Pyramids and the flood

[River Jordan]

YECs are the first people to reject the Jewish Publication Society Bible translation of Genesis 1:1.

Sure, and I'm fine with that. I think that's one of the main differences between the fundamentalists and me. When I find out someone interprets Genesis differently than me, I'm okay with it. But fundamentalists seem to get really bent out of shape when they find out someone has a different interpretation, even to the point of implying that the other person must not really be a Christian.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So three guys built these.

And that includes quarrying and transporting all the stone.

I don't know if it's worth it to ask but, how in the world did 3 people do all that?

did I say three guys built this. Of course not. there would have been more than three guys who settled in this area after the scattering of babylon

is this going to go on like the other thread which I left because of the nonsense?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Sure, and I'm fine with that. I think that's one of the main differences between the fundamentalists and me. When I find out someone interprets Genesis differently than me, I'm okay with it. But fundamentalists seem to get really bent out of shape when they find out someone has a different interpretation, even to the point of implying that the other person must not really be a Christian.

what interpretation is different than in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth? since the sky is part of the heaven and everything we see in the sky is part of the heavens. I am not seeing any great difference

 

[River Jordan]

did I say three guys built this. Of course not. there would have been more than three guys who settled in this area after the scattering of babylon

You said the pyramids were built by Noah's sons. Noah had three sons.

Do you have an approximate date for when they were built?

is this going to go on like the other thread which I left because of the nonsense?

Please don't try and recreate history, especially when it's a matter of written record. You said you knew all about the geologic strata in the Grand Canyon and that they were all laid down during the flood. But as soon as I described what those layers were made of and asked you to explain how they were produced during a flood, you left.

The opportunity is still there for you to explain.

 

[River Jordan]

what interpretation is different than in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth?

I don't think that's really the parts that we're talking about.

since the sky is part of the heaven and everything we see in the sky is part of the heavens. I am not seeing any great difference

Genesis doesn't specify what "the heavens" refers to, which makes sense since it's not a scientific report.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You said the pyramids were built by Noah's sons. Noah had three sons.

so your saying his THREE sons were scattered at the tower of babel?

come on man.

The offspring or sons of noah.

Do you have an approximate date for when they were built?

I could care less really.. It would not change my mind.

Please don't try and recreate history, especially when it's a matter of written record. You said you knew all about the geologic strata in the Grand Canyon and that they were all laid down during the flood. But as soon as I described what those layers were made of and asked you to explain how they were produced during a flood, you left.

The opportunity is still there for you to explain.

You just want to fight my friend. this is obvious. I left right after you posted to me, I actually do have a life. and did nto log back on.; I thought about all the responses to me, and determined it was really not worth getting into.. Non of us were there. We all take a look at the evidence and determine what we see.

I saw your evidence, and I see mine, and although I used to believe as you do. I no longer do.

I am not getting into it with you..

I am not recreating history. I just believe history happened different than you do.

its obvious nothing I say will change your mind. so should I be arrogant, Should I be proud. should I attack you.

or do what is better for both of us and back away?

I chose to do second, If you want to fight, then your talking to the wrong person.

I find it interesting you mocked saying many would claim your unsaved or whatever if you disagree with them, yet here you are with all your pride hanging out for everyone to see.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I don't think that's really the parts that we're talking about.

Then do explain. I can only go off the link he gave,, That is what the link showed..

Genesis doesn't specify what "the heavens" refers to, which makes sense since it's not a scientific report.

I agree, its not.

it is a general statement, in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. No science, just a statement of fact.

The science does not really begin until verse three. but that is also where your belief and my belief take opposite turns into what we think happened.

 

[BeyondET]

All of them?

All of them would have to include the mega structures all around the earth.

Unlikely indeed imo.

 

[River Jordan]

so your saying his THREE sons were scattered at the tower of babel?

come on man.

The offspring or sons of noah.

I could care less really.. It would not change my mind.

Thanks for sharing your opinions.

You just want to fight my friend. this is obvious.

FYI, this sub-forum is within the "discussion and debate" section, so you shouldn't be surprised if some of your posts are challenged.

I left right after you posted to me, I actually do have a life. and did nto log back on.; I thought about all the responses to me, and determined it was really not worth getting into.. Non of us were there. We all take a look at the evidence and determine what we see.

I saw your evidence, and I see mine, and although I used to believe as you do. I no longer do.

I am not getting into it with you..

I am not recreating history. I just believe history happened different than you do.

its obvious nothing I say will change your mind. so should I be arrogant, Should I be proud. should I attack you.

or do what is better for both of us and back away?

I chose to do second, If you want to fight, then your talking to the wrong person.

I find it interesting you mocked saying many would claim your unsaved or whatever if you disagree with them, yet here you are with all your pride hanging out for everyone to see.

You made some pretty impressive claims about the Grand Canyon and what you knew about it. All I did was ask you to back up those claims.

 

[River Jordan]

Then do explain. I can only go off the link he gave,, That is what the link showed..

I suggest you ask the person who posted it.

I agree, its not.

it is a general statement, in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. No science, just a statement of fact.

I agree.

The science does not really begin until verse three. but that is also where your belief and my belief take opposite turns into what we think happened.

That's true. I don't believe the intent of Genesis is to serve as a scientific report.

 

[River Jordan]

All of them would have to include the mega structures all around the earth.

Unlikely indeed imo.

Exactly! I don't think some people realize how many of these structures there are around the world.

 

[BeyondET]

Exactly! I don't think some people realize how many of these structures there are around the world.

Roger that, even in the U.S. has ancient mega structures

 

[Job 33:6]

I am a YEC, I went to the link you sent, They all prety much say the same thjng. so what is it that I reject?

Lets share the translation:


1.When God began to create heaven and earth—

2.the earth being unformed and void, with darkness over the surface of the deep and a wind from God sweeping over the water—

3.God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.

Do you see the difference between this translation and others?

 

[Job 33:6]

I am a YEC, I went to the link you sent, They all prety much say the same thjng. so what is it that I reject?

The christian forums website defaults to the KJV translation. You'd have to lookup the jewish publication society translation, or the JPS.
https://www.sefaria.org/Genesis.1.1-3?lang=en&with=Translations&lang2=en - you can see it here.

 

[BeyondET]

The four faces of the great pyramid in Egypt is precisely aligned with the four cardinal points of the compass.

Long before the compass was invented.

 

[Doug Brents]

A good example is how Amos says God creates mountains and wind. Then we go out and see volcanoes creating new mountains, and temperature gradients and the earth's rotation creating winds.

Does that mean we have to deny what we see before our eyes and reject volcanism, temperature gradients, and a rotating earth? Of course not! Scripture tells us that God created mountains and wind and His creation tells us how.

Correct. Scripture does not tell us the HOW of what God (or His servants) does. Sometimes He does it through natural means, and sometimes He does it through supernatural means. One example is in Job, where Satan (an angel fallen from God) either sent his servant angels or he himself caused or became a fire storm, and a great wind. These are supernatural actions caused by one of God's created beings. This must also be taken into account.

But the point is not how He does things. The point is that the things that He tells us are certain, are in fact certain. One example is Jesus telling us that you reap what you sow. You do not plant corn and get wheat; you do not breed sheep and have goat offspring; and mankind did not spring from ape parents.

Again please stop! You're getting so much wrong it's embarrassing. Polyploid does create new species, "the number of ploids" isn't a thing, and polyploidy is literally a change in the number of chromosomes.

Again, there is too much to explain this fully in this forum. But in brief, some species are naturally monoploid (having only one set of matching chromosomes). Some, like humans are diploid (having pairs of matching chromosomes), but our egg and sperm are monoploid and when they fuse they become diploid again (which is the pattern of most sexually reproductive species). Some species naturally have more (triploid or quadraploid, etc.), but usually this is caused by chemicals or environmental pollution. Yet these multiples of matching chromosomes do not change the species of the animal or plant.

You just made that up. It's nowhere in scripture.

Genesis is Scripture.
2 Tim 3:16-17 - All Scripture is inspired by God, and since He is perfect and cannot make a mistake, ALL of His Word is perfect and cannot contain a mistake (in the original language, translation errors have occurred).
Psalm 33:4 - The Word of the Lord is right and true. And He can be trusted in all He does.

Yet Jews aren't young earth creationists, so obviously you're missing something. Have you ever talked with a Jewish person about this?

I have and, while the title "young earth creationist" never came up, they believe wholeheartedly that the Earth was created by God in 6 real, normal, natural, 24 hour days (ie: they are creationists), and they believe that this happened only 5785 years ago (ie: young earth).

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Thanks for sharing your opinions.


FYI, this sub-forum is within the "discussion and debate" section, so you shouldn't be surprised if some of your posts are challenged.

lol. I have no problem with anyone challenging any post I made.

so can you show me where I made an error in claiming that the descendants of Noah made the pyramids. or are you going to just sit there and mock me?

You made some pretty impressive claims about the Grand Canyon and what you knew about it. All I did was ask you to back up those claims.

This thread is about the pyramids.

It would take me hours to look up all the evidence I showed. (it took me a few years in studying different things to come up with those views) and then take alot of posting.

again, To try to share that with people I know would never agree.. seems like a waste of my time.

so do you want to discuss the pyramids. or keep attacking me?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I suggest you ask the person who posted it.

I did.

then I responded to your response to it..

I agree

That's true. I don't believe the intent of Genesis is to serve as a scientific report.

I don't either, I think it is God giving us a first hand account of what happened.

Science is just a tool mankind uses to try to figure out how the things happened.. But we also must remember, Creation is a miracle. So some things which God did may go contrary to science.

a good example is the stars. God said

14 Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; 15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so.

God said these lights would be for signs and seasons, for days and years, To be used by mankind

Science says it would take millions of years for a stars light to the earth So the earth must be this age

Miracles say God created these for a purpose. so He has the power and might to create them in a way their light appears on the earth the DAY he created them, since he created them for this purpose.

so is it science (millions of years) or is it a miracle (the same day)

non of us were there. so we can just state our opinion of what we believe.

I believe God has the power to make it a day. so why would he not> if he waited for millions of years. why? But it is still just a guess

if we can't trust genesis, I am certain that it would be hard for me to trust the rest of the book.

 

[Job 33:6]

what interpretation is different than in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth? since the sky is part of the heaven and everything we see in the sky is part of the heavens. I am not seeing any great difference

Are you familiar with Ancient near east tradition around the solid heavenly raqia?

 

[River Jordan]

Correct. Scripture does not tell us the HOW of what God (or His servants) does. Sometimes He does it through natural means, and sometimes He does it through supernatural means. One example is in Job, where Satan (an angel fallen from God) either sent his servant angels or he himself caused or became a fire storm, and a great wind. These are supernatural actions caused by one of God's created beings. This must also be taken into account.

But the point is not how He does things. The point is that the things that He tells us are certain, are in fact certain. One example is Jesus telling us that you reap what you sow.

I agree.

You do not plant corn and get wheat; you do not breed sheep and have goat offspring

That's good because no one says those things happen.

and mankind did not spring from ape parents.

Scripture doesn't say that.

Yet these multiples of matching chromosomes do not change the species of the animal or plant.

Yes it does. Read through some of these links: Google Scholar

Genesis is Scripture.
2 Tim 3:16-17 - All Scripture is inspired by God, and since He is perfect and cannot make a mistake, ALL of His Word is perfect and cannot contain a mistake (in the original language, translation errors have occurred).
Psalm 33:4 - The Word of the Lord is right and true. And He can be trusted in all He does.

Yes, and you and I disagree on the intent of Genesis and how to interpret it, but neither of us is saying it's not inspired by God or is mistaken.

I have and, while the title "young earth creationist" never came up, they believe wholeheartedly that the Earth was created by God in 6 real, normal, natural, 24 hour days (ie: they are creationists), and they believe that this happened only 5785 years ago (ie: young earth).

No they don't. Why do you think there aren't any Jewish young earth creationist organizations?

Have you ever heard of as Maimonides or Gersonides? They were Rabbis from medieval times who taught a non-literal interpretation of Genesis (long before Darwin).

Abraham ibn Ezra taught in the 11th century that Genesis isn't literal and that the tree of life was figurative.

We can go on but the point is made. Even long before Darwin Jewish leaders were not teaching a literal interpretation of Genesis and they weren't young earth creationists.