Question about Atkins

[JOE8585]

i'm not saying that everyone should stop because its the diet of the Anti-Christ or anything. the point is that you have to restrict some of the most healthy things for you and substitute it for high fat, and cholesterol foods like bacon. you substitute the most healthy for the most devistating (pork) and this makes no sense.

like i said i'm not demanding people to stop, only trying to inform that there are much healthier ways of acheiving goals. yes you lose weight with Adkins, yes you lose it fast. and this is where the problem lies. we all live in a fast pace, need results now type of world. and as i stated in my previous post, just because you lose weight faster doesn't mean that you are becoming healthier.

you talked about how much healthier you are now because you have to cook instead of eating fast food. not to be rude but do you think the only way to accomplish this is to start the adkins diet. or that dr. adkins personally gave you the will power to do this? the point is that you would lose weight anyways by cutting the fast food, and picking up a diet full of fruits and veggies.

i'm in no way trying to tell everyone that the adkins diet is evil or at best harmful to your body. i'm just telling you that this adkins diet isn't a God send miracle. you can get the same results by drinking plenty of water, eating plenty of fruits and veggies, restricting calories, and exercise. and at the same time become healthier, lower blood pressure, lower cholesterol, etc.

basically if you are wanting to lose weight...then join dr. Adkins. if you are wanting to become the most healthy version of you, then there are other ways to acheive this than restricting veggies and load up on eggs and bacon.

 

[Dagna]

LOL...I don't eat eggs or bacon. I despise pork and have never eaten it, even bacon and sausage. Yuck. And eggs certainly aren't my favorite thing since I'm not a big breakfast person and I can't seem to hard-boil an egg without destroying the egg. I've tried restricting just fat and calories, and exercising but it doesn't work very well for me. I did manage to maintain my weight like that but I couldn't seem to drop any of it. Starting Atkins did encourage me to start cooking and eating healthier. I can't just grab a weight watchers frozen meal and go, which is what I usually did since I felt that I didn't have time to cook. I make time to cook now so that I'm eating healthy. Believe me, Idon't think a breakfast/snack of celery, a lunch of tuna salad or a grilled chicken salad, and a dinner of a piece of chicken and some broccoli is going to kill me or give me a heart attack any time soon. So it works for me. You just need to remember that not all diets work for all people. I know people that have lost on a portion-controlled, low fat, low calorie diet. I know people that tried that and didn't lose because they were eating a ton of carbs, I know people that did a low fat low cal diet and lost the weight but then put it back on only to lose it and keep it off on atkins. I've known people that started out with incredibly high blood pressure, and after starting on Atkins have managed to keep it under control without medication, same with high cholesterol and even diabetes. Does it work for everyone? No it doesn't, but it does work for some people.

 

[JOE8585]

but most people look at it simply as a carb diet. meaning don't eat bread, don't eat, starch, don't eat sugar, but i can eat anything else. some people think that as long as they don't eat those that they can eat their body weight in cheese, or two bacon, sausage, egg and cheese biscuit, minus the biscuit for breakfast every morning. they think that you can eat two pounds of read meat and a side of pork chop and they will be just fine.

your diet and out look is healthy except you could use a little more than celery are a cup of broccoli a day. granted you don't have many carbs in your meal plan you just described but the main thing is that you are eating portions and that you are restricting calories.

with what you just said you probably only eat 1500 cal. or less a day, and anyone would lose weight with that, if you have carbs or not.

 

[2Bhumble]

Joe-

I agree that the low carb diets may work for a while is because calories are being cut from the diet not the carbs. If I have an omelette, for example, I'm eating xx calories. If I have a couple of slices of toast that adds around 200 calories. That adds up over time. Losing weight is a very simple process: If your body has a caloric surplus over time, you'll gain weight. If your body has a caloric deficit (within reason), you'll lose weight. However, if you "starve" yourself, your metabolism will slow down as your body fights to survive. How much caloric deficit? Losing a pound or two per week is a good gauge for not losing too much too fast - no "starvation" mode. These are just my thoughts as I'm not a nutritionist (but I am happy with my weight!)

 

[Dagna]

You're probably right Joe. It may be that I'm losing weight because i'm restricting calories. I honestly don't know the scientific or nutrional logic behind it completely but it works for me. I try to eat more veggies, there's just very few that I really enjoy, and unfortunately the fiancee doesn't like many of them, and with it being winter, I'm stuck with frozen vegetables since I can't find any decent fresh and I won't eat canned vegetables, since most have added sodium and I just can't imagine how they would be good for you. But yea, no starches for me, I may have a potato every now and then when I hit my goal weight, but no bread unless it's whole wheat and no pasta. I think I like Atkins because it encourages you to make food fresh and also to avoid overly processed foods, like pasta, or white bread. Oh and caffeine. I can't remember the last time I had a soda to be honest, and I'm much happier drinking water or iced tea now. But some people just take the "all the meat you can eat" idea a little too far. I couldn't imagine having all that. I eat a steak every now and then, but only if I can get a really good steak which costs an arm & a leg. I'm eat more poultry and fish than steak and like I said before. Can't stand pork. I don't know how anyone can eat that.

 

[Key Of David]

Joe-

Losing a pound or two per week is a good gauge for not losing too much too fast - no "starvation" mode. These are just my thoughts as I'm not a nutritionist (but I am happy with my weight!)

I would say that if you are losing (or gaining for that matter) more than a pound a week you are losing muscle with fat and gaining fat with your muscle. You don't need to be a nutritionist as some would try to make you believe....just informed about what your body is doing.

 

[catalyst]

boy i have a few things to say to a few different post.

Catalyst,

while it is obvious that you are somewhat knowledgible, and definitly obvious that you know how to cut and paste other peoples articles.

Actually, the only cut and paste was of research abstracts, not articles. This is called supporting your position, and is far different from simply making unsupported assertions.

but bottom line is this. Calorie reduction is the only and best way to lose weight. yes you can prove that on the Adkins diet you will lose weight, but what i want you to see is the on this diet you are also restricting calories.

Where have I said otherwise? I have, pretty much ad nauseum, stated that a diet was a caloric deficit, or the introduction of the catabolic (wasting) process. I do not need this pointed out, given that I have alread said it.

any diet that says not to eat fruits and veggies is pure stupidity.

Support this, please. I seem to ask that a lot.

there are more antibiotics, more health improving substance, more vitamins in fruits and veggies than in any other type of food.

Really? Like protein, for example, which we need to supply the eight essential and two conditionally essential amino acids? Umm, no. Furthermore, given the lack of proper fertilization processes utilized unless one purchases special, organic, properly treated fruits and vegetables, it is difficult to obtain a proper micronutrient intake from fruits and vegetables any more. We, as a general rule, only return three minerals to the earth, by way of example.

you have posted what seems to be a million articles full of diet jargin, that most people will never even understand so as far as i can see you are basically wasting space on this thread.

Or they could simply ask questions. This is fairly easy.

you need all the big words to realize what common sense will make the most clear.

Really?

cut back on calories, excercise, drink plenty of water, and God forbid do NOT stop eating the most health foods (fruits, veggies)

Support, and I mean with evidence, that fruits and vegetables are the most healthful foods. Mind you, it is far simple to get the essential aminos and EFA's from animal products, so how you go about defining this is pretty much a matter of opinion. Once again, another assertion.

you posted on this thread studys that show that you lose six times more weight faster on the Adkins diet. and my response to this is, just because you lose faster does not in any way, shape or form mean that you are healthier.

No where have I stated otherwise. I was only answering questions with respect to the efficacy of a ketogenic diet.

f i get desperate i can go out and get HIV or cancer and i will lose weight even faster than on Adkins. just because you lose fast doesn't mean your body is internally heathier.

Nice straw man.

 

[catalyst]

i'm not saying that everyone should stop because its the diet of the Anti-Christ or anything. the point is that you have to restrict some of the most healthy things for you and substitute it for high fat, and cholesterol foods like bacon. you substitute the most healthy for the most devistating (pork) and this makes no sense.

No, you must not. Easy to get lean cuts of beef, venison (my particular favorite) etc. I am not sure if this is simply a lack of understanding on your part or yet another straw man. Either way, it is quite incorrect.

like i said i'm not demanding people to stop, only trying to inform that there are much healthier ways of acheiving goals. yes you lose weight with Adkins, yes you lose it fast. and this is where the problem lies. we all live in a fast pace, need results now type of world. and as i stated in my previous post, just because you lose weight faster doesn't mean that you are becoming healthier.

Once again you mis-state other people's positions and do not support your own.

i'm in no way trying to tell everyone that the adkins diet is evil or at best harmful to your body. i'm just telling you that this adkins diet isn't a God send miracle.

No one has said it has. Or if they did, the post mysteriously got deleted between the time you posted this and I replied.

you can get the same results by drinking plenty of water, eating plenty of fruits and veggies, restricting calories, and exercise. and at the same time become healthier, lower blood pressure, lower cholesterol, etc.

Prove it.

basically if you are wanting to lose weight...then join dr. Adkins. if you are wanting to become the most healthy version of you, then there are other ways to acheive this than restricting veggies and load up on eggs and bacon.

Yet another unsupported assertion followed by a straw man. If that guy loses any more support, he will come crashing down.

 

[catalyst]

but most people look at it simply as a carb diet. meaning don't eat bread, don't eat, starch, don't eat sugar, but i can eat anything else. some people think that as long as they don't eat those that they can eat their body weight in cheese, or two bacon, sausage, egg and cheese biscuit, minus the biscuit for breakfast every morning. they think that you can eat two pounds of read meat and a side of pork chop and they will be just fine.

Really? I bet I know far more people who have utilized ketogenic diets than you do, something about this being related to my profession and all. And I will point out that this is yet another straw man on your part.

 

[catalyst]

Joe-

I agree that the low carb diets may work for a while is because calories are being cut from the diet not the carbs.

Actually, I have posted at least one study along with a follow up article that shows when diet is the sole factor wrt weight loss, a ketogenic diet is slightly more efficient, even when equal calories are being consumed.

There are plusses and minuses to both a Standard Ketogenic Diet as well as a low fat diet, and the trick is finding which (or what other protocol) works for you.

 

[catalyst]

I would say that if you are losing (or gaining for that matter) more than a pound a week you are losing muscle with fat and gaining fat with your muscle. You don't need to be a nutritionist as some would try to make you believe....just informed about what your body is doing.

This depends on the individual more than anything else. The only way to be sure is to have a regular body composition analysis performed by a competent professional. It can be done (as in lose more than a pound a week without significant muscle loss) but it is difficult at best.

And except for beginners, any diet will introduce a certain amount of muscle loss. The goal is, or should be, to lose as little as possible.

 

[Miss Mayberry]

What specifically can you have on this diet?
What specifically must you avoid on this diet?
How old is this diet?
What happened to Dr. Atkins?

1. You can have meat, eggs, salad and cheese.
2. Carbohydrates! Examples of foods high in carbs are: Bread, rice, potatoes.
3. I don't know exactly how old this diet is, but it has been around long enough to be proven.
4. Dr. Atkins slipped on an ice cube on the way into a meeting.

http://www.atkins.com has all the info you need.

 

[Key Of David]

1. You can have cholesteral and cancer.
2. Yes, choose from all of the myriads of refined white carbs which make your sugar levels SORE!
3. Just ask any anorexic heart attack victim.
4. And I have some ocean front property to sell you in Arizona.

 

[catalyst]

1. Is it possible to support your arguments?
2. Is it possible to support your arguments?
3. Is it possible to support your arguments?
4. If the answer to any of the above is no, Key of David is simply trolling.

 

[JOE8585]

catalyst, may i ask what profession you are in?

 

[Lanakila]

Anyone who hasn't read the book Atkin's for life, really doesn't know what the heck they are talking about. The first few chapters of the book have convinced me. Atkin's works because our bodies process meat and fats better than fruits and veggies. We need them both in a healthy diet, but the processed flour, rice, and potatoes turn to sugar in your bloodstream. The western world for the most part is growing more obese as the years go by. If you are like me and diabetes runs in your family, you should be wary of continuing on a high carb diet.

Of course we need some carbs, but not as much as most of us would eat on a normal western diet. I wonder how many carbs are contained in a McDonalds Big Mac value meal, supersized with a Coke? Enough for 3 days most likely. Its no wonder we are fat, eating all that.

 

[JOE8585]

OUR BODIES PROCESS MEAT BETTER THAN VEGGIES!!!!!???????


read the geninsis the orginal diet that God made and had planned for man to live by was vegitarian diet. now from dr. Adkins we can conclude a couple of things.

1) that God didn't have a clue about what was best for man's health
or
2) that Dr. adkins is wrong.

i think i will side with God on this one.

and you are correct when saying that we all eat way to many carbs. we also as americans eat way too many calories, and way to much fat, and way too much cholesterol, and we drink way too much caffene. the answer is not in simply cutting the carbs, but creating a complete balanced diet, and that is how you will lose weight but at the same time become all around healthier.

 

[Lanakila]

I am not a Christian, as as an atheist, I totally disagree with you. Man started out as a hunter-gatherer and therefore lived primarily from a diet of meat for centuries. The veggan diet isn't healthy at all. They have to work so hard to get the protein your body needs.

 

[Multi-Elis]

The fact is that when humans eat meat, or grains or hard cheeses, it makes their blood more acidic in a way that causes the calcium to not get absorbed. That sounds like a health nut statement, and it is when taken out of context. It would take too long to explain. However, it puts in question how healthy eating meat really is.Carbohydrate packed grains appeared with the agrocultural revolution. A good way to keep from starvation, but what about the years of pleinty?

My question about the atkin's diet is the following: Are you allowed to eat beans peas and lentals, even though they have carbohydrates?

 

[Lanakila]

Some. You have to measure your carb intake, by counting them. You also should eat some leafy veggies as well. You will be constipated if you don't eat some veggies, but just not that many. For example a cup of cooked northern beans has 40 carbs, so during the induction phase you couldn't eat them, but after that you just have to balance your carb intake. I am trying to stay under 100 carbs a day everyday, and even measure out pasta so I can eat a little occasionally (not every day). I am not losing weight as fast as I would on a 60 carb a day diet, but enjoying life is important to me as well, and I do enjoy eating.

There are other diets that are similar to Atkins that give or take a little on the carbs, but a lower carb/ kick the sugar diet does work to lose weight, and in fact encreases energy.