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Bungle_Bear

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Suppose everyone agrees about the way things are.

And your memory agrees with theirs.

Are you going to doubt them? Does that make sense?

You know. Even if reality changed.

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That's cool when everyone agrees. What about when we don't agree? Why should the minority explanation, which has absolutely zero evidential support, be considered preferable to the majority explanation which has gobs and gobs of support?

Faulty memory? Multiple experiments demonstrating that memory can be faulty.
Mandela Effect? A handful of people who cannot accept that memory can be faulty and rely on demonstrably faulty memory to make their argument.
 
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That's cool when everyone agrees. What about when we don't agree?

Why are we agreeing? False memory should have multiple versions.

That's not what we find. The memory is the same for everyone.
 
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Why are we agreeing? False memory should have multiple versions.

That's not what we find. The memory is the same for everyone.
Well, no it isn't. Not everyone remembers the same thing or we wouldn't have ideas like the 'Mandela effect'. And even the people that remember an incorrect version of some particular thing, don't all remember the same thing. It's true that there are common mistakes, but that's because human perception and memory work in very similar ways between individuals and are subject to the same sorts of flaws, biases, and glitches.

The brain doesn't generally waste resources on stuff that isn't important, it uses broad generalisations based on experience and applies them wholesale to perception, experience, and recall.
 
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Not everyone remembers the same thing or we wouldn't have ideas like the 'Mandela effect'.

The effect is the shared memory of the same exact scenes or phrases from movies,
spelling of names, etc.

The world map changed significantly. Have you not noticed?
 
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The effect is the shared memory of the same exact scenes or phrases from movies,
spelling of names, etc.

The world map changed significantly. Have you not noticed?
Not everyone has exactly the same faulty recollections of scenes or phrases, but most have the same or very similar recollections - because most people growing up in similar environments will make the same kinds of generalisations from their experiences.

I never paid much attention in geography, but I haven't noticed any geographic changes... Oooo! maybe I changed timelines without noticing! or maybe I changed timelines to one that is exactly the same! :rolleyes:
 
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the only flaw is your lack of faith
That's your whole argument. No evidence, no logic. A simple assertion which relies on others wanting to believe that reality is not how it is.

A simple counter-argument is "you lack objectivity". Are you convinced, now, that you're wrong?
 
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would you know if it had changed…?
That's exactly the point - this is the problem with the timeline hypothesis, it's a magical paranoic claim. Whenever you remember something incorrectly, it's not you that's wrong, but the whole universe...

Not only does it rely on subjective reports of a type of memory that has been empirically demonstrated to be prone to the same kind of glitches the timeline hypothesis purports to explain, but it is undemonstrable, untestable, makes no testable predictions, is not parsimonious by invoking a whole new ontology, contradicts our understanding of physics, and is inherently implausible by raising far more questions than it answers (e.g. how does it happen? what happens to the 'you' in the other timeline? why don't you feel it? where does the energy come from? etc., etc.) all unanswerable. This makes it no better an explanation than 'magic'.

It's fundamentally an implausible egotistical paranoid excuse for the demonstrable flaws in human memory, that claims the multiverse literally revolves around you to your disadvantage. Rather sad...
 
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everyone is
checking their memory


while you merely argue

Everyone is checking their memory. The intelligent people know that their memories can be mistaken, and so they decide to use an outside source to verify what their memories say.

When your memory and reality disagree, your memory is the one that is wrong. Because reality is always right.
 
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When your memory and reality disagree, your memory is the one that is wrong. Because reality is always right.

reality is right and memory is right


yet they differ…


this is known as the Mandela effect
 
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