Psychology Your Thoughts

[MehGuy]

Yeah.. blaming things on demonic possession is a bad road to go, lol.

Sadly when I asked for mental help as a teenager I was forced to see Christian therapists. Total waste of time.

 

[SnowyMacie]

Normally yes with a physical illness, but a lot of people died because they were told to go to a psychiater and got Antidepressants which made them kill themselves. That is the devil if you want to kill yourself.
I was really angry that people in church and my ex who was a pastor kinda forced me to go there and take drugs.
I'd never tell someone to stop meds or stop going to a psychiater. A woman in our church was healed from bipolar through prayer but she kept going there and took meds until he told her it wasn't necessary anymore. Also I have to shut up about meds etc. in our church, but I did tell her my testimony that God healed me.
Once though there was a guy on cf who took drugs he got from a psychiater and he wasn't schizophrenic, just depressed or something, same as me. He got visions of killing himself with a Razorblade all of a sudden immediately after taking it. I didn't care about the policy here, go on and ban me and told him I had exactly the same and to throw it away and listen to Derek Prince and T.B. Joshua instead who prayed for viewers which I posted. They removed my post but he pm'd me to say it was gone immediately.

Suicidal thoughts are a well known side effect of antidepressants, especially in the early stages of treatment likely due to the action inhibition going to remission before the mood dysphoria does, so they find themselves in the situation of going from too severe to actually act on killing themselves to still being depressed enough to want to kill themselves but newly free of the barriers that prevented them from doing so before.

 

[Cearbhall]

What do you think of psychology? More specifically, therapy and counseling?

The wrong people seem to be dedicated to their mental health. You've got people who probably need it the most but think they're above it or are in denial. Then you've got people who have no particular need for it but have more money than they know what to do with, so they get a therapist for everyone in the family the same way you'd do with a dentist.

 

[SnowyMacie]

The wrong people seem to be dedicated to their mental health. You've got people who probably need it the most but think they're above it or are in denial. Then you've got people who have no particular need for it but have more money than they know what to do with, so they get a therapist for everyone in the family the same way you'd do with a dentist.

If you have the money, there's really noting wrong with going to a therapist maybe once a month or so, but I might be slightly biased in my opinion about the necessity of psychologists for every day people.

 

[Messy]

Suicidal thoughts are a well known side effect of antidepressants, especially in the early stages of treatment likely due to the action inhibition going to remission before the mood dysphoria does, so they find themselves in the situation of going from too severe to actually act on killing themselves to still being depressed enough to want to kill themselves but newly free of the barriers that prevented them from doing so before.

Yes the barrier goes away. I had those thoughts but never ever would have tried it.
I think it's far more dangerous than they admit. To me if a pill takes away the barrier there already was a demon and now he got a friend so they can work together. That Jung heard things from spirits. I don't trust that stuff at all.
The roots of psychiatry, ehm, no thanks:
http://www.philipcoppens.com/jung.html

 

[blackribbon]

The suicidal thoughts are part of depression...but when you are highly depressed you don't have the energy to actually do anything ... including planning or carrying out a suicidal plan. However, antidepressants work slowly and as they build up in the body and increase the person's energy, they also increase the energy necessary to actually carry out a suicidal plan...THAT is a known process in helping someone heal from depression. It is also why it is dangerous for a general practitioner to prescribe anti-depressants because he isn't trained to watch out for these very real "side effects" of these medicines.

And I have yet to meet a schizophrenic who will admit to being schizophrenic to anyone except those with a high level of trust. I know when I talk to people about their diagnoses and symptoms...I tend to talk about "some people experience this ... or that" and the very same person who just denied all the symptoms will have a discussion with me about those very same symptoms when they realize I am not going to treat them like they are crazy and will provide valuable information that they need to know but seldom feel safe enough to discuss with anyone. I did have a gentleman tell me that certain emotions expressed themselves in particular colors....fascinating. We are not doing anyone a service by making them hide their symptoms and not getting treatment in the early stages of an exacerbation.

 

[SnowyMacie]

Yes the barrier goes away. I had those thoughts but never ever would have tried it.
I think it's far more dangerous than they admit. To me if a pill takes away the barrier there already was a demon and now he got a friend so they can work together. That Jung heard things from spirits. I don't trust that stuff at all.
The roots of psychiatry, ehm, no thanks:
http://www.philipcoppens.com/jung.html

The roots of psychology and psychiatry go way back before Freud and Jung, regardless most of their theories have been dismissed, the ones that haven't occur on a regular basis to everyone every single day, i.e. projection, repression, denial, and reaction formation. That article is at least wrong about when and why Freud and Jung split. Their split occurred over a long period of time and was due to the nature of the unconscious, not psychotherapy.

 

[Goodbook]

Ive had doctors implant thoughts. Into me and keep asking me do I want to harm myself and commit suicide. Just randomly.

They should never do that. If that person says yes, they absolve themselves of reaponsibility. Thats why they always ask...even when the patient was not even thinking of it. Criminal.

 

[blackribbon]

Ive had doctors implant thoughts. Into me and keep asking me do I want to harm myself and commit suicide. Just randomly.

They should never do that. If that person says yes, they absolve themselves of reaponsibility. Thats why they always ask...even when the patient was not even thinking of it. Criminal.

Nobody implants thoughts into you. I can have people tell me that I really do like mustard five million times and I will never start to wonder if I really maybe do like mustard. I don't like mustard. Plain and simple. They also don't ask to "absolve" themselves but because if you say "yes", their responsible as a medical professional actually does increase, not go away. If someone has no intentions or suicidal thoughts, no amount of talking about it is going to make a person start to think about it.

 

[SnowyMacie]

Ive had doctors implant thoughts. Into me and keep asking me do I want to harm myself and commit suicide. Just randomly.

They should never do that. If that person says yes, they absolve themselves of reaponsibility. Thats why they always ask...even when the patient was not even thinking of it. Criminal.

No, that's the exact the opposite. If the therapists knows the person is dangerous to themselves or another members, they legally have to notify family and/or the authorities. Suicide is taken very seriously by therapists, that is why they will always bring it up and it's going to be on every single intake form.

 

[rockytopva]

If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2)

And there are three varieties...

Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma
Mental E/c2 - Our brains output is a result of E/c2
Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)
---c2 - Kind a like red, blue, green, and yellow, only in spiritual terms.

If E = mc2 then one can divide and say that m = E/c2. Therefore all of creation came into existence with the Fathers great Energy and Light... In which there are three varieties...

Natural E/c2... The sun is E/c2 in the form of plasma... The Earth is cooled E/c2.
Mental E/c2... Our ability to think comes from E/c2
Spiritual E/c2... Energy (Motivation, Love) / c2 (Faith, Hope, Charity, Joy)

Lets take the opposite of all that...

The opposite of m = E/c2 is n = z/d

Nothing (n) - That which outer space is made of between the celestial objects.
Absolute Zero (z) - The coldest it can get!
Darkness (d) - That which is devoid of light.

Natural z/d - Nothing! Space! Null and Void!
Mental z/d - Nothing!
Spiritual... z (Laziness, Apathy, Hate) / d (Fear, Despair, Greed, Sorrow).

It is my conviction that there are three spiritual extremes…

Spiritual light – Love, warmth, faith, hope, charity joy, goodness, peace…
Spiritual darkness – Hate, cold, fear, depression, sorrow, greed, evil, war…
The Flesh – Ego, perverted sex, filth, witchcraft, anger, strife, divisions, mysticism… Where does that fit? It is neither light or darkness!

I have heard that the flesh and the devil are so akin that it is hard to discern between the two of them. There is a path I believe to perfect spiritual light, or Caritas (Latin for pure love)... Things that cannot be taught for virtue is not knowledge!

1. Hope - All things begin with a hope
2. Faith - Motivation is a child of faith and hope
3. Charis - Grace - A powerful neighbor of caritas
4. Dynamos - Greek for virtue and motivation
5. Eucharisteo - Much grace... Gratitude
6. Charisomai - Well favored - A lucky kind of feeling
7. Euchrestos - Greek for profitable
8. Chairo - Greek for cheer - "Cheerio mate!"
9. Chara - Greek for joy
10. Chrestotes - An 'Aunt Bee' kind of Goodness
11. Charisma - Heavenly Graciousness
12. Chrisma - Heavenly Anointing - The Holy Grail!

 

[SarahsKnight]

Exactly, in my case, calling it "demonic influence" actually made me worse.

Exactly. In the end, when I suffered from mentally and emotionally-related problems a few years ago, it only made things worse for me to think that I may have actually been demon possessed or even just oppressed by them, as my biggest fear at the time was hell and demons being all around me only suggested that my fears were in fact going to become true of me. .... So glad to be out of that mess.

Not that I'm saying spirituality should always be dismissed in favor of any kind of psychology. Psychology is still a far from perfect field of science. And psychotropic drugs can in fact make the patient worse, to the point of suicide. Still, at the same time, I do believe they can be a God-send. I myself began to get better from OCD upon taking medication and shaking off the rather paranoid warnings - however well-intentioned they might have been - that they were against God. God did create those very people who grow up to be doctors and scientists after all.

 

[rockytopva]

Natural E/c2... The sun is E/c2 in the form of plasma... The Earth is cooled E/c2.
Mental E/c2... Our ability to think comes from E/c2
Spiritual E/c2... Energy (Motivation, Love) / c2 (Faith, Hope, Charity, Joy)

The mental E/c2 is in different form from the natural and the spiritual. Therefore Psychology (mental) and medicine (natural) can only reach so far to help people.

Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord of hosts. - Zechariah 4:6

 

[Gnarwhal]

I'm sorry, what correlation are you trying to draw between Special Relativity and Counseling?

 

[quietpraiyze]

That's a false dichotomy...ughhh. It's not either faith or medicine in this case Psychology. For me and many other Believers it's both. We utilize Psychology for what we need but our dependency is on God through His Son Jesus Christ and there's nothing wrong with that. It's no different than a diabetic being cared for by a MD in Internal Medicine.

 

[rockytopva]

Yes...

E/c2 is plasma
M is mass

Relative one to another. So it is spiritually

E/c2 Full of warmth and spiritual light
Mass a cold, callous, unbelieving, depressed heart

The heart of creation can be corrupted as it comes in contact with earthly things and needs purification before it can shine out (E/c2) in its native clarity.

 

[blackribbon]

psychology isn't medical anyway...it is behavior and development... (psychiatry is medical)

 

[quietpraiyze]

Depending on the need and what's available, I've seen Psychiatrist (medical) work hand in hand with Psychologist and Mental Health Workers (MHP's) who are not. As well as with any other doctor you may have. It's a team effort. So no Psychologist aren't medical but they can be a part of your healthcare/mental health team that is. I've seen a lot of different "models" but I don't want to get into that...

 

[Archaeopteryx]

an unbeliever cannot see or discern the spiritual behind it all and has no concept of the demonic or any idea of what a person is up against. They will put it down to chemicals in the brain, biology, environment. They cannot pinpoint what is really wrong. Once a person has faith..everything else can and does help, but that is the core, the gift of salvation. A person is lost without this. No matter what you try to do to fix all the other things wrong. if a person does not love Jesus all the psychologising can do more damage.

I'm sorry, but this is unhelpful and potentially very bad advice. Given all that we now know about the natural aetiology of mental illness, and considering the conspicuous lack of evidence for demonic influences, there is no good reason to attribute psychopathology to the work of demons. It doesn't help in identifying the causes of mental health issues or in guiding treatment. Treating mental illness as "demonic" is likely to misdirect treatment, while also increasing the burden of stigma.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

It's worthwhile bearing in mind that the title of this thread is perhaps too broad. Psychology is not just about mental health. It comprises a broad array of disciplines relating to the study of mind, brain, and behaviour. Whenever someone asks me about my opinion of psychology (my field), I always ask "which aspect of it?"