QFT ~ Adrian Rogers

[Nadiine]

You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that, my dear friend, is about the end of any nation.

You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."


~~ The late Dr. Adrian Rogers ~~

 

[Nadiine]

I posted this becuz on the news yesterday, I heard that
Obama was doing some executive order to place
pay caps on executives....

Here we go with power going to Govt. to decide the
business sectors & how business is run!

& do we EVER think for one moment that Govt. officials
would vote for or want pay caps on their own salaries???
Of course not. THEY VOTE THEMSELVES PAY RAISES ALL THE TIME.

I'm so sick & disgusted with politicians right now that I could choke.

 

[CruciFixed]

I watched that too last night and that definitely rubbed me the wrong way except I didn't have the words so I changed the channel to FOX because ABC was patting Obama on the back and acting like putting a salary cap on executives was going to "clear our doubts" I forgot what the anchorperson was saying at the time and I forgot who it even was but they said something along the lines of "Well if you had any doubts before... this should ease them (or some bull like that)" and then they went on to talk about Obama's Salary cap and then aired a clip of some jeweler who is excited about the cap I guess I don't know what it was about. ABC is so in love with President Obama. How is putting a pay cap on executives going to ease my doubts about him or his policies?

 

[MrJim]

..and the attitude of a lot of people is like "Yeah that'll show those fatcats who's in charge"... Enough "fatcats" decide to retire or just quit and we'll all be working for the gov't. Hey it's said we work 5 months just to pay taxes so it wouldn't be that much of a stretch to clock in at the gov't factory, and they just pay us our weekly allowance...errr paycheck.

 

[JustAsIam77]

I posted this becuz on the news yesterday, I heard that
Obama was doing some executive order to place
pay caps on executives....

Here we go with power going to Govt. to decide the
business sectors & how business is run!

& do we EVER think for one moment that Govt. officials
would vote for or want pay caps on their own salaries???
Of course not. THEY VOTE THEMSELVES PAY RAISES ALL THE TIME.

I'm so sick & disgusted with politicians right now that I could choke.

I couldn't agree with you more. I too am sick & disgusted with politicians. Fed up.

I don't know why the messiah doesn't just ask his fellow rats to pass the porkulus, oops, stimulus bill now. He has the votes to do it. I know why, he doesn't have the stones to take responsibilty for this crap sandwich without dragging in some republicans so that down the road both parties will be blamed for it's dismal failure to do anything except add to the national debt and cause a huge spike in inflation.

 

[CyberPaladin]

Guys I don't how to feel I mean on the one hand I don't like the government being this involved with companies but that cows already out of the barn given the large sums of money that have been doled out in this bailout.
Also Nadiine to be accurat congress doesn't vote every year give it's selfa raise they passed legistlation years to make it atuomatic unless they vote not too.

 

[Nadiine]

Guys I don't how to feel I mean on the one hand I don't like the government being this involved with companies but that cows already out of the barn given the large sums of money that have been doled out in this bailout.
Also Nadiine to be accurat congress doesn't vote every year give it's selfa raise they passed legistlation years to make it atuomatic unless they vote not too.

 

[Nadiine]

I couldn't agree with you more. I too am sick & disgusted with politicians. Fed up.

I don't know why the messiah doesn't just ask his fellow rats to pass the porkulus, oops, stimulus bill now. He has the votes to do it. I know why, he doesn't have the stones to take responsibilty for this crap sandwich without dragging in some republicans so that down the road both parties will be blamed for it's dismal failure to do anything except add to the national debt and cause a huge spike in inflation.

stones

On Fox this morning, it was reported that as he was reprimanding
the lavish meetings these execs were going to, Obama just came
back from a lavish meeting w/ his cabinet at some ritzy place
on our dime.

I'll wait to hear it again to quote it more accurately - but the point
was the hypocrisy of pointing fingers while he goes out & does
the same on our $$.

Does this crap ever end?
Then we find out more in Calif. - that tax returns aren't coming to
people, they're getting IOU's instead.
In the meantime, just recently, the Calif. State Controller just spent a
whopping 2 million dollars on office furniture -
well there's 2 million that could have gone for something worthwhile.

Until they stop stealing & blowing our money & become responsible,
I lost all respect for them & they make me sick.
Who can trust these thieves - LEGALLY stealing money as if it were theres?
I'm infuriated as I listen to what's going on right now with lavish
spending on themselves.

 

[JustAsIam77]

Does this crap ever end?

No. The clowns have left the circus and are all in Washington D.C.

It's already becoming apparent by rumblin, stumblin, bumblin Obama how much of an amateur he is. Looks like his resume' that includes "community organizer" and... I think thats pretty much it, hasn't given him the depth of experience needed to run a country. Heck, he was great at reading a teleprompter and giving speeches but the guy hasn't even run a lemonade stand before becoming POTUS.

Four more years. I think I'm starting to feel ill.:o

 

[Nadiine]

No. The clowns have left the circus and are all in Washington D.C.

It's already becoming apparent by rumblin, stumblin, bumblin Obama how much of an amateur he is. Looks like his resume' that includes "community organizer" and... I think thats pretty much it, hasn't given him the depth of experience needed to run a country. Heck, he was great at reading a teleprompter and giving speeches but the guy hasn't even run a lemonade stand before becoming POTUS.

Four more years. I think I'm starting to feel ill.:o

sharing a sick bag --

what bugs me is he ran on the premise of "CHANGE".

So far I see the same old continuation of PORK spending,
partisanship (his idea of nonpartisan is forcing them to agree
w/ his package "as is" w/ the pork) & choosing unqualified
people who don 't pay their taxes (3 now so far?), now
trying to run the business sector with big brother laws to
tie their hands.

Here we go.
praying

 

[JustAsIam77]

sharing a sick bag --

what bugs me is he ran on the premise of "CHANGE".

So far I see the same old continuation of PORK spending,
partisanship (his idea of nonpartisan is forcing them to agree
w/ his package "as is" w/ the pork) & choosing unqualified
people who don 't pay their taxes (3 now so far?), now
trying to run the business sector with big brother laws to
tie their hands.

Here we go.
praying

Yeah, same ole same ole.Crap. Change we can believe in...right.

 

[MrJim]

If things are really no different then I guess there's really no problem ~ business as usual

 

[CyberPaladin]

I don't know he has only been in office and we are already rapidly turning into a communist country I would call that change. It's not good kind of change but Obama never actualy promise that the change would be a positive one did he.

 

[MrJim]

I don't know he has only been in office and we are already rapidly turning into a communist country I would call that change. It's not good kind of change but Obama never actualy promise that the change would be a positive one did he.

No one has asked for my "papers" yet

 

[ReformedChapin]

I guess I'm the only one here that I think that it's a good move to cap executives salaries. Although I would like to see similar legislation with politicians salaries I think its a good idea to curve the constant abuses and the uneven distribution of wealth. While the people on top make millions your regular workers makes but near chunk change. Not to mention executives have become extremely irresponsible, they leave companies broken and run with millions while workers are left without a job.

BTW the US is not a purely capitalistic society were a mixed economy. I think some social aspects are a good thing in regards with protecting the people that doesn't mean we are communists but protect the people down below.

 

[-~Truth_N_Trust~-]

lol, it's not communist, it's socialist - apparently there's a HUGE difference ...

here's something our prime minister recently said:

"Neo-liberalism and the free-market fundamentalism it has produced has been revealed as little more than personal greed dressed up as an economic philosophy. And, ironically, it now falls to social democracy to prevent liberal capitalism from cannibalising itself."

"A system of open markets, unambiguously regulated by an activist state, and one in which the state intervenes to reduce the greater inequalities that competitive markets will inevitably generate,"

And what do you americans make of this? I'm not too 'with it' on American financial policy history...
"Not for the first time in history, the international challenge for social democrats is to save capitalism from itself: to recognise the great strengths of open, competitive markets while rejecting the extreme capitalism and unrestrained greed that have perverted so much of the global financial system in recent times. It fell to Franklin Delano Roosevelt to rebuild American capitalism after the Depression. It fell also to the American Democrats, strongly influenced by John Maynard Keynes, to rebuild postwar domestic demand, to engineer the Marshall Plan to rebuild Europe and to set in place the Bretton Woods system to govern international economic engagement. And so it now falls to President Obama's administration - and to those who will provide international support for his leadership - to support a global financial system that properly balances private incentive with public responsibility in response to the grave challenges presented by the current crisis. The common thread uniting all three of these episodes is a reliance on the agency of the state to reconstitute properly regulated markets and to rebuild domestic and global demand."

 

[CyberPaladin]

No one has asked for my "papers" yet

That will be coming soon "comrade".

 

[CyberPaladin]

ReformedChapin I'm not so much against putting a cap on salaries as the bailout itself. I actauly think they should place salary caps and othe restrictions on the companies that took bailout money since they don't seem to want change there behaiors. I would rather infringe on these companies then have them coming in 6 monyhs looking another trillion dollars.

 

[ReformedChapin]

ReformedChapin I'm not so much against putting a cap on salaries as the bailout itself. I actauly think they should place salary caps and othe restrictions on the companies that took bailout money since they don't seem to want change there behaiors. I would rather infringe on these companies then have them coming in 6 monyhs looking another trillion dollars.

Yeah, several restrictions should be put in place so that the money does go into the economy directly not to the salaries of executives. I cannot believe the responses I heard so far, "we need to pay our executives well so that we maintain the best, they are going to bail us out of this mess."

 

[CyberPaladin]

Reformed I just hope that these companies that took the bailout money get the message and don't try to squander our tax dollars on bonuses, spa retreats, new private jets etc. These companies haven't really left the government with any other options it seems like every week some company that recieved a bailout is wasting money on luxurous thing or another.