Question about Easter

[Rdr Iakovos]

Hi parents likely spoke Aramaic- not sure on Jesus' name in Aramaic.

Iesou in Greek is pronounced today ee aa soo, emphasis on the middle syllable. The pronunciation in ancient times is a matter of speculation. But Jesus, as we say it, or hay soos as the Spanish say it, both are reasonable approximations.

Excuse me, but that is lunacy. Luke wrote: “And IY (Iota Epsilon – representing Yahshua’s Divine name)…”
(Luke 4:14)

Neither Luke or anyone else ever wrote “Jesus” or “Iesous” because that is not what Yahweh inspired.
One hundred percent of the earliest manuscripts we have discovered, use two or three Greek capital letters with a horizontal line over them, as a placeholder for Yahshua’s name. In the oldest copy we have of Luke, you will find: IY. This bears little resemblance to Yahshua’s actual name or its weak Greek (Iesous) and wholly errant English (Jesus) transliteration.
Rendered by the name of the Greek letters, Yahshua was represented by two or three of the following: “Iota Eta Sigma Omicron Epsilon and then either Sigma, Epsilon, or Ne, depending upon the name’s use in the sentence. In letter equivalents, the two or three capital letters used as placeholders in all of the early manuscripts were comprised of: I-H-S-O-Y and then either S, Y, or N. Phonetically, these letters, had they actually been written out, would have comprised the following sounds: i-ee-s-o-ee- then either s, ee, or n, therefore i-ee-s-o-ee-s, i-ee-s-o-ee-ee, or i-ee-s-o-ee-n. As you can see, these don’t even approximate Yahshua, which is probably why they weren’t ever written out. It is God’s name, after all. The first people to follow the Way and trust Yahshua had no interest in butchering the name of the Spirit who redeemed them.
Post Constantine and the birth of the Roman Catholic Church, things changed. The original author’s nomenclature was ignored and priests replaced their IS, HIS, IY, IHY, IN, or IHN with Iesous, Iesoue, or Iesoun. These were entirely manmade creations. No variation of these names appear in any of the 70 Greek Renewed Covenant manuscripts dating between 60 CE and 299 CE. Not one, not ever. Without a basis for Iesous, there is no basis for Jesus. Yahweh did not inspire the use of Iesous, Iesoue, Iesoun, or Jesus. Man did. These are not the Savior’s names. Yahshua is.

First, please cite your sources. You have basically plagiarized the following
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/fh_aug_chapter14.html
Craig Winn is the author

He Says that IY is iota epsilon.
I had to laugh.
It is iota upsilon

But there's another use, if there in fact was such a convention as you suggest:

Greek capital letters with the solid line over it were and are used in abbreviations as Oblio pointed out- you can see these today in iconography such as IC XC for Iesou Christos.
http://members.aol.com/SolistAvadar/Jesus_Icon.jpg

IY with the line over the letters (male) could be a majuscule abbreviation of Iesous

Your source guy is has no sources cited, and is just plain wrong in his inferences. I asked you before for source and citations for the claims you've made, and I await those.
Thx
James

 

[icbeckyc]

I agree. So instead of assuming what Easter is a celebration of, why don't we research it and eliminate opinion. I does have a history and there is also a story of how it came into the church. If you want to know, the seed has been planted. I agree with much of your post, Becky. The difference is clear to Him. If someone has been misled, they are much better off then the one doing the misleading, if you know what I mean. Their fate is outlined with clarity.

I guess my point is I am not assuming. I know that I am going to celebrate Easter. I have tried to use this time of Lent to focus and ready myself and my family to celebrate what Jesus did for us. Then on Maudy Thursday my church will particpate in a Sedar dinner and our Pastor will discuss what we as Christians can gain from this meal and remembering that it was the last meal Jesus had with his disciples. Then Easter will be the day to truely realize what I have been doing during this season and why I did it. To remember that God sent his only son to die on a cross for my sins. Also on this special day my daughter and 8 other youth from our church will profess their faith and be confirmed into the church. That is what I believe Easter to be. Now I am sure there are plenty of people out there that will corrupt it, they will take only the parts of it they enjoy the eggs and the bunnies and forget they are to be used as symbols of our new beginning in Christ.

 

[YahwehisHisname]

Irony != Error

But since you asked, you seem to be some variant of a Sacred Namer with tendencies towards phyletelism. The first is a cult, the second a heresy.

Why are you trying to put a title or affix a organized belief system to me? I follow Yahweh. Period.
You sure are good at avoiding questions. Care to site an error I have posted with your evidence, or shall we play guessing games about my person? If you want to know something about me, within reason, I will be glad to answer you but until you site examples and proof of an error I posted, your words will remain hollow.

 

[Rdr Iakovos]

I guess my point is I am not assuming. I know that I am going to celebrate Easter. I have tried to use this time of Lent to focus and ready myself and my family to celebrate what Jesus did for us. Then on Maudy Thursday my church will particpate in a Sedar dinner and our Pastor will discuss what we as Christians can gain from this meal and remembering that it was the last meal Jesus had with his disciples. Then Easter will be the day to truely realize what I have been doing during this season and why I did it. To remember that God sent his only son to die on a cross for my sins. Also on this special day my daughter and 8 other youth from our church will profess their faith and be confirmed into the church. That is what I believe Easter to be. Now I am sure there are plenty of people out there that will corrupt it, they will take only the parts of it they enjoy the eggs and the bunnies and forget they are to be used as symbols of our new beginning in Christ.

Amen, and may God bless your confirmands. May they always persevere in the face of adversity, and be birght lights shining in a dark world.
James

 

[Iollain]

I can understand how the chick and egg symbolize new life in Christ, but i can't understand how the darn rabbits got to be........we had rabbits here for the kids once they are the worst pet anyone could own, they chew wood and make more mess than 50 cats.

 

[YahwehisHisname]

Greek capital letters with the solid line over it were and are used in abbreviations as Oblio pointed out- you can see these today in iconography such as IC XC for Iesou Christos.

Can you show me where placeholders were used in any other place in scripture other than the devine names that were listed earlier? Just one.

I asked you before for source and citations for the claims you've made, and I await those.

Yahweh’s Scriptures, Strong’s Concordance, Hebrew and Greek Lexicons and Dictionaries, Interlinears of the OT and NT, and scholastic linguistic studies. If this doesn't answer you question, you'll have to list the specific claim I made so I know what to address.

 

[dvd_holc]

Is this thread no longer talking about passover?

 

[YahwehisHisname]

I can understand how the chick and egg symbolize new life in Christ, but i can't understand how the darn rabbits got to be........we had rabbits here for the kids once they are the worst pet anyone could own, they chew wood and make more mess than 50 cats.

The answers are right at your finger tips. Study the origin of Easter and the "bunny" question will become clear. I am going to bow out now since the truth always gets people so angry and hostile. I pray His spirit guides you.

 

[Iollain]

i don't like rabbits

maybe the rabbits are there to remind us where we came from

 

[KEPLER]

There are about a thousand sources that confirm most of what is in the book.

A lie told 1000 times is still a lie.

 

[Rdr Iakovos]

Greek capital letters with the solid line over it were and are used in abbreviations as Oblio pointed out- you can see these today in iconography such as IC XC for Iesou Christos.

Can you show me where placeholders were used in any other place in scripture other than the devine names that were listed earlier? Just one.

I asked you before for source and citations for the claims you've made, and I await those.

Yahweh’s Scriptures, Strong’s Concordance, Hebrew and Greek Lexicons and Dictionaries, Interlinears of the OT and NT, and scholastic linguistic studies. If this doesn't answer you question, you'll have to list the specific claim I made so I know what to address.

Hello: This no answer at all. When I asked for source and citation, I asked for specifics, if you'd be so kind. It's not good etiquette to send me looking for your proofs.

Specifically, the claim that IY with the line over the top was written thus out of reverence for either the Hebrew name y hah shua, or in disregard for the transliteration Iesous.

Some kind of documentation, any at all, for the claims made in the article you pasted

Specifically, this claim

And IY

(Iota Epsilon – representing Yahshua’s Divine name)…”

(Luke 4:14)

Neither Luke or anyone else ever wrote “Jesus” or “Iesous” because that is not what Yahweh inspired.

Thanks
James

 

[KEPLER]

Irony != Error

But since you asked, you seem to be some variant of a Sacred Namer with tendencies towards phyletelism. The first is a cult, the second a heresy.

Oblio,

You can't accuse him of being a heretic unless you know the Hebrew word for heretic!



Cheers,

כפלר

 

[KEPLER]

i don't like rabbits

***chuckling***

Why am I suddenly thinking of William Faulkner?

Kepler

 

[Oblio]

ROTFLMAO !!

Or however I say that in Hebrewski

 

[KEPLER]

ROTFLMAO !!

Or however I say that in Hebrewski

No vowels, and right to left: MLFTR.

 

[Iollain]

***chuckling***

Why am I suddenly thinking of William Faulkner?

Kepler

i don't know, he doesn't like rabbits?

 

[icbeckyc]

Amen, and may God bless your confirmands. May they always persevere in the face of adversity, and be birght lights shining in a dark world.
James

Thank you. Our church is very proud of our confirmands. They have worked very hard and really good kids!

 

[KEPLER]

Thank you. Our church is very proud of our confirmands. They have worked very hard and really good kids!

May they all -- by the Grace of God and the power of the Holy Spirit -- grow in the love and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

 

[KEPLER]

i don't know, he doesn't like rabbits?

Nah, he just had a very precise and economical way of using words...

//back on topic//

 

[Iollain]

Maybe the rabbit represents the abundance of the life in Christ?