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Question about abortion.

SlayveX

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I refuse adoption on the grounds that it is my child.

Now the news on things.

I guess she wasn't as devout as she believed she was. This past weekend, we had a paternity test done, and it wasn't, afterall, my child(a bit bummed), so I pushed her to lean towards adoption. I have to admit, the steadfast determination of some of you was a bit inspiring.

However, now that she knows it's not my child, she called me today and told me she's getting an abortion....

*Sigh* some days you just can't win.
 
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SlayveX said:
I guess she wasn't as devout as she believed she was. However, now that she knows it's not my child, she called me today and told me she's getting an abortion....

Odd. Earlier you said, "She [your girlfriend] is a devout Christian, and says there is no way in hell she would get an abortion." I questioned her faith based on the fact that she had enough partners in a short enough period of time that she doesn't even know the paternity of her child. In response, you call me judgmental. Now you acknowledge that she was not as devout as you had previously supposed. Rather ironic, don't you think?

*Sigh* some days you just can't win.

Imagine how the child who is about to be murdered would feel.

God bless
 
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SlayveX said:
I refuse adoption on the grounds that it is my child.

Now the news on things.

I guess she wasn't as devout as she believed she was. This past weekend, we had a paternity test done, and it wasn't, afterall, my child(a bit bummed), so I pushed her to lean towards adoption. I have to admit, the steadfast determination of some of you was a bit inspiring.

However, now that she knows it's not my child, she called me today and told me she's getting an abortion....

*Sigh* some days you just can't win.

I'm glad we had an impact on your rethinking the situation. But I'm sad on her decision to take away the child. Just be careful in your future that you don't end up in this situation again.
 
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Reformationist said:
Imagine how the child who is about to be murdered would feel.

God bless

Well, we don;t know for sure if the "Child" would have survived.

SlayveX said:
I refuse adoption on the grounds that it is my child.

Let me just see if I have this right,

You refuse to let anyone else be the parent to your child, because it's your "Flesh and Blood"

But you don't have a problem with the killing it?

My only advice is Please rethink your stance in life and your issues of what is of true value.

God Bless

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Key said:
Well, we don;t know for sure if the "Child" would have survived.

What do you think the chances are that the child would live if it's sucked out of the womb into a fetal vacuum? I'd say the child has a better chance of surviving if that little event never takes place, what do you think?

God bless
 
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However, now that she knows it's not my child, she called me today and told me she's getting an abortion....

The the blood of the little one is on her.:( May she repent of this evil act, trully accept Jesus as her Savior and be forgiven.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 
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I'm sorry. I'm not usually that vocal, or that rude, but I'm human, and that was my first reaction to your story. I'm a little sensitive to your whole I don't anyone else to have it, so I want it aborted stance. I had a hysterectomy six weeks ago today at the age of 27, so I understand the gift of adoption.

My hope and prayer is that your ex girlfriend realizes that this child is a gift from God, and chooses to keep it, and love it, or give it up for adoption.
 
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Jasminrose said:
I'm sorry. I'm not usually that vocal, or that rude, but I'm human, and that was my first reaction to your story. I'm a little sensitive to your whole I don't anyone else to have it, so I want it aborted stance. I had a hysterectomy six weeks ago today at the age of 27, so I understand the gift of adoption.

My hope and prayer is that your ex girlfriend realizes that this child is a gift from God, and chooses to keep it, and love it, or give it up for adoption.

I'm glad for your apology. It all sounds to me like she was trying to use the child as a snare on the guy.

We are asked by Paul not to judge the world, but we are also told that, very carefully and in fear of our own shortcomings, to judge one another (1Cor 12). This "christian" woman is a pig. Not just her murderous action, for to her who admitted earlier it is wrong the sin is clear, but for her sexual proclivity.

The woman is a pig. The guy is not for us to judge, as he claims a different allegiance.

JR
 
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SlayveX said:
Here goes:

First off, allow me to lay out the current situation:

My girlfriend and I had been together for the better part of about 5 years, we were going strong and slated to eventually get married. Things lately just gradually...fell apart emotionally. The physical attraction still remained strong, but one cannot keep a relationship alive through sex alone, so we've decided to part ways.

Now, through the timespan of our split until about 3 days ago, we've both moved on and both had other partners-keynote #1.

She called me 3 days ago and said she was pregnant-keynote#2

She doesn't know if it's mine, especially since we were unfaithful during our relationship towards the end-keynote#3

We are both of the sound mind and body that neither of us would be able to have a healthy relationship, which would be an unsuitable environment for a baby to grow up in.

My main delima is that I would prefer her to have an abortion to save all future problems, namely, I don't believe in raising a child in a split family if there's a way to prevent it by any means.

She, on the other hand, is a devout christian, and says there is no way in hell she would get an abortion.


I guess my question to you guys is:
How does one convince a christian to have an abortion of a child that has the possibility of not being yours in the first place? If it's mine, I would be bound to love and care for the child as a parental necessity, which would, at this moment in life, destroy any chance of LIVING a life due to current financial and work related situations.

I refuse adoption
She refuses abortion.

You have no right to convince her of anything. What you do have a right to do is stop being irresponsible and practice safe sex to help avoid future situations, since both of you were unfaithful the possibility of things far more debilitating to your future than a child loom over you unless you learn to use a condom effectively.
 
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You know, I hope you've learned a lesson in all of this. Having had an abortion out of necessity (I got really sick out of absolutely nowhere about 7 weeks into it) I can tell you it's not super happy fun time. It hurts. Physically it hurts enough to make you scream and nearly pass out even with 800 mg of ibuprofin in your system, and emotionally it hurts enough to still cause crying spells several years later.

So. Stop your rapant sex streak, or if you refuse to do that for the love of all that is right with the world WRAP IT UP. And staying away from women who sleep around unprotected is also a good idea.

Actually, now that I think of it, going and getting checked for STDs might be a good idea too.
 
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SlayveX said:
Here goes:

First off, allow me to lay out the current situation:

<some snippage here for brevity>

I guess my question to you guys is:
How does one convince a christian to have an abortion of a child that has the possibility of not being yours in the first place? If it's mine, I would be bound to love and care for the child as a parental necessity, which would, at this moment in life, destroy any chance of LIVING a life due to current financial and work related situations.

I refuse adoption
She refuses abortion.

:doh:

Wow. Just.... wow.

What an amazingly screwed up situation all around.

Okay. My honest, absolutely bald, genuine opinion here is that you both sound very selfish and immature, and both need to start acting more like adults - both in this situation, and in the responsible prevention of situations like this happening in the future.

First of all, cheating on your partner, regardless of the reasons, is a rotten thing to do. (It sounds from your post like that may have been the case; if not, my apologies.) In any case, having multiple partners in a short period of time isn't a great idea - as you've both just found out.

Second of all, I have no idea what kind of birth control you guys were using, if any, but it seems to me on the surface of it that you both need to use it more effectively. Which could mean adopting a method in the first place, or using the one you normally use more intelligently, or using more than one method, or deciding not to have sex in the first place until you get your act together.

Thirdly, you don't get to tell your EX significant other what she can and can't do as far as abortion goes. I think it fair to discuss the issue with her, if the child is in fact yours, but in the end it's up to her whether she aborts or not - and in the end, that's a matter that will weigh on her own conscience, for good or ill. Not on yours.

(The fact that she's decided to abort after all, having found out that it isn't your baby, suggests to me that she likely was going to try to use the kid to ensnare you into parenthood if it was yours. Another extraordinarily selfish thing.)

If the child isn't yours (and it seems that it's been established that it isn't), then it isn't any of your bally business what she decides to do. Abort, adopt out, raise it herself, or raise it with the actual father - not your kid, not your responsibility, not your parental right. Period.

Okay, and what was this whole "I don't want to have it but I don't want anybody else to have it either" thing? Here's the solution: if it were yours, and she decided to give it up for adoption, you'd have a decision to make. You could sign over your rights as a parent and let someone else adopt, or else you do the grownup thing and challenge the adoption and raise it yourself. Don't like it? Tough beans. I would've encouraged you to adopt, since it seems clear to me you don't want and aren't ready for a baby right now.

If she decides to abort, your baby or not, again - don't like it? Tough beans.

Look, if sex is happening, potential babies are one possible result. That's the way it goes. And babies will change your life, for better or worse, regardless of whether they were planned or not. And at this point in time, you don't get to be in charge of whether or not your ex aborts, adopts, or keeps the kid. Not fair? Tough. That's the way it is.

At least you have enough sense to realize that the two of you shouldn't be together and shouldn't raise a kid together - that's a good start. So is realizing that a baby isn't something that you want - at least you know that and can take steps to prevent an unplanned pregnancy from happening again, with whomever your next partner is.

And once a kid comes into the picture, stop focusing on what's best for yourself and focus on what's best for the kid.
 
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Just swinging by to see if anyone else had some words of wisdom, and I come to see a few things that stand out and are said in error by what appears to be a lack of reading comprehension.

First off, I saw a few posts saying things along the lines of "Stop having so much sex!" or "wrap it up" or "etc...etc..."

For those of you along those lines of thinking, I never said I was out there having mass orgies at the neighborhood bar and grill, I simply said we've both had sexual partners since our split. If you read the thread as well, you'll notice, lo and behold! It's not his child! So I didn't get her pregnant, hence I was maybe practicing safe sex? Oh, oh, and let me address the 'Pig' part:

I'm the pig? For her getting pregnant by someone else? incredible that you would come to that conclusion.

This thread was originally a question of your opinions on abortion/adoption from a Christian standpoint so that I could try to see the subject from all sides of the matter and attempt to not be bias, not someone's rampant sex life. That's a bit off-topic there guys.
About as off-topic as condemning me to eternal damnation for asking a question that was originally in the NON-Christian section of these boards. When you venture in there, try to walk in without that 'holier than-thou' attitude and try to simply answer through education.

Kthxbye, have a nice day.
 
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SlayveX said:
Just swinging by to see if anyone else had some words of wisdom, and I come to see a few things that stand out and are said in error by what appears to be a lack of reading comprehension.

First off, I saw a few posts saying things along the lines of "Stop having so much sex!" or "wrap it up" or "etc...etc..."

For those of you along those lines of thinking, I never said I was out there having mass orgies at the neighborhood bar and grill, I simply said we've both had sexual partners since our split. If you read the thread as well, you'll notice, lo and behold! It's not his child! So I didn't get her pregnant, hence I was maybe practicing safe sex? Oh, oh, and let me address the 'Pig' part:

I'm the pig? For her getting pregnant by someone else? incredible that you would come to that conclusion.

This thread was originally a question of your opinions on abortion/adoption from a Christian standpoint so that I could try to see the subject from all sides of the matter and attempt to not be bias, not someone's rampant sex life. That's a bit off-topic there guys.
About as off-topic as condemning me to eternal damnation for asking a question that was originally in the NON-Christian section of these boards. When you venture in there, try to walk in without that 'holier than-thou' attitude and try to simply answer through education.

Kthxbye, have a nice day.

Well I think you got your answer: From any viewpoint, the most important thing is not to put yourself in a position where an abortion is necessary.
 
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