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What do you think of psychology? More specifically, therapy and counseling?

A better question is, what do you think of it?

Have you ever felt sad?

Have you ever felt angry?

Have you ever felt happy?

Have you ever felt love?

Ah, mood swings. Sound to me like you suffer from manic-depression.

Let me prescribe you some mind altering narcotics, which may cause anxiety, depression, E.D., sudden death, and may cause you to go on a killing spree.

That will be $750.

"NEXT!"
 
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Psychology is the scientific study of behavior and mental processes. The brain is an organ, and just like any other organ, it can malfunction and/or become sick. Unfortunately, there is a lot of stigma and misunderstandings, as we can tell by this thread alone, about mental illness, it's treatments, and the field of psychology in general. I'll expand more in the morning.

...and as promised, my expansion.


Myth #1 Psychology rejects the supernatural - Psychology is not concerned with the supernatural because our behavior and mind are not supernatural. There are neurons firing behind every single thought you have had and are going to have, the mind being some intangible thing is really an illusion. Psychology, like any science, has Christians and non-Christians in the field, most Christian psychologists will not completely dismiss the idea of supernatural influence if nothing else explains it, however, it's extremely rare. However, supernatural treatment on the large scale has been tried, and it wasn't as effective as modern treatments.
Furthermore, psychologists are ethically prevented from imposing their values and beliefs on clients, and have to remain unbiased in therapy, atheist, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, etc. cannot impose their beliefs on the clients. There is nothing unethical about a Christian psychologist telling a Christian client that prayer can help with their problems, in fact, that's encouraged.

Myth #2 Psychology embraces the idea that we are born with who are and nothing can change - The current majority understanding is that we are who are as a result of both genetic and environmental influences, and it's probably fairly even as well. There has never been any psychological theory that has claimed people cannot change, people change as a natural part of growing older, certain aspects of your personality are going to be pretty stagnant, but you are not the same person you were. Now, there are certain aspects that cannot change, and certain things that are more difficult to treat and change. For example, If you are predisposed to alcoholism, you are always going to be predisposed to alcoholism, you may not become an alcoholic, but the predisposition is not going to go away.

Myth #3 There is one predominant theory for understanding psychology - There are many different theories widely still studied, researched, and practiced today. You can still be psychoanalyzed, and some therapists specialize in it. It's not seen as much in the mainstream, but in the mainstream there is no one theory that's seen as "this is it", there are those out there that will claim a biological model is all we need, and while this may be true one day, we are not there yet to effectively treat clients. In fact, the major schools of psychology (psychoanalysis, behaviorism, cognitive, and biological) are seen as bringing different strengths and weaknesses to the table. For example, let's say you start dating a clown, but have a major phobia of clowns so you go to a psychologist to help with the phobia. There's no biological treatment for that, you can get a pill to help decrease the physical effects, but that will do it for anything and won't really treat the phobia.
 
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i have known many people damaged by psychiatrists who just used their wisdom and didn't consult God. And I know many pastors who are lazy and just leave it all to secular mental health professionals as they think its a too hard basket. They don't think maybe to work together as a team for the good of the afflicted person.

They often just think of their pay packets, or a few words here and there.
A guy in church testified on Sunday that he was discharged from mental health services. Everyone had been praying for him and not judging him. If only you knew how cruel mental health services can be to someone you might not understand what it's like to be in a stuck in a godless institution and been given medicine with horrific side effects and no hope that you'll ever get better.

I've been damaged by people who told to consult God and demons were the root of my mental illness.

Not every psychological or emotional issue is caused by a spiritual misalignment. Some things are merely the result of bad decisions, bad circumstances, a bad environment, or even a bad diet, to name a few natural causes.

There are times when addressing something from a spiritual perspective is appropriate, but there are other times when it's important to recognize when something else is the case. Calling a severe mental illness demon possession, like they would in ancient times (and some sectarians do today), for example is not always correct.

Exactly, in my case, calling it "demonic influence" actually made me worse.
 
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Interesting discussion to read through. I'm enjoying it.

I don't have much input on this subject as I've only in the past year or so acquired a newfound appreciate for psychology and other similar fields. I'm still a bit leery of it all because there are indeed so many crackpots out there, Christian and unChristian, who don't know what the heck they're doing.

*For now, I will agree with Darth on the point that mental illness can't always be chalked up to demonic oppression. There are many, many reasons why people suffer from mental issues. The problem isn't always a spiritual one. There are all sorts of causes and everyone needs to recognise this fact and be open to it.
 
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I think counseling and therapy can be very helpful. I'm also all for Christian and Biblical counseling if they have degrees and aren't just Christians talking and listening on the side. As for pastors, if the pastor has a degree in pastoral care and counseling then generally he had to take counseling courses and possibly an internship. I think perhaps it is a case by case sort of thing. For instance I know one pastor who has a MDIV in pastoral care and counseling and a Doctorate in counseling. He also was at one point a counselor for an outside organization. So some pastors have the qualifications, the knowledge, and experience to counsel those who need it. I worked for and was around a few psychologist and found an interesting quirk. The ones I knew had to go see a psychiatrist or psychologist themselves. I'm not sure what that says, if anything, but it made me wonder.
 
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...and as promised, my expansion.


Myth #1 Psychology rejects the supernatural - Psychology is not concerned with the supernatural because our behavior and mind are not supernatural. There are neurons firing behind every single thought you have had and are going to have, the mind being some intangible thing is really an illusion. Psychology, like any science, has Christians and non-Christians in the field, most Christian psychologists will not completely dismiss the idea of supernatural influence if nothing else explains it, however, it's extremely rare. However, supernatural treatment on the large scale has been tried, and it wasn't as effective as modern treatments.
Furthermore, psychologists are ethically prevented from imposing their values and beliefs on clients, and have to remain unbiased in therapy, atheist, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, etc. cannot impose their beliefs on the clients. There is nothing unethical about a Christian psychologist telling a Christian client that prayer can help with their problems, in fact, that's encouraged.

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Those who believe the mind is supernatural would be correct in saying that psych rejects the supernatural.

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Those who believe the mind is supernatural would be correct in saying that psych rejects the supernatural.

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Right, but the thing about science is that true regardless of whether or not you believe it.
 
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As a science or as a career options? The brain is an organ in our body which can malfunction like any other organ. There is nothing "holy" that exempts it from needing medical intervention at times. Psychologists can't prescribe medications so those talking about psychologist and counselors wanting to drug everyone up, are mistaken. Psychiatrists are medical doctors (yes, they went to the same medical schools as your family doctor or cardiologists) and yes, they do prescribe medicines no different than any other medical doctor. Our emotional identity is not very well understood so there is not concrete way to treat any one illness or emotional crisis....but really, there isn't any one way to treat high blood pressure either...each body responds differently so the medication routine is unique to each individual.

I think talk counseling is a very important part of healing the mind...either with or without appropriate medications. The problem is finding a counselor who is a good fit...one that has a similar world view. Finding this can be an expensive time consuming exercise but when you do find one, it is very healing for most people. We live in a society that isolates people and they don't have support people in their lives who are available to serve as safe emotional supports for the wide range of stresses that exist in the modern world. Counseling provides a safe one way relationship that allows each person to explore their own solutions to their problems with guidance from an outside, unemotionally involved individual.

As for psychology as a career?...you need a minimum of a master's degree to do anything with it...and then still don't plan on making a lot of money. I personally hated every psychology class I have ever been forced to take...ironically, I absolutely loved my psychiatric/behavior health nursing class and now moonlight as a psych nurse. It is one of the most rewarding things I do.
 
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I think counseling and therapy can be very helpful. I'm also all for Christian and Biblical counseling if they have degrees and aren't just Christians talking and listening on the side. As for pastors, if the pastor has a degree in pastoral care and counseling then generally he had to take counseling courses and possibly an internship. I think perhaps it is a case by case sort of thing. For instance I know one pastor who has a MDIV in pastoral care and counseling and a Doctorate in counseling. He also was at one point a counselor for an outside organization. So some pastors have the qualifications, the knowledge, and experience to counsel those who need it. I worked for and was around a few psychologist and found an interesting quirk. The ones I knew had to go see a psychiatrist or psychologist themselves. I'm not sure what that says, if anything, but it made me wonder.

It may simply mean they know that counseling can be therapeutic. It also is very difficult to listen to the burdens of others all day long and not be able to tangibly help them...only give them emotional support. Being a caregiver in any capacity is very emotionally draining and it takes a toll on the caregiver....
 
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Quick toss in of a thought.
Our minds are physical on our ends but supposedly there is some intangible or otherwise a possible non physical construct of our minds also. We see the physical conglomeration of neurons firing off but also since the structures of our brains are so complex some scientist are suspecting more is going on than what can be seen.

Buuut. I'm not sure and do agree with science sans the less developed things that aren't proven such as the continually evolving theories of quantum mechanics. Which I'm too stupid to understand, and I won't attempt to go into since hours of reading just scratches the surface on things that I don't need to learn.
I agree that many mental illnesses are chemically based, and aren't demonic.
Some are though, but merely sticking that label to everything is a rather blind, and improper way of handling things.
 
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The are starting to understand the neurological function of the brain including brain chemistry...but thought and emotions still are very ununderstood. For example, they know from double blind studies that antidepressants do work but for most, they have no idea of how they work...the "action" of these drugs is still listed as "not understood".
 
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The are starting to understand the neurological function of the brain including brain chemistry...but thought and emotions still are very ununderstood. For example, they know from double blind studies that antidepressants do work but for most, they have no idea of how they work...the "action" of these drugs is still listed as "not understood".
I am definitely not attempting to not acknowledge that drugs don't help.
But I do personally think our minds aren't completely manifested in reality.
As if thing do occur now in our brains, but that it's also being dynamically cached, and otherwise kept elsewhere too.
Ei perhaps the brain itself has an interface that's non physical, and so we see half of it but the rest is a black box.
I'm no physicist, mathematician, or any qualified person.
Just my two cents.
 
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I've been damaged by people who told to consult God and demons were the root of my mental illness.

Exactly, in my case, calling it "demonic influence" actually made me worse.

Regarding mental illness...

I am a person who was delivered and healed from some Christians and their toxic faith/beliefs about mental illness, medication, and medical care. They were wrong and I suffered greatly because of them. I am a Born Again Christian whose life continues to benefit from medication. I also have the experience of having had really good doctors. I've been truly blessed in that way. Receiving medical care has never superseded my faith in God. If anything I've seen God lead and guide. So I really don't have any horror stories regarding medication, medical professionals, or medical care I've received past or present. That's not my experience.

My horror stories are regarding some Christians who demonized, mocked, and stigmatized mental illness and treated me like I was less than a human being. What I experienced at the hands of those Christians was anything but God. My faith was attacked, I was judged, and treated like I wasn't "really" Born Again. When it was all said and done, I had a broken spirit. It was a long haul but I forgave those people. I found out that God is bigger than people like that regardless of whether they stand in the pulpit, sit on the pews, on a message board, are deliberate or ignorant in their actions. God is more.

In wisdom I do continue to guard my heart and my life from Christians who spiritualize, belittle, and berate mental illness and the medical care that's available. I know it is not of God and I have the scars to prove it. I pray that mentally ill people don't experience what I did with some Christians, that God protect them from such, and that they get the help they need in the way that is right for them. I must say though that I am grateful for my brothers & sisters in Christ who do get “it”. I don't even have the words to express how much I appreciate their compassion and understanding.
 
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What do you think of psychology? More specifically, therapy and counseling?

Psychology applies to us all, as our personal psychology is what drives our behavior and it is important to understand it and address it when things get off kilter.

Therapy and counseling can be extremely beneficial for some, if done for the right reasons and with the right therapist, for the particular issue at hand.
 
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I am not sure.
The question that needs to be answered is if it is statistically more effective at alleviating the problems that it purports to alleviate.

In the end, I don't think that the Freudian schools of counseling were able to do that, even if the insights that they have to offer are pretty fascinating. People may be wiser when they get off the couch, but they are just as messed up as they ever were.
Behavior therapy has more of a success rate, but its sets its sights much lower and deals with only a specific behavior rather than the person as a whole.
Rehab clinics all seem to be built with revolving doors, but then again we would have to really have to do a statistical analysis.
It would all depend on the counselor too, since so much of talk therapy is built around a personal relationship of some kind, empathy and unconditional acceptance and all that kind of stuff. And even if that proves to be better than nothing at all, how would it compare to having a good friend with a sympathetic ear doing essentially the same thing?

As far as turning one's life completely around, conversion to Christianity is rife with such examples of people doing exactly that. Faith is a therapy of a kind too, and it the insights that it has on psychology and the human condition are ancient and have been tested over thousands of years by now.
 
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I think it depends if you a christian or not.
And what kind of things you believe Jesus is capable of healing. If you dont believe in Him, hes not going to heal you. I think the more you trust that he can heal you, the more likely you are to see results.

Pyshcology is just goin round in circles. Jesus didnt use psychology on people. He never charged people money.

If you really want to be free, he can set you free.
Plus the truth is the truth no matter what. Science can falsely be called truth and there is more to the world than science. Nowadays a lot of science is built on a faulty foundation of sand.
 
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I think it depends if you a christian or not.
And what kind of things you believe Jesus is capable of healing. If you dont believe in Him, hes not going to heal you. I think the more you trust that he can heal you, the more likely you are to see results.

Pyshcology is just goin round in circles. Jesus didnt use psychology on people. He never charged people money.

If you really want to be free, he can set you free.
Plus the truth is the truth no matter what. Science can falsely be called truth and there is more to the world than science. Nowadays a lot of science is built on a faulty foundation of sand.

There is nowhere in scripture that promises that Christians are free from any kind of pain or illness in this life. To tell people pray and forgo seeking medical or psychological attention is both dangerous physically and theologically.

True how can a psychiatrist be a friend if they are paid to be your friend.

Therapists are not paid to be your friend. The client-therapist relationship requires a very delicate balance of professionalism and support, becoming too emotionally involved in your client is a bad thing.
 
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There is nowhere in scripture that promises that Christians are free from any kind of pain or illness in this life. To tell people pray and forgo seeking medical or psychological attention is both dangerous physically and theologically.
Normally yes with a physical illness, but a lot of people died because they were told to go to a psychiater and got Antidepressants which made them kill themselves. That is the devil if you want to kill yourself.
I was really angry that people in church and my ex who was a pastor kinda forced me to go there and take drugs.
I'd never tell someone to stop meds or stop going to a psychiater. A woman in our church was healed from bipolar through prayer but she kept going there and took meds until he told her it wasn't necessary anymore. Also I have to shut up about meds etc. in our church, but I did tell her my testimony that God healed me.
Once though there was a guy on cf who took drugs he got from a psychiater and he wasn't schizophrenic, just depressed or something, same as me. He got visions of killing himself with a Razorblade all of a sudden immediately after taking it. I didn't care about the policy here, go on and ban me and told him I had exactly the same and to throw it away and listen to Derek Prince and T.B. Joshua instead who prayed for viewers which I posted. They removed my post but he pm'd me to say it was gone immediately.
 
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