pshun challenge

[tas8831]

Unclean.

Leviticus 11:13 And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
14 And the vulture, and the kite after his kind;
15 Every raven after his kind;
16 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,
17 And the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl,
18 And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle,
19 And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.

Bats are mammals, not fowl.

Thanks for presenting another reason to be skeptical about the bible's content.

 

[AV1611VET]

Bats are mammals, not fowl.

Yes.

According to current Linnaean classification, they most certainly are.

I'll bet you think we're apes too, don't you?

 

[tas8831]

Yes.

According to current Linnaean classification, they most certainly are.

I'll bet you think we're apes too, don't you?

Yes, I do. Because there is no true, objective diagnostic criterion with which to justify placing us in a group unto our own.

Even Linnaeus acknowledged this, writing, in effect, that the only reason he put us in our own Family was to placate the religious, whom he was smart to fear given their proclivities.

Regarding bats = birds because that is how the ancient Hebrews classified things is a non-argument.
bats do not have feathers. Their wing structure is different from that of a bird. bats do not lay eggs. etc. To lump them together merely because they fly is the height of unsophisticated folk science - which should not be a surprise, given the times in which the bible stories were written by men.

 

[AV1611VET]

Regarding bats = birds because that is how the ancient Hebrews classified things is a non-argument.

No kidding?

That's why I don't use that argument: it's anti-Semitic.

In other words, it's scientific.

The argument I use is this: The Bible say it, that settles it.

 

[tas8831]

No kidding?

That's why I don't use that argument: it's anti-Semitic.

It is anti-semitic HOW, exactly?

In other words, it's scientific.

Non sequitur.

The argument I use is this: The Bible say it, that settles it.

What a sad mode of life.

 

[ViaCrucis]

It is anti-semitic HOW, exactly?


Non sequitur.

What a sad mode of life.

The general rule of them with AV is if you're going to try and engage him in debate, make sure to have a good surplus of patience and sanity at your disposal.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[LutheranGuy123]

Wait, are we seriously arguing over whether or not bats qualify as fowl? Because if we are, then AV has lost all credibility toward being interested in debate. Anyone who uses the Bible to claim that bats are a type of bird will not change his or her mind on any subject.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Speciation only produces variety within the same type of organism. SHOW ME otherwise.

If you could show otherwise, you would actually succesfully disprove evolution theory.

All natural events of speciation (even Darwin's finches) and ALL lab experiments done, only prove my position.

Your position is that evolution theory is an accurate model of reality?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Lenski's team has been running their test for decades approaching 100,000 generations of E-Coli with all sorts of mutation and adaptation being presented and guess what? They are still E-Coli!

Why haven't they become something other?

For the same reason that humans are "still" mammals.

 

[Jimmy D]

Wait, are we seriously arguing over whether or not bats qualify as fowl? Because if we are, then AV has lost all credibility toward being interested in debate. Anyone who uses the Bible to claim that bats are a type of bird will not change his or her mind on any subject.

AV and Dad perform a valuable service in demonstrating the insanity that bible idolatry can lead to.

 

[AV1611VET]

Wait, are we seriously arguing over whether or not bats qualify as fowl?

You guys are the ones crying "fowl," not I.

Anyone who uses the Bible to claim that bats are a type of bird will not change his or her mind on any subject.

May I suggest they use the Bible to claim that bats are unclean animals and not to be eaten, and skip the Linnaean garbage?

 

[Jimmy D]

You guys are the ones crying "fowl," not I.May I suggest they use the Bible to claim that bats are unclean animals and not to be eaten, and skip the Linnaean garbage?

Do you eat unclean animals or only the clean ones?

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you eat unclean animals or only the clean ones?

Why? will it make me a creationist if I do? will it make me an evolutionist if I don't?

 

[Jimmy D]

Why? will it make me a creationist if I do? will it make me an evolutionist if I don't?

No, of course not. I'm just curious.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, of course not. I'm just curious.

Acts 10:13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
Acts 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
Acts 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

For the record, I eat both. Fish is my favorite. I don't care for ham, but love pork chops. Anchovy pizza!

 

[jacks]

Acts 10:13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
Acts 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
Acts 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

For the record, I eat both. Fish is my favorite. I don't care for ham, but love pork chops. Anchovy pizza!

This is the first thing you've ever said I disagree with. Anchovies on pizza is an abomination! If we ever order pizza together please remember Romans 14:20-21.

 

[AV1611VET]

This is the first thing you've ever said I disagree with. Anchovies on pizza is an abomination! If we ever order pizza together please remember Romans 14:20-21.

I'm forwarding a request that it be at the Marriage Supper of the Lamb!

 

[jacks]

I'm forwarding a request that it be at the Marriage Supper of the Lamb!

I'm going to be so thrilled to get the invitation, I won't care what is served. See you there!

 

[AV1611VET]

See you there!

You too, brother!

God bless you!

 

[USincognito]

The general rule of them with AV is if you're going to try and engage him in debate, make sure to have a good surplus of patience and sanity at your disposal.

-CryptoLutheran

A better rule is to just ignore him and not feed his ego.