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God created man to have authority over woman and to be the leader.
If you don't want to pursue a woman, Mac, you don't have to. No need to justify a personal preference.
Prove it.
Just to hopefully nip the obvious line of discussion in the bud: when God said man would reign over woman at Eden He was pronouncing an effect of the curse of sin. It, as with the rest of the curse, was never according to His design; and Christ has redeemed us from that curse and all the aspects thereof. The spiritual peril of trying to live according to the curse when Christ died to free us from it cannot be overstated.
I'm not going to get into a discussion about it here. That was my not my intent, and I don't want to derail the thread.
Though maybe I already did heh.
Don't take the bait. Mac just likes to argue and lead people down rabbit trails to derail their points.
Good lord... It's kind of annoying when you act like a crime is being committed against humanity and it's up to you to stop it.I don't like to argue, but I like it even less when people try to impose absurd post-medieval values on other people and use scripture to do it. And it's hardly beside the point to ask why they do it. Christ freed us from the curse that set man above woman. What right has anyone to bring the curse back? And how dare they use scripture to do so?
1 Timothy 2:12-15 12 But I do not allow
it is referring to an authority that Adam was granted over Eve
1 Corinthians 14:34-35 34 The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says.
Ephesians 5:22-23 Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body.
if Christ freed us from the curse that set man above woman (which is not a curse at all as the same principle is applied to male headship in the home and church body)
why wasn't the curse that makes childbirth so laborsome and painful also done away with?
It's kind of annoying when you act like a crime is being committed against humanity and it's up to you to stop it.
Should have listened to Amberly, my apologies to everyone else in this thread for derailing it.
Your refusal to defend your position suits your position well.
Fine. But if people want the conversation about it to stop, then I will.
1 Timothy 2:12-15 12 But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 13 For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. 14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. 15 But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint.
I dont think this verse is saying woman can't say anything, but it is referring to an authority that Adam was granted over Eve, and that men are given over women.
1 Corinthians 14:34-35 34 The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. 35 If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church.
My purpose here, is not to bash women. Far from it. Nor to say what they can and cannot do. My only purpose in showing these verses is to show that there is some authority man is given over women. Why would women be told to go and ask their husbands at home if the husband was not the authority in such things?
Ephesians 5:22-23 Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body.
As the above verse says, it's a picture of Christ as the head of the church. Doesn't mean we're "better" than women or anything.
Hmm yeeeah, I take real issue with the whole "women should keep silent in church" thing. I honestly believe that was a statement that was culturally relevant at the time Paul was writing, rather than something that all Christians need to apply to their faith today. I understand that God has created men and women differently for a reason, and both have their own roles to play, but I'm not of the belief that women are to be completely submissive and subservient to their husbands - to put it simply, a marriage should be a partnership with both husbands and wives giving and taking in the relationship.
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