Pyramids and the flood

[Job 33:6]

Some philosophical views propose that Satan is the master. Just because someone has a view does not make it correct.

The question is, which one is fluid, and which one is solid and foundational.
You seem to think that "Science" is foundational, and we should interpret the Scripture based on what we "discover" through science.
I believe it is exactly opposite: Scripture is foundational, and we should interpret what we "discover" through science by what we read in the Bible.

He does not seem to be your guide and teacher, based upon what you have posted here.

You said that "These GLOFs might have inspired ancient flood myths, including the story of Noah's Flood." There is no reading comprehension error here. You are saying that the story of Noah's Flood is a myth, and that it was only a local event, not a world wide destruction of every life but eight (those in the Ark).

Oh my! The error in that sentence is so deep, I don't even know where to start. Good by 72. You have wasted enough of my time.

The story of Noah's flood is a myth, by definition. From Oxford dictionary.
1. a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events.

Myths can be true. But it is indeed a myth, nonetheless.

 

[Diamond72]

Also I reckon the pyramids were built before the great flood by the Nephilim ( Giants )

Are you talking about the pyramids in Egypt or the pyramids in Mexico? They were built at about the same time. Everyone in the Middle East share a common ancestor. YEC says Abraham is the common ancestor. Science tends to verify that the Hebrews and the Muslims come from the same common ancestor. Only we know the Muslims were with Hagar a significant figure in the Bible. She was an Egyptian maidservant to Sarah, Abraham's wife. When Sarah was unable to conceive, she gave Hagar to Abraham as a concubine to bear a child on her behalf. This was a common practice in ancient times to ensure a heir.

 

[Doug Brents]

The story of Noah's flood is a myth, by definition. From Oxford dictionary.
1. a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events.

Myths can be true. But it is indeed a myth, nonetheless.

There is a massive difference between a myth and Scripture. A myth uses the story to explain what is seen in nature or society. Scripture uses nature and society to explain God.

 

[Apple Sky]

Are you talking about the pyramids in Egypt or the pyramids in Mexico? They were built at about the same time. Everyone in the Middle East share a common ancestor. YEC says Abraham is the common ancestor.

Egypt - There were still Nephilim in Abraham's day up until David killed the last one.

 

[David Lamb]

YEC says Abraham is the common ancestor.

I have never heard that, unless someone is talking about the spiritual ancestry of believers in Jesus Christ. Young Earth Creationists would say that Noah was the common ancestor.

 

[Diamond72]

I have never heard that, unless someone is talking about the spiritual ancestry of believers in Jesus Christ. Young Earth Creationists would say that Noah was the common ancestor.

It's difficult to provide an exact number of people in the Middle East who are descended from Abraham, as this involves tracing complex genealogical and historical records over thousands of years. However, Abraham is considered the patriarch of several major Middle Eastern and North African populations, including Jews, Christians, and Muslims. These groups collectively number in the hundreds of millions.

God's promise to Abraham includes references to his descendants being as numerous as the stars in the sky and the grains of sand on the seashore. These metaphors are used to emphasize the vast number of Abraham's descendants. Here are the key passages:

Stars in the Sky:​

• Genesis 15:5: "He took him outside and said, 'Look up at the sky and count the stars—if indeed you can count them.' Then he said to him, 'So shall your offspring be.'"

Grains of Sand:​

• Genesis 22:17: "I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies."

Next in line to Abraham Genetic studies have indicated that around 16 million men alive today are likely direct descendants of Genghis Khan or his male relatives. That would include my son who through his mother can be traced back to northern China but he calls himself a Pacific Islander. Although no one has ever guessed that.

Next in line would be the Empirer in China with 3.8 million descendants.

Genealogy of Noah's Sons:​

• Shem: His descendants are traditionally associated with the Semitic peoples, including the Hebrews, Arabs, and Assyrians.
• Ham: His descendants are thought to include various African and Middle Eastern peoples.
• Japheth: His descendants are linked to the Indo-European and other northern peoples.

 

[Aaron112]

Who is called in God's Word the father of faith ?

I have never heard that, unless someone is talking about the spiritual ancestry of believers in Jesus Christ.

Abraham​

Hebrew patriarch according to the Hebrew Bible​

According to the Bible, Abraham is referred to as the “father of faith” in Romans 4:11-12 and Galatians 3:7-9. In these passages, Paul writes that Abraham is the father of all who believe, regardless of whether they are circumcised or uncircumcised, because he trusted God’s promise and was counted righteous by faith.

 

[Diamond72]

You seem to think that "Science" is foundational, and we should interpret the Scripture based on what we "discover" through science.

People can decide if they want to educate themselves or not. We can use the scientific method to study the Bible. WE can also use the rules of Bible interpretation that we learn in Bible College. They will not conflict with each other. There is a great deal of harmony between the Bible and Science because God uses both. Many people find that faith and reason can coexist, with religious beliefs offering meaning and purpose, while science provides a deeper understanding of how the natural world operates. This integrated approach can enrich both spiritual and intellectual lives.

 

[David Lamb]

It's difficult to provide an exact number of people in the Middle East who are descended from Abraham, as this involves tracing complex genealogical and historical records over thousands of years. However, Abraham is considered the patriarch of several major Middle Eastern and North African populations, including Jews, Christians, and Muslims. These groups collectively number in the hundreds of millions.

God's promise to Abraham includes references to his descendants being as numerous as the stars in the sky and the grains of sand on the seashore. These metaphors are used to emphasize the vast number of Abraham's descendants. Here are the key passages:

Stars in the Sky:​

• Genesis 15:5: "He took him outside and said, 'Look up at the sky and count the stars—if indeed you can count them.' Then he said to him, 'So shall your offspring be.'"

Grains of Sand:​

• Genesis 22:17: "I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies."

Next in line to Abraham Genetic studies have indicated that around 16 million men alive today are likely direct descendants of Genghis Khan or his male relatives. That would include my son who through his mother can be traced back to northern China but he calls himself a Pacific Islander. Although no one has ever guessed that.

Next in line would be the Empirer in China with 3.8 million descendants.

Genealogy of Noah's Sons:​

• Shem: His descendants are traditionally associated with the Semitic peoples, including the Hebrews, Arabs, and Assyrians.
• Ham: His descendants are thought to include various African and Middle Eastern peoples.
• Japheth: His descendants are linked to the Indo-European and other northern peoples.

But you haven't mentioned what my post (to which you were replying) was about. I had said that young earth Creationists would usually say that Noah was the common ancestor of everybody in the world today. You did mention the genealogy of Noah's sons. Abraham would have been a descendent of Shem.

 

[Diamond72]

I had said that young earth Creationists would usually say that Noah was the common ancestor of everybody in the world today.

I can say this as many times as you want. I was YEC at one time. Now I am what we call theistic evolution.

Many people find that the Bible and science can complement each other beautifully, offering different yet harmonious perspectives on the world and our existence. Here are a few ways they align:

Creation and the Universe:​

• Biblical Perspective: The Bible describes God's creation of the universe, emphasizing its purpose and meaning.
• Scientific Perspective: Science explores the mechanisms of the universe's formation, such as the Big Bang theory and the laws of physics.

Life and Evolution:​

• Biblical Perspective: The Bible speaks of God's creation of life, including the special creation of humans.
• Scientific Perspective: Evolutionary biology provides insights into the development of life on Earth over millions of years.

Ethical and Moral Guidance:​

• Biblical Perspective: The Bible offers moral and ethical teachings that guide human behavior.
• Scientific Perspective: Science can inform ethical decisions by providing data and understanding of the natural world, but moral values often come from philosophical or religious traditions.

Historical Events:​

• Biblical Perspective: The Bible recounts historical events that hold spiritual significance.
• Scientific Perspective: Archaeology and historical research can provide evidence and context for understanding these events.

This integrated approach can enrich both spiritual and intellectual lives, showing that faith and reason can coexist harmoniously.

 

[David Lamb]

I can say this as many times as you want. I was YEC at one time. Now I am what we call theistic evolution.

Many people find that the Bible and science can complement each other beautifully, offering different yet harmonious perspectives on the world and our existence. Here are a few ways they align:

Creation and the Universe:​

• Biblical Perspective: The Bible describes God's creation of the universe, emphasizing its purpose and meaning.
• Scientific Perspective: Science explores the mechanisms of the universe's formation, such as the Big Bang theory and the laws of physics.

Life and Evolution:​

• Biblical Perspective: The Bible speaks of God's creation of life, including the special creation of humans.
• Scientific Perspective: Evolutionary biology provides insights into the development of life on Earth over millions of years.

Ethical and Moral Guidance:​

• Biblical Perspective: The Bible offers moral and ethical teachings that guide human behavior.
• Scientific Perspective: Science can inform ethical decisions by providing data and understanding of the natural world, but moral values often come from philosophical or religious traditions.

Historical Events:​

• Biblical Perspective: The Bible recounts historical events that hold spiritual significance.
• Scientific Perspective: Archaeology and historical research can provide evidence and context for understanding these events.

This integrated approach can enrich both spiritual and intellectual lives, showing that faith and reason can coexist harmoniously.

Probably it's my fault, but we see to be misunderstanding one another. The only point you made that I have been querying was when you wrote that young earth creationist hold to Abraham being our common ancestor. I said that I have never heard of this. Abraham is the physical ancestor of the Hebrews, but not of Europeans, Chinese people, etc. However, your post to which I'm replying now doesn't mention the matter of a common ancestor. Do you really think that YECs believe that Abraham is the common ancestor of all human beings?

 

[Diamond72]

you wrote that young earth creationist hold to Abraham being our common ancestor. I said that I have never heard of this.

Did I say YEC? There must be a misunderstanding. I am talking about what science tells us. Also, I quoted scriptures about what the Bible tells us. If you want to know what YEC believes maybe you should talk to them.

 

[David Lamb]

Did I say YEC? There must be a misunderstanding. I am talking about what science tells us. Also, I quoted scriptures about what the Bible tells us. If you want to know what YEC believes maybe you should talk to them.

Yes, you wrote: "YEC says Abraham is the common ancestor. " Are you now saying that science tells us Abraham is our common ancestor?

As for me talking to YEC to know what they believe, I myself believe in a comparatively young earth. I am a young earth creationist.

 

[Aaron112]

It is better, and necessary for life, to follow Jesus.

I can say this as many times as you want. I was YEC at one time. Now I am what we call theistic evolution.

Many people find that the Bible and science can complement each other beautifully, offering different yet harmonious perspectives on the world and our existence. Here are a few ways they align:

 

[Diamond72]

It is better, and necessary for life, to follow Jesus.

I guess you did not hear what I said. You have to follow the laws of Moses and the Laws of Science. Jesus lived His life as an example for us.

Matthew 5:18 (NIV): "For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

1 Peter 2:21 (NIV)​

> "To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.

Ephesians 5:1-2 (NIV)​

> "Follow God’s example, therefore, as dearly loved children and walk in the way of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God."

Philippians 2:5-8 (NIV)​

> "In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus.

 

[Aaron112]

Deceptive. Leading to death , destructive; destroying souls; keeping multitudes from seeking Jesus, and from following Jesus.

the Laws of Science.

 

[Aaron112]

(the flesh (including science) profits nothing)

 

[Semper-Fi]

The story of Noah's flood is a myth, by definition. From Oxford dictionary.

I will take the second definition in the Oxford dictionary for the word myth.

2 something that many people believe but that does not exist or is false
synonym fallacy

The story of Noah's flood is not a myth.

 

[BeyondET]

It is better, and necessary for life, to follow Jesus.

And give up the computer science?

Or can someone use computer science and follow Jesus at the same time?

 

[David Lamb]

Then talk to yourself. I was YEC at one time. I remember looking at the dinosaur in Washington thinking something was not right because bones were missing and I was not sure they were put together in the right order.

Still to say God created dinosaurs and destroyed them on the same 24-hour day is absurd. Everyone has to come to their own conclusion when they are ready. I may be the best friend YEC has because I believe Adam was a real person and Noah was a real person with a real flood that has scientific evidence to support what we read in our Bible.

So often people want to pick and choose between the Bible and Science when they are both true and there is no contradiction at all. Theistic evolution is the belief that God works through the process of evolution to create life in its diversity and complexity. This perspective reconciles religious faith with scientific understanding of biological evolution.

Sorry, but you still are not addressing the point I made, but have gone on to a general discussion of young earth Creationism. As I have said repeatedly, I disagreed with your earlier assertion that young earth creationists believe Abraham to be the common ancestor of all mankind. You then said that you had meant "science", not young earth creationism. As I have never heard of a scientist saying they believe Abraham to be the common ancestor of all mankind, I asked you if you really meant that science teaches such a common ancestry, but as I say, rather than answering, you have gone on to a more general discussion.