fraudulent and damaging character of their actions. However, if a shill does not place uninformed parties at a risk of loss, but merely generates “buzz,” the shill's actions may be legal. For example, a person planted in an audience to laugh and applaud when appropriate (see "claque") or to participate in on-stage activities as a "random member of the audience", is a type of legal shill.

'Shill' can also be used pejoratively to describe a critic who appears either all-too-eager to heap glowing praise upon mediocre offerings, or who acts as an apologist for glaring flaws. In this sense, they would be an implicit 'shill' for the industry at large, as their income is tied to its prosperity."

The "laugh and appluad" in the audience is the context of the word "shill" I mean in this instance.

Sorry, but he seems to me to be a cheerleader for Ellen(and yes He IS sincere about it).

Shalom,

Lebesgue

 

[RND]

The "laugh and appluad" in the audience is the context of the word "shill" I mean in this instance.

A "cheerleader" in other words?

Sorry, but he seems to me to be a cheerleader for Ellen(and yes He IS sincere about it).

Is there something wrong about that?

A Lutheran pastor is going to "cheerlead" for Martin Luther, a Calvanist from John Calvin, etc. But you seem to have a problem when an Adventist pastor does the same for EGW? Odd.

 

[Lebesgue]

My mane Reb on Carm came from my being called a "Rebel" when I was processing out of the SDA church.

They would not let me have the name Reb on here as it was already taken.

I took the name Lebesgue in honour of my favourite mathematician, Henri Lebesgue.

Shalom,

Lebesgue

 

[DarylFawcett]

OK folks, let's focus on the question about Michael the Archangel.

 

[HOPEOF9]

How about the study I left? Did you take time to read that?

I read some of the things that you left. Still I don't agree. Again, as already stated, Michael was a created being....CREATED...Jesus was NOT.
The idea of Michael being Jesus, came from Joseph Smith trying teach it. When no one would believe it, he then claimed that he was given a vision about it. Since he was considered a prophet by some in those times, they then accepted the teaching. A mormon teaching. Nothing more. To believe that, you would have to consider that Jesus was a created being(again, a mormon teaching) and again Jesus was not a created being.

 

[RND]

Again, as already stated, Michael was a created being....CREATED...Jesus was NOT.

Do you have any scripture that can confirm this view?

The idea of Michael being Jesus, came from Joseph Smith trying teach it. When no one would believe it, he then claimed that he was given a vision about it. Since he was considered a prophet by some in those times, they then accepted the teaching. A mormon teaching. Nothing more. To believe that, you would have to consider that Jesus was a created being(again, a mormon teaching) and again Jesus was not a created being.

While I understand that Jos. Smith invented lots of false doctrine the belief that this teaching is primarily from him is not something that can be proven.

Here's another verse by verse study:

MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL ..... JESUS?

 

[honorthesabbath]

My mane Reb on Carm came from my being called a "Rebel" when I was processing out of the SDA church.

They would not let me have the name Reb on here as it was already taken.

I took the name Lebesgue in honour of my favourite mathematician, Henri Lebesgue.

Shalom,

Lebesgue

Well--Lesb, to add to the confusion, your character looks very feminine too. If I hadn't seen a post of you referring to your wife--I too would have thought you a female.

 

[honorthesabbath]

Do you have any scripture that can confirm this view?



While I understand that Jos. Smith invented lots of false doctrine the belief that this teaching is primarily from him is not something that can be proven.

Here's another verse by verse study:

MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL ..... JESUS?

RND--I don't think HOPE is interested in this truth. Her preconceived notion is too over-powering to receive it. But hey--you gave it the good ole college try though!

 

[juneil]

RND--I don't think HOPE is interested in this truth. Her preconceived notion is too over-powering to receive it. But hey--you gave it the good ole college try though!

I AGREE...

 

[Lebesgue]

Well--Lesb, to add to the confusion, your character looks very feminine too. If I hadn't seen a post of you referring to your wife--I too would have thought you a female.

My character has a beard, obviously not feminine.

I happen to have long hair and wanted a character that looks like me as much as possible.

You do notice the beard on my character, right?

And I have reddish-brown hair about that length and am of a thin build.

I have a beard and am wearing men's clothes I hardly think that is feminine. I just wanted to look like me on here.

Shalom,

Lebesgue

 

[Lebesgue]

I read some of the things that you left. Still I don't agree. Again, as already stated, Michael was a created being....CREATED...Jesus was NOT.
The idea of Michael being Jesus, came from Joseph Smith trying teach it. When no one would believe it, he then claimed that he was given a vision about it. Since he was considered a prophet by some in those times, they then accepted the teaching. A mormon teaching. Nothing more. To believe that, you would have to consider that Jesus was a created being(again, a mormon teaching) and again Jesus was not a created being.

I agree, Hope. You nailed it.

Y'shua IS the creator.

Michael the Archangel is a CREATED being.

The CREATOR cannot be a created being.

Shalom,

Lebesgue

 

[RND]

Michael the Archangel is a CREATED being.

As I asked Hope, do you have anything to offer us that would convince us of this?