Question about academic integrity

[flipflop2234]

Public school is still school, it isn't of lesser importance... the Lord desires His children to be young ladies and young men who will honor Him...he don't want us setting bad examples whether we be in public school, college, at work, around our friends...we are to have integrity.
Stop cheating/ stealing/being deceptive-- repent of that and study for tests.

If you need help, then ask about getting someone to tutor you in the courses that are problematic... also seek someone to mentor you spiritually.

The cycle of cheating/ stealing/being deceptive needs to be
nipped in the bud asap!
Right now is a great time to start, please don't delay, cause this
will habit of cheating/being deceptive will cause you to stumble.

Why doesn't the teacher think of his/her own questions?
Are the answers also given with the questions in a test bank?

I'm not really sure, he probably doesn't think of his own because it would be a lot of work. Yes the answers are given. When studying them I would usually just look at the question and the answer so I wouldn't put any wrong answers in my head, only the right ones were the ones I would be able to know.

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[flipflop2234]

What I'm finding is that test banks are from a publisher of a book.
Only schools and teachers are supposed to have them for the current study
material for a class. There must be proof to the publisher that a person is a teacher. Did also find where maybe a library can have access to ones for older textbooks. The test banks are copyright type of helps for teachers that
are found...sometimes sold on the internet, but are not legal for students to have. Did the teachers warn against using them for study? You need to tell
your parents before you tell anyone else about using one.

A classmate bought it off some website. I'm not exactly sure which site they got it from but apparently the site got shut down shortly after they purchased it. The teacher never warned about using test banks.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Hello, this is my first post on this forum so please forgive me if I format poorly. I truly don't know what to do here. To give you context, I am 18 and about to finish highschool. I have cheated plenty of times in the past whether it be a copied assignment here or a formula that was punched in my calculator before a quiz. Upon coming back to my faith (3-4 months ago) I haven't cheated much at all but I can't help feeling overwhelming guilt over cheating as if my diploma I will soon be handed has been tainted. I feel that if I accept this diploma and move onto college I will lie to everyone. I will lie to my highschool that I earned my grades. I will lie to my college that I earned my highschool graduation, and I will lie to my future employer that I was rightfully admitted into college. Seems like the only option is to drop out?? It seems too extreme but at the same time could be what I am called to do. I saw a similar post about this topic about a fellow who was feeling bad about cheating in college and someone responded with
You are committing willful sin, cheating, lying, stealing, having someone else lie for you and worst of all, praying to God, you are not a doctor or a heart specialist. You should stand up, and you did not earn your degree. You are well aware of it, and you want the Christians to feel sorry for you and sing Kumbaya, you need to not graduate. It is a lie. You have continued in this sin, from high school. I do not feel your sorrow. I hear your excuses and you wanting to get validated, to ease your conscience. When you go for a job interview, the lies will continue. Where does it end. True Repentance, is not only confession of sin, but restoration of the stolen property. In this case, your diploma is a lie and your spouse to be, your parents and yourself is still being manipulated. Just recently, we have had cases, where people have done the same exact thing, and 30 years later, other people have suffered for this seemingly simple, manipulation. I pray for you. it is not the end of the world. But you need to do the right thing. Your mind would be freed, by not accepting that paper. God is present in all these actions, and Christ is being shamed. Free yourself, by speaking the truth. Your whole life will be made much better, and you will have a testimony, for other kids. Be a radical for Christ. The fact that the Holy Spirit is convicting you and you did not remedy the situation, is the reason for your guilty conscience and lack lustre feeling. A Christian always acts on Conviction from the Holy Spirit, or else he will not continue to dwell in a willfull sinning and not repenting fully. Then you would be left up to the error of you ways and the consequences of your actions. What does it profit one, to gain the whole world and their soul is not right with Almighty God. One lie continues from High School then college. I hope you see the pattern here. It is not too late to make things right. Your choice."


This seems very harsh but I was wondering if it holds truth or not. At first I was sure I had to drop out but I'm sure I was dishonest at times in middle school, by this logic I would have to deny the dact that I was educated up to 8th grade! My parents and peers would be very surprised and upset with me if I gave it all up and even my christian brother who I have confided in says to just keep going and that I have been made clean by the blood of Jesus and not cheat again. I am at a loss guys. Please help a fellow christian brother for I have already cried out to Jesus and prayer and asked for forgiveness and guidance and now I call to all of you

FlipFlop,

As a fellow Christian, but also as a former student and teacher, my view is that you should keep it to yourself so you don't damage your already tenuous future (i.e. a future that is being set up for major failure by your persistent lack of integrity and effort).

But, here's the caveat in what I'm saying here: you should keep it to yourself, but if you want to be a Christian, you really, really need to get your tendency to 'lie and cheat' under control. Maybe, you need some professional counseling.

The other caveat is this: if you go to the university or college, don't be under the impression that the logistics of the program will allow you to lie and cheat as you did in high school. Typically, the faculity, administration, and the infrastructure is programed and placed such that...you will very sooner or later--if not sooner--get caught, and you will be either put under administrative penalties or outright flunked, with a capital 'F.' So, whatever you got away with in high school, don't go thinking that the faculty and the corporate set up in the universities will be just as open to being duped. No, it will be you who gets the surprise when they slap your little wrist and alleviate you of your opportunity at that college or university.

Moreover, when you get out into the working world, most major corporations have the programs and technology in place to basically watch most of what you're doing...like Big Brother. So, if you still cheat or lie in your occupation, you're going to find yourself going nowhere very fast.

Just sayin'. There's no time like the present to get right with Jesus and work on getting your bad habits under control so as not to derail your future.

Peace,
2PhiloVoid

 

[flipflop2234]

FlipFlop,

As a fellow Christian, but also as a former student and teacher, my view is that you should keep it to yourself so you don't damage your already tenuous future (i.e. a future that is being set up for major failure by your persistent lack of integrity and effort).

But, here's the caveat in what I'm saying here: you should keep it to yourself, but if you want to be a Christian, you really, really need to get your tendency to 'lie and cheat' under control. Maybe, you need some professional counseling.

The other caveat is this: if you go to the university or college, don't be under the impression that the logistics of the program will allow you to lie and cheat as you did in high school. Typically, the faculity, administration, and the infrastructure is programed and placed such that...you will very sooner or later--if not sooner--get caught, and you will be either put under administrative penalties or outright flunked, with a capital 'F.' So, whatever you got away with in high school, don't go thinking that the faculty and the corporate set up in the universities will be just as open to being duped. No, it will be you who gets the surprise when they slap your little wrist and alleviate you of your opportunity at that college or university.

Moreover, when you get out into the working world, most major corporations have the programs and technology in place to basically watch most of what your doing...like Big Brother. So, if you still cheat or lie in your occupation, you're going to find yourself going nowhere very fast.

Just sayin'. There's no time like the present to get right with Jesus and work on getting your bad habits under control so as not to derail your future.

Peace,
2PhiloVoid

I didn't really mention this dude, but the whole reason I was feeling gulty is beause I was trying to monitor all my sinful behavior and put an end to it. I don't think i'm in need of professional help to get it under control because I don't think it will be hard to just stop cheating right now. I also don't have poor effort considering the constant work I did to get a great ACT score and good grades in my other classes. Along with this I have came back to my faith and put forth the effort to change my ways. It's not fair to say that I'm not trying.

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[flipflop2234]

If you knew test banks are only for teachers that contact somehow
a publisher, then you knew it was not legal or at least wrong to a huge
degree. To me, looking at that test bank was no different than swiping a copy
of the test/s. You need to tell your parents. Also, see you started a new thread. We want to help you think things through as to what steps you should
take to clear your conscience. Lighten the load on it some. We needed to get more of your situation detailed to us to help us get a better picture of what
you are dealing with in school.

You have to realize that I didn't know anything at all. All I knew was that someone my friend knew bought the test bank online and that if I wanted an easy grade on the tests then I could study off them. 150 questions on the bank and 50 would be on the actual test. I wasn't memorizing A B D C I was memorizing the actual content of the questions.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I didn't really mention this dude, but the whole reason I was feeling gulty is beause I was trying to monitor all my sinful behavior and put an end to it. I don't think i'm in need of professional help to get it under control because I don't think it will be hard to just stop cheating right now. I also don't have poor effort considering the constant work I did to get a great ACT score and good grades in my other classes. Along with this I have came back to my faith and put forth the effort to change my ways. It's not fair to say that I'm not trying.

Well, it is fair, and I'm doing a favor to you here. If you lie and cheat in even just one class at the university level, depending on the egregious level of the offense, it could affect your ENTIRE opportunity at that university, not just for that 'one' class like it did in high school. I'm just giving you a heads up.

Notice too, I didn't suggest that you should go tell everyone about your missteps in high school. Just don't ruin your future, dude.

Peace,
2PhiloVoid

 

[flipflop2234]

Well, it is fair, and I'm doing a favor to you here. If you lie and cheat in even just one class at the university level, depending on the egregious level of the offense, it could affect your ENTIRE opportunity at that university, not just for that 'one' class like it did in high school. I'm just giving you a heads up.

Notice too, I didn't suggest that you should go tell everyone about your missteps in high school. Just don't ruin your future, dude.

Peace,
2PhiloVoid

Is my future really what matters? What use is worldly gain if I lose my life eternally?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Is my future really what matters? What use is worldly gain if I lose my life eternally?

Well, I'd say that you're interpretation of that verse is probably not as academically well-placed as it should be. God does expect you to be productive and useful in the life He's given you, both for yourself and for your possible wife and kids, and maybe neighbors.

 

[flipflop2234]

Well, I'd say that you're interpretation of that verse is probably not as academically well-placed as it should be. God does expect you to be productive and useful in this life He's given you, both for yourself and for your possible wife and kids, and maybe neighbors.

I guess I'll just not use the banks anymore and not cheat ever again and move,on

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I guess I'll just not use the banks anymore and not cheat ever again and move,on

That sounds like the wise thing to do, brother.

 

[Cimorene]

I think your OCD is making you obsess about this so much. I think you did something wrong but the right thing to do is to confess it to God & to not make the same wrongs again.

 

[Rescued One]

I cheated in math in third grade. The result is that ever since I panic whenever I have to do math in my head. You've cheated yourself for sure. I hope you realize that learning the hard way (buy honest study and hard work) is the way God intended for us to learn and you'll reap what you sow. Just do your best even if the grades are disappointing. I could never make straight A's like some of my siblings.

 

[Deadworm]

As a professor, I once gave a long multiple choice exam. I noticed that a young woman was cheating by copying her boyfriend's answers. Why? Because unbeknownst to them, I had scrambled the sequence of their questions. Thy guy did well but the girl flunked. I gave the same exam with several scrambled sequences. She was very upset at not being informed of my method of minimizing cheating on such an exam.

 

[Deadworm]

As a professor, I once gave a long multiple choice exam. I noticed that a young woman was cheating by copying her boyfriend's answers. I ignored this, chuckling to myself. Why? Because unbeknownst to them, I had scrambled the sequence of their questions. Thy guy did well but the girl flunked. I gave the same exam with several scrambled sequences. She was very upset at not being informed of my method of minimizing cheating on such an exam.

I had a grad school friend who told me how one of his engineering professor friend's caught a student cheating. The student had used an excessively accurate formula to too many decimal places to memorize. So when the student handed in the exam, the professor noticed that, turned the exam upside down, and demanded, "Write the formula again!" The student could not do so!

 

[PastorFreud]

So let me give an opinion that has nothing to do with your religious faith.

I used to teach college classes and now I teach high school. Teacher KNOW that cheating happens. And there are different types of cheating. Studying test banks is not the kind of cheating we worry about. You know the questions, you know the answers. Good teachers don't want to trip you up. And it is about more than just the content. It is also about the way you think and process information. The workload can be overwhelming at times, and collaborating is good. If someone else were doing your work for you, then that would be a concern (and you haven't suggested anything like that.) But we have essay questions on in class tests, etc. We do throw in a question that isn't in the test bank. (Or a good teacher should, at least.)

However, if you don't get on top of the "cheating," then it will one day come back and haunt you. I love catching the younger students cheating and helping them course correct. They recover and bounce back with a mission. But the ones who get away with it delay getting caught until the consequences are more severe and it is harder to bounce back from. As long as you aren't kidding yourself about being able to address this, you'll be fine.

OCD is real and tough. I find that the kids who are OCD and under a lot of pressure are more likely to cheat. They also really don't need to cheat as most of them would pass without it, it just wouldn't be a "perfect" score. The OCD bit worries me more because this could be genuinely disabling if you continue moving forward without addressing it. Guilt is a useless emotion, punishing you for something in the past you cannot change. You are forgiven. Change your future.

 

[pshun2404]

Hello, this is my first post on this forum so please forgive me if I format poorly. I truly don't know what to do here. To give you context, I am 18 and about to finish highschool. I have cheated plenty of times in the past whether it be a copied assignment here or a formula that was punched in my calculator before a quiz. Upon coming back to my faith (3-4 months ago) I haven't cheated much at all but I can't help feeling overwhelming guilt over cheating as if my diploma I will soon be handed has been tainted. I feel that if I accept this diploma and move onto college I will lie to everyone. I will lie to my highschool that I earned my grades. I will lie to my college that I earned my highschool graduation, and I will lie to my future employer that I was rightfully admitted into college. Seems like the only option is to drop out?? It seems too extreme but at the same time could be what I am called to do. I saw a similar post about this topic about a fellow who was feeling bad about cheating in college and someone responded with
You are committing willful sin, cheating, lying, stealing, having someone else lie for you and worst of all, praying to God, you are not a doctor or a heart specialist. You should stand up, and you did not earn your degree. You are well aware of it, and you want the Christians to feel sorry for you and sing Kumbaya, you need to not graduate. It is a lie. You have continued in this sin, from high school. I do not feel your sorrow. I hear your excuses and you wanting to get validated, to ease your conscience. When you go for a job interview, the lies will continue. Where does it end. True Repentance, is not only confession of sin, but restoration of the stolen property. In this case, your diploma is a lie and your spouse to be, your parents and yourself is still being manipulated. Just recently, we have had cases, where people have done the same exact thing, and 30 years later, other people have suffered for this seemingly simple, manipulation. I pray for you. it is not the end of the world. But you need to do the right thing. Your mind would be freed, by not accepting that paper. God is present in all these actions, and Christ is being shamed. Free yourself, by speaking the truth. Your whole life will be made much better, and you will have a testimony, for other kids. Be a radical for Christ. The fact that the Holy Spirit is convicting you and you did not remedy the situation, is the reason for your guilty conscience and lack lustre feeling. A Christian always acts on Conviction from the Holy Spirit, or else he will not continue to dwell in a willfull sinning and not repenting fully. Then you would be left up to the error of you ways and the consequences of your actions. What does it profit one, to gain the whole world and their soul is not right with Almighty God. One lie continues from High School then college. I hope you see the pattern here. It is not too late to make things right. Your choice."

My child, your walk with Christ must not be predicated on the things YOU have done (good or bad...this is the law) but His call is allabout you accepting what HE has done for you. If you have done that one thing (for He has obviously accepted you) then no longer think on these things...leaving behind the things that are past move forward into His future for you. Your contrition is becoming for one so young but make no excuse but now move forward into tomorrow WITH Him in you and at your side. BE who you believe you can become and do not judge yourself while you grow. You are His beloved and all that past is crucified with Him...you are a New Creature in Christ and have a new perspective. You have been graced now walk each day in grace sowing the seeds of the fruit OF the Spirit by the Spirit in you...be patient as you cultivate...in due season you will reap.

When we get stuck between the pains, errors, and sins of the past and the worries and concerns for the future we miss Him NOW...ever be with Him NOW....and the Lord will bless as you walk in that grace.

 

[rockytopva]

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: - 1 John 2:1

I would confess any sins before God, and simply correct my paths.

 

[Open Heart]

Hello, this is my first post on this forum so please forgive me if I format poorly. I truly don't know what to do here. To give you context, I am 18 and about to finish highschool. I have cheated plenty of times in the past whether it be a copied assignment here or a formula that was punched in my calculator before a quiz. Upon coming back to my faith (3-4 months ago) I haven't cheated much at all but I can't help feeling overwhelming guilt over cheating as if my diploma I will soon be handed has been tainted. I feel that if I accept this diploma and move onto college I will lie to everyone. I will lie to my highschool that I earned my grades. I will lie to my college that I earned my highschool graduation, and I will lie to my future employer that I was rightfully admitted into college. Seems like the only option is to drop out?? It seems too extreme but at the same time could be what I am called to do. I saw a similar post about this topic about a fellow who was feeling bad about cheating in college and someone responded with
You are committing willful sin, cheating, lying, stealing, having someone else lie for you and worst of all, praying to God, you are not a doctor or a heart specialist. You should stand up, and you did not earn your degree. You are well aware of it, and you want the Christians to feel sorry for you and sing Kumbaya, you need to not graduate. It is a lie. You have continued in this sin, from high school. I do not feel your sorrow. I hear your excuses and you wanting to get validated, to ease your conscience. When you go for a job interview, the lies will continue. Where does it end. True Repentance, is not only confession of sin, but restoration of the stolen property. In this case, your diploma is a lie and your spouse to be, your parents and yourself is still being manipulated. Just recently, we have had cases, where people have done the same exact thing, and 30 years later, other people have suffered for this seemingly simple, manipulation. I pray for you. it is not the end of the world. But you need to do the right thing. Your mind would be freed, by not accepting that paper. God is present in all these actions, and Christ is being shamed. Free yourself, by speaking the truth. Your whole life will be made much better, and you will have a testimony, for other kids. Be a radical for Christ. The fact that the Holy Spirit is convicting you and you did not remedy the situation, is the reason for your guilty conscience and lack lustre feeling. A Christian always acts on Conviction from the Holy Spirit, or else he will not continue to dwell in a willfull sinning and not repenting fully. Then you would be left up to the error of you ways and the consequences of your actions. What does it profit one, to gain the whole world and their soul is not right with Almighty God. One lie continues from High School then college. I hope you see the pattern here. It is not too late to make things right. Your choice."


This seems very harsh but I was wondering if it holds truth or not. At first I was sure I had to drop out but I'm sure I was dishonest at times in middle school, by this logic I would have to deny the dact that I was educated up to 8th grade! My parents and peers would be very surprised and upset with me if I gave it all up and even my christian brother who I have confided in says to just keep going and that I have been made clean by the blood of Jesus and not cheat again. I am at a loss guys. Please help a fellow christian brother for I have already cried out to Jesus and prayer and asked for forgiveness and guidance and now I call to all of you

Cheating is the sin of stealing, because you are taking another person's work or answers and passing it off as your own.

Do you believe you learned the material despite your cheating? IOW did you just cheat to get out of boring homework, or were you not able to pass tests without cheating? If you didn't learn the material, you cannot graduate because you have not earned your degree. Having a diploma would be A LIE. If you believe you have learned the material and were just lazy, then the resolve to change your bad habit should be enough.

You see, repentance isn't just saying "God, I feel bad about what I did, I won't do it any more." It ALSO means not keeping the profits of your sin. For example, if you embezzled $50,000, you don't say to God, "Forgive me for embezzling, and help me to invest the money properly."

If you decide it's not honest to graduate, then go study for your GED.
1. Because that is the honest thing to do.
2. Because you aren't going to do well enough in college if you've been cheating your way through High School. There is no substitute for actually learning the material.
3. Because there is value in actual learning.

I would make a face to face confession about this with your pastor. Get some advice.