Quantum computers and A.I.?

[timewerx]

The two are entirely different and not entirely reliant on the other.

A.I. is already being developed and is making good progressed. As far as quantum computers are concerned, I'm not too sure.

If you're interested in A.I., check out Deep Mind. Fascinating stuff, especially if you're in to cognitive psychology.

I thought I read somewhere that Deep Mind will be given the capability to design and write computer programs and even possible to modify/evolve its own code.

I think I see what I see what Google is trying to come up with it - to become completely self-reliant so they don't have to hire human programmers....At least I see such step may improve security of software. Imagine one machine doing all the programming, it would greatly improve confidentiality/security of the software dev't life cycle. Not to mention, it could completely avoid malicious codes that may be programmed by programmers with ill-intents - imagine a hacker getting employed in google, we don't want that!

 

[High Fidelity]

I thought I read somewhere that Deep Mind will be given the capability to design and write computer programs and even possible to modify/evolve its own code.

I think I see what I see what Google is trying to come up with it - to become completely self-reliant so they don't have to hire human programmers....At least I see such step may improve security of software. Imagine one machine doing all the programming, it would greatly improve confidentiality/security of the software dev't life cycle. Not to mention, it could completely avoid malicious codes that may be programmed by programmers with ill-intents - imagine a hacker getting employed in google, we don't want that!

Quite possibly.

The entire premise of A.I. with the emphasis on cognition is that it won't need to be programmed to undertake specific tasks; it'll be fed information, allowed to observe and learn as a human would(albeit it an an exponentially and astronomically faster rate) and then tackle the larger issues we face either mathematically, economically, medically etc and find answers. So it stands to reason it'll learn a great many skills along the way, programming being one of them

 

[Radrook]

I thought I read somewhere that Deep Mind will be given the capability to design and write computer programs and even possible to modify/evolve its own code.

I think I see what I see what Google is trying to come up with it - to become completely self-reliant so they don't have to hire human programmers....At least I see such step may improve security of software. Imagine one machine doing all the programming, it would greatly improve confidentiality/security of the software dev't life cycle. Not to mention, it could completely avoid malicious codes that may be programmed by programmers with ill-intents - imagine a hacker getting employed in google, we don't want that!

You mean the same hackers that might happily begin to hack after they get home from working at Google?

 

[timewerx]

You mean the same hackers that might happily begin to hack after they get home from working at Google?

I've worked in IT before. It is frighteningly true someone could just approach you, offer you some cash to do some insider work for them.

There's a lot of greedy people working in IT.

If you can have a computer or AI do the programming while a human would only need to design the high level functionality (like making a flowchart), software companies won't be needing programmers at all (that's a lot of people) and it would be a huge step in terms of developing software that is a lot more reliable which in turn makes it a lot more secure.

Obviously, there would a huge market waiting for Google if they actually succeed.

 

[timewerx]

Quite possibly.

The entire premise of A.I. with the emphasis on cognition is that it won't need to be programmed to undertake specific tasks; it'll be fed information, allowed to observe and learn as a human would(albeit it an an exponentially and astronomically faster rate) and then tackle the larger issues we face either mathematically, economically, medically etc and find answers. So it stands to reason it'll learn a great many skills along the way, programming being one of them

It would be the beginning of the end....Scientists refer to it as the "singularity" that is when AI starts reprogramming its own code and design its own, improved hardware. That is also around the time where everyone loses their jobs

We'll be forced to adopt a new economic system. It's either that or hold on to "hard" capitalism and ban AI. Many developed countries are now considering the "Universal Basic Income" and is meant to address this very issue without having to ban AI. What it means, many people will be able to receive income even if they do nothing... Obviously, there will be lots of people who will be out of jobs permanently due to automation revolution.

 

[Radrook]

I've worked in IT before. It is frighteningly true someone could just approach you, offer you some cash to do some insider work for them.

There's a lot of greedy people working in IT.

If you can have a computer or AI do the programming while a human would only need to design the high level functionality (like making a flowchart), software companies won't be needing programmers at all (that's a lot of people) and it would be a huge step in terms of developing software that is a lot more reliable which in turn makes it a lot more secure.

Obviously, there would a huge market waiting for Google if they actually succeed.

As the saying goes-everyone has a price. That applies to those who program the machines to program the machines as well. When materialistically inclined humans are in charge-nothing is 100% secure.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

How close are we to developing quantum computers and when we do, how close to developing A.I. into a quantum computer...?

Comments...?

God Bless!

Last time I checked (which was a few years ago), researches in the Netherlands managed to perform a simple calculation on a core of only a few atoms. The calculation was 13+5, if I remember correctly.

Not certain how AI ties into it though.

In any case, the theory is that the quantum computer, when "done", will completely change the technological landscape. And I do mean completely. Although I also read some articles that some of the things that current computers do, wouldn't be as easy or efficient on Quantum computers.

Where quantum computers most likely will shine will be "brute force calculations". Big chunks of data that can be processed simultanously. Things like statistical analysis, risk assessments etc.

On the flip side, cyber security might end up needing a complete overhaul.
For example, "break" the security of certain protocols or encryption through "brute force", in some cases one would require, on average, an entire server farm that engages in decades of doing calculations in order to "break" it. To quantum computers, that might end up being childsplay.

But it's been quite some time since I've read about this stuff, so I might misremember a few things.

Things is in any case, that they work completely differently as opposed to the regular silicon designs we all know and use toay.

 

[timewerx]

As the saying goes-everyone has a price. That applies to those who program the machines to program the machines as well. When materialistically inclined humans are in charge-nothing is 100% secure.

It is one of the reasons many business are turning to office automation to reduce the # of staff which also saves them money and makes everything run more efficiently.

The only problem you have left is the programmer doing the work, can you trust him or her? You can probably trust local programmers but what about foreign programmers?

An AI software development package (if such thing exists) would save you that trouble

 

[Radrook]

It is one of the reasons many business are turning to office automation to reduce the # of staff which also saves them money and makes everything run more efficiently.

The only problem you have left is the programmer doing the work, can you trust him or her? You can probably trust local programmers but what about foreign programmers?

An AI software development package (if such thing exists) would save you that trouble

True, as long as you can keep human interference to a minimum then safety increases.

 

[Nick665]

Quantum computers have been around since the early 2000s. Check out D-Wave Systems Inc, the first company to offer commercially available quantum computers.

Nope, there were not and still there arent any true quantum computers. They dont know if D-wave is a true quantum computer, they havent prooved it yet beyond doubt.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Nope, there were not and still there arent any true quantum computers. They dont know if D-wave is a true quantum computer, they havent prooved it yet beyond doubt.

Of course it is. And at the same time it isn't.

 

[Radrook]

No way you can refute a "Yes it is/no it aint" position. That's for sure! LOL!

 

[Neogaia777]

No way you can refute a "Yes it is/no it aint" position. That's for sure! LOL!

"He is a good man... no he isn't, but he deceives the crowd"

 

[Radrook]

"He is a good man... no he isn't, but he deceives the crowd"

Or: "He's not a bad person. The ones who are bad are the ones saying that he's a good person."

 

[Neogaia777]

Or: "He's not a bad person. The ones who are bad are the ones saying that he's a good person."

Too true...

Who was really "bad" though...?

The ones calling others bad who were saying that he was good...? Perhaps...?

God Bless!

 

[Radrook]

Too true...

Who was really "bad" though...?

The ones calling others bad who were saying that he was good...? Perhaps...?

God Bless!

The following scripture explains it best:


Isaiah 5:20King James Version (KJV)

20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

 

[Neogaia777]

The following scripture explains it best:


Isaiah 5:20King James Version (KJV)

20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Good verse...

But, are the ones with the most obvious sins, but maybe less of less subtle ones, bad, or are the ones with the most subtle sins, but maybe less of the more obvious ones, the bad ones...?

God Bless!

 

[Radrook]

Good verse...

But, are the ones with the most obvious sins, but maybe less of less subtle ones, bad, or are the ones with the most subtle sins, but maybe less of the more obvious ones, the bad ones...?

God Bless!

That type of evaluation only God can make since he is the only one who can deeply delve into the motives of the heart and to know all the intricate relevant factors which lead a person to behave in the manner he does.

Psalm 44:21 Shall not God search this out? for he knows the secrets of the heart.

Psalm 139:1,2 O lord, you have searched me, and known me…

For example, exactly how much is a person influenced by his genetics foisted on him via heredity. What one person finds easy to avoid might be a major issue to another. To some persons patience comes more naturally while other are prone to fly off the handle at the slightest perceived offense. Exactly how culpable is the individual; impelled by his tendencies? Is the person engaging in many subtle sins doing so because he really enjoys being unchristian or is he grieved after each if his failures? Is the person committing the big sins 100 in control of his faculties-or is he prone to bouts of temporary insanity due to perhaps a congenital brain anomaly? What factors in the person's upbringing have contributed to the formation of his character? All these factors must be weighed and we as humans can't because we lack the faculties necessary to do so. That is why judgment isn't left to us but is assigned to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who judges righteously.

2 Corinthians 5:10 (1901 ASV)
10For we must all be made manifest before the judgment-seat of Christ; that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

BTW
My apologies for not responding sooner. This question got past me somehow.