Question about Christianity

[IamGodslittlegirl]

It's basic biblical theological knowledge that satan is unable to heal.

Starting with the word miracle and its defination, of course miracle defines anything done that has no scientific explanation. Miracles in the bible range from the creation of everything that you see and touch to what you don't see and touch. The parting of the sea's, raiseing of dead and causeing great storms.

Miracles from the view of witchcraft would be makeing someone fall in love, reading their future, wearing charms for things such as health and wealth, but is all spells, not healing, and then there is communicateing with the demons in the spirit world.

Now, if you think that satan can heal then perhaps you need a crash course on the nature of the beast. From the very first mention of the adversary in scriptures, we see that satan deceives. From that point on, we see that his angels deceive, these would be satans seed. Throughout the bible satan has never ever performed a good deed and never will. These are the reasons that satan will be thrown into the pit and locked within it.


Also, your pov will create a problem with your christianity. How will you know one's fruit to be good if an evil tree is able to bear good fruit? So you see, satan can not heal. It's good to be aware of his lies and deception.

your premise is that healing is a good thing, correct?

2Co 12:5 Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in my infirmities. 9 And he said to me, My grace is sufficient for you: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest on me. 10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

secondly: "satanic" healing confirms the lies and deception and keeps you entrapped in your belief system

however: we can agree that satan's healings are demonic and false [not reality = magic - hallucinated - placebo effect,etc] which is why the healings done in the word of faith/charis/pentecostal movement are not real either.

ps: I was just trying to get you to think

 

[scapeg0at]

Isn't that speaking of the thorn is Paul's side? Paul was not cripple or diseased, the context is speaking of something other than healing and sickness.

Just the term "satanic healing" is blasphomy in most circles you know?

 

[IamGodslittlegirl]

Are you seriously considering this to be true?



I think your the only christian on this forum that thinks that an evil tree can bear good fruit.

actually no, I keep quoting that passage to get wofers to see that what they believe is false/evil etc. check out my other post

and no, that woman is totally deceived. she has received false healing.

 

[scapeg0at]

ps: I was just trying to get you to think

Funny!

 

[scapeg0at]

actually no, I keep quoting that passage to get wofers to see that what they believe is false/evil etc. check out my other post

and no, that woman is totally deceived. she has received false healing.

wofers?

 

[IamGodslittlegirl]

Isn't that speaking of the thorn is Paul's side? Paul was not cripple or diseased, the context is speaking of something other than healing and sickness.

Just the term "satanic healing" is blasphomy in most circles you know?

Paul was referring to infirmities [plural] read the context of the whole passage

 

[IamGodslittlegirl]

wofers?

word of faith/charis/pentecostal - to which I have constantly been referring to in all my posts I was hoping I could abbreviate just once

 

[scapeg0at]

your premise is that healing is a good thing, correct?

2Co 12:5 Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in my infirmities. 9 And he said to me, My grace is sufficient for you: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest on me. 10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

secondly: "satanic" healing confirms the lies and deception and keeps you entrapped in your belief system

however: we can agree that satan's healings are demonic and false [not reality = magic - hallucinated - placebo effect,etc] which is why the healings done in the word of faith/charis/pentecostal movement are not real either.

ps: I was just trying to get you to think

Are you useing the King James Version?

 

[scapeg0at]

Well, I can't find it in mine, that word infirmities, so i'll use the kjv, i see it here. This is what you are taling about:

2 Corinthians 12 : 1 - 10
1 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. 2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth 4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. 5 Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities. 6 For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me. 7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. 8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. 9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

Paul is speaking about the thorn in his side. He is not speaking about an illness. This is of the adversary, satan, and you actually provide a good example against your own argument.

 

[IamGodslittlegirl]

Well, I can't find it in mine, that word infirmities, so i'll use the kjv, i see it here. This is what you are taling about:

2 Corinthians 12 : 1 - 10
1 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. 2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth 4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. 5 Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities. 6 For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me. 7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. 8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. 9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

Paul is speaking about the thorn in his side. He is not speaking about an illness. This is of the adversary, satan, and you actually provide a good example against your own argument.

yes, I used the KJV

Paul is speaking in the plural - if you notice he says infirmities, reproaches, in necessities, persecutions, distresses - all plural

g769 - astheneia - infirmities

definition:


1) want of strength, weakness, infirmity
a) of the body
1) its native weakness and frailty
2) feebleness of health or sickness
b) of the soul
1) want of strength and capacity requisite
a) to understand a thing
b) to do things great and glorious
c) to restrain corrupt desires d) to bear trials and troubles


Paul also speaks the exact same thing in these texts:

2Cr 11:30 If 1487 I must needs 1163 glory 2744 , I will glory 2744 of the things which concern 3588 mine 3450 infirmities 769.

2Cr 12:5 Of 5228 such an one 5108 will I glory 2744 : yet 1161 of 5228 myself 1683 I will 2744 0 not 3756 glory 2744 , but 1508 in 1722 mine 3450 infirmities 769

[this is before he speaks of his thorn]

 

[IgnatiusOfAntioch]

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satan is capable of and does healings as well.

I don't believe there is any biblical basis for your statement. Could you please give NT proof of satan doing healings?

so you all are saying that healings done in satanism and witchcraft are of God?

witchdoctors heal as well

I am looking for how you can support of your contention that Satan actually healed anyone. Please give New Testament Scripture that supports it. I think you will find that your are incorrect, there is no NT Scriptural support for such a notion.

 

[IamGodslittlegirl]

I am looking for how you can support of your contention that Satan actually healed anyone. Please give New Testament Scripture that supports it. I think you will find that your are incorrect, there is no NT Scriptural support for such a notion.

I am going to let the texts speak for themselves with added word meanings from strongs. It’s not difficult to see that the signs and wonders of satan are identical in nature to what Jesus and the Apostles did, which includes healing.

2 Thess 2:9-11[Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

working <g1753> energia
1) working, efficiency
a) in the NT used only of superhuman power, whether of God or of the Devil

power <1411> dunamis
1) strength power, ability
a) inherent power, power residing in a thing by virtue of its nature, or which a person or thing exerts and puts forth
b) power for performing miracles
c) moral power and excellence of soul
d) the power and influence which belong to riches and wealth
e) power and resources arising from numbers
f) power consisting in or resting upon armies, forces, hosts

signs <g4592> semeion
1) a sign, mark, token
a) that by which a person or a thing is distinguished from others and is known
b) a sign, prodigy, portent, i.e. an unusual occurrence, transcending the common course of nature
1) of signs portending remarkable events soon to happen
2) of miracles and wonders by which God authenticates the men sent by him, or by which men prove that the cause they are pleading is God's

wonders <5059> teras
1) a prodigy, portent
2) miracle: performed by any one


other texts that use these same Greek words:

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.


Mar 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if [it were] possible, even the elect.

2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that comes preaches another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if you receive another spirit, which you have not received, or another gospel, which you have not accepted, you might well bear with him ...... 13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Jhn 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.


Act 4:30 By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.


Act 5:12 And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people; (and they were all with one accord in Solomon's porch.


Act 14:3 Long time therefore abode they speaking boldly in the Lord, which gave testimony unto the word of his grace, and granted signs and wonders to be done by their hands.


Rom 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.


Hbr 2:4 God also bearing [them] witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?

Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

Mark 16:17-18 And these signs <g4592> shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Rev 13:11And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 And he doeth great wonders <4592>, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by [the means of] those miracles <g4592> which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

 

[stone]

satan has power, but he can not heal

iag littlegirl,

you've been asked repeatedly to provide scripture to your pov. Yet, you do not, because there is none.

 

[IamGodslittlegirl]

satan has power, but he can not heal

iag littlegirl,

you've been asked repeatedly to provide scripture to your pov. Yet, you do not, because there is none.

sorry, but the Bible disagrees with you. Healing is a sign and a wonder as I proved through scripture and the meaning of the Greek words used. Actually, the text in Rev says it all the beast gets healed and raised from the dead because of a head wound - that is healing

 

[SonOfSophroniscus]

Come now my most excellent fellow, let's have no more of your cunning tricks. You said that Communism doesn't work, and I asked why, only to be told again in polemic [with a bit of rhetorical hocus-pocus] that it doesn't actually work.

Oh, and if you consider "Dozens of countries have tried it in various permutations. It has proven to be a system that has not, does not, and will not ever work in the real world" a sufficient counter-argument, then you are very much mistaken.

Firstly, countries that have attempted 'Communism' not transited from feudal systems, an eventuality forewarned us by Marx. His premise "Nations must first go through Feudalism, and fully developed Capitalism, till Communism can be properly aimed at" still stands strong.

Secondly, it's an invalid inference, as I shall now demonstrate:

1. Socialism hasn't worked in the past
2. Socialism doesn't work at present
3. Therefore, Communism will not work in the future.

Even if the premises entailed that conclusion, then the argument could simply be blocked at premise 2, with a reference to Scandinavian governments.

Neither would I dream of forcing a system upon you. When we have such a system [assuming that we achieve it before your good selves]; you will want to take the paradigm, and emulate it in your present one.

You are talking theoretics. Communism does work on paper in an ideal world. In point of fact it always fails in the real world. It is a totally false and specious system. Dozens of countries have tried it in various permutations. It has proven to be a system that has not, does not, and will not ever work in the real world.
But don't let me burst your fantasy if you need that kind of crutch to deal with the world. God ahead and believe your the made up world.

Just don't try to push it on me!!!