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gord44

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Yeah he's cool in my books.

I think for the first time I get what Calvinist folk are always saying about Arminians about free will. I always shrugged it off before, but quite a few folks cling to the fact that 'they' chose God. It's like a badge of honor or something. It kinda clicked recently in a few convo's i had.
 
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GQ Chris

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A fella I know thru work brought me a Glencairn whisky glass, a bottle of Crown Royal, Jamison's and Jack Daniels. I love my job!

Trade someone that Catholic bottle of Jameson's for a Protestant one of Bushmill's:p
 
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Sipping Tuborg from Copenhague Denmark. It's a weak kneed beer, but who would expect more from a socialist, EU member country? I DO NOT recommend it.


Yeah, 4.6 percent abv? May as well be water. lol
 
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Since we are in ye pub and speaking about politics what say ye about the type of politics The Lord was fond of during his earthly incarnation? Socialism or even communism is what I find. Of course humans can't seem to get it right. I would say capitalism would be the furthest thing from what The Lord preached. Thoughts?

Is there a better description of communism then acts 2:44-45?

44 All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need.

Or how about acts 4:32-35?

32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.
 
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Since we are in ye pub and speaking about politics what say ye about the type of politics The Lord was fond of during his earthly incarnation? Socialism or even communism is what I find. Of course humans can't seem to get it right. I would say capitalism would be the furthest thing from what The Lord preached. Thoughts?

Is there a better description of communism then acts 2:44-45?

44 All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need.

Or how about acts 4:32-35?

32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.
The first colonists in America tried that. It didn't work out. The problem was that there were too many unbelievers among them. Those who were lazy didn't work but got to eat anyway. They were a burden on those who did work. It didn't last long.
 
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A fella I know thru work brought me a Glencairn whisky glass, a bottle of Crown Royal, Jamison's and Jack Daniels. I love my job!

Man you sure have got some people fooled into thinking you are a nice guy don't you? But I ain't fooled.
 
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The first colonists in America tried that. It didn't work out. The problem was that there were too many unbelievers among them. Those who were lazy didn't work but got to eat anyway. They were a burden on those who did work. It didn't last long.

Yes. Humans screw it up like they do most things. ;)
 
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Jesus was a socialist.....wasn't he?

No He was a Monarchist. He is the King you know. :p
ABSOLUTELY TRUE. Jesus Christ is King, Our King! He is King over all the World, the Universe, the other powers and authorities, etc. I have dealt with people too many times about this misconception. Not saying that anyone here is in that number, but am using the opportunity as it presents itself.

I see that even those who know nothing of the Bible are SURE they know that Jesus and His Church promoted SOCIALISM, and essentially its purest form, COMMUNISM. It was CHARITY that was promoted, and Christian Unity.

As has been said, the new world was settled by many who sought opportunity, or those with other motives. This is true. but the people who financed the trips, and the settlement efforts (sent supply ships, etc.,) had their agenda, and defined the method of governing and commerce as being COMMUNIST. Not that these people would work to help each other so much as to help send profit back to the financiers. It was the Christians at Plymouth that turned that around eventually!

It is clear that a king can mandate that his people act in a charitable manner. EVEN WORLDLY GOVERNMENTS have similar rules. If you are driving in Alaska (maybe other similar localities,) the law MANDATES you aid ANY stranded motorist. That is usually a life or death situation, and there would be so few who pass by, it is a necessity to require that.

In the First Century Church, there was a famine, and it was CHARITY that was offered, not a requirement by law or rules. Peter told Ananias (before Sapphira his wife came in,) that the land was his, and the money was his until he gave it. Why did he lie about it to God?
Acts 5
4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

These people were NOT REQUIRED to donate their land, but people who wished to show a proper unity with God's Church did do that, and the money was used to buy food to feed Christians during a famine. The administration of that became a problem later, and that is when a matter of equality was raised as an issue. That is when the Apostles said to choose 7 men that were to be trusted to handle that, and the Apostles could return to the word of God.

AGAIN, I am not assuming any of you guys are not aware of these things, but there are a lot of people who completely misunderstand what is said in Acts 5. This may help explain it to those.

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