proving evolution as just a "theory"

[HitchSlap]

The Bible is very relevant if your interested or not.

In what way?

 

[HitchSlap]

God gives us wisdom, knowledge and understanding. The Holy Spirit is our Teacher to guide us and to lead us into the truth. We do not need man to teach us.

You make it sound like you're so important.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Does this spell the end for atheistic engineering practices?

Engineering is based on understanding the Natural Laws that God created. Engineering works with the elements that God created. Engineering tells us how God does what He does, the Bible tells us why.

 

[sfs]

about 5-10 my and even more.

Okay. So we're not talking about young-earth creationism. Fine. Are you saying that humans were created 5 - 10 million years ago? Or that ancestors of humans were created then, which then evolved into modern humans? There is, of course, no evidence for humans living 5 million years ago, or for Homo sapiens living 1 million years ago.

Were all species created at that time, or were different species created at different times? What is the (created) relationship between different species and their closest genetic relatives?

now tell me why this data cant fit with a creation model.

Well, I haven't seen one yet. That's why I'm trying to get you to specify a creation model.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Have you ever heard of the Bible?

Sure I have, along with the Qur'an, Torah, the Vedas, etc. I even have a few of them in hardcopy too, including the bible in KJV and ESV btw...

 

[TBDude65]

The Bible is very relevant if your interested or not.

I'm much more interested in trying to better understand reality than I am mythology.

 

[Allandavid]

that was "allandavid" claim. not mine. so im not the one you will need to convince.

Excuse me...?

For the 3rd time now, the fusion event provides INDIRECT evidence for the theory, in that it removes a possible objection which could have otherwise disproven it. If we had not found this evidence, we may well have jettisoned the concept that humans and chimps had a common ancestor.

Do try to be honest....

 

[Allandavid]

God gives us wisdom, knowledge and understanding. The Holy Spirit is our Teacher to guide us and to lead us into the truth. We do not need man to teach us.

And yet, you use the bible as your guide...?

 

[Kylie]

why not? see this figure:

https://www.researchgate.net/figure...of-laryngeal-echolocation-A-Phylogenetic-tree

Ah, but there would be differences.

If two organisms have the same trait of echolocation, and they both have it because their common ancestor had it, then we would expect that the genes for it are going to be pretty much the same. The same result is coming from the same instructions, after all. But if the two organisms evolved echolocation separately, then we would expect to see that even though the end result is the same, the process by which it gets there is quite different. There could be some structural changes in the body, or maybe the genetic sequences that cause it are different. Some examples: The different ways bats and cetaceans create echolocation, the different wing types in bats, birds and insects, different methods of reaching high-up leaves for giraffes and elephants...

So by a close examination of the different organisms, we can tell if it is a result of common ancestry or convergent evolution.

You, apparently, seem to think it is just a bunch of scientists saying, "Well, they do the same thing, it MUST be common ancestry!"

 

[MrAnderson9]

iam trying to prove to a friend that the christian way is the true way but he tells me to give an explanation of evolution and dinosaurs.

any things i could say to prove him wrong?

love
camila smith <3

Why does everyone think that evolution and God can't go together? Evolution is a process that needs direction. The direction comes from God.

 

[Speedwell]

Why does everyone think that evolution and God can't go together? Evolution is a process that needs direction. The direction comes from God.

It's not about God vs evolution--it's about the Bible.

 

[MrAnderson9]

It's not about God vs evolution--it's about the Bible.

Please elaborate... Are you saying that the Bible doesn't support Evolution?

 

[MrAnderson9]

Ah, but there would be differences.

If two organisms have the same trait of echolocation, and they both have it because their common ancestor had it, then we would expect that the genes for it are going to be pretty much the same. The same result is coming from the same instructions, after all. But if the two organisms evolved echolocation separately, then we would expect to see that even though the end result is the same, the process by which it gets there is quite different. There could be some structural changes in the body, or maybe the genetic sequences that cause it are different. Some examples: The different ways bats and cetaceans create echolocation, the different wing types in bats, birds and insects, different methods of reaching high-up leaves for giraffes and elephants...

So by a close examination of the different organisms, we can tell if it is a result of common ancestry or convergent evolution.

You, apparently, seem to think it is just a bunch of scientists saying, "Well, they do the same thing, it MUST be common ancestry!"

But you have to understand the process you describe above requires defining.. it requires definition like every other thing in existence. Without a defining standard of interaction.. nothing would exist in the physical world. There is a definition behind every object.. every process .. everything that requires a hard coded definition of how it will interact in the physical world. This hard coded definition comes from GOD .. also known as the "Creative Process responsible for Everything".

 

[Speedwell]

Please elaborate... Are you saying that the Bible doesn't support Evolution?

Some people seem to think so. They go so far, some of them, as to think that the theory of evolution is an attack on the Bible. My opinion is that the Bible does not address the subject, no more than the theory of evolution concerns itself with the Bible.

 

[AV1611VET]

My opinion is that the Bible does not address the subject,

And you're most certainly entitled to that opinion.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Why does everyone think that evolution and God can't go together? Evolution is a process that needs direction. The direction comes from God.

Hello Mr. Anderson9! Good to see another philosophical type on these here forums.

Personally, I take the BioLogos approach to our Christian faith, so I have little problem in holding to both a mainstream scientific view of the world and a faith in the Providential work of God through Christ. So, here we are.

Peace,
2PhiloVoid

 

[sfs]

But you have to understand the process you describe above requires defining.. it requires definition like every other thing in existence. Without a defining standard of interaction.. nothing would exist in the physical world. There is a definition behind every object.. every process .. everything that requires a hard coded definition of how it will interact in the physical world.

Why?

 

[MrAnderson9]

Hello Mr. Anderson9! Good to see another philosophical type on these here forums.

Personally, I take the BioLogos approach to our Christian faith, so I have little problem in holding to both a mainstream scientific view of the world and a faith in the Providential work of God through Christ. So, here we are.

Peace,
2PhiloVoid

Thanks Phil! Nice To meet you as well!

 

[MrAnderson9]

Why?

Why does everything require defining? Because without definition it doesn't exist.

 

[sfs]

Why does everything require defining? Because without definition it doesn't exist.

How do you know that? You're making sweeping metaphysical claims as if they were self-evident. They're not.