proving evolution as just a "theory"

[Neostarwcc]

Believing it is infallible, is not the same thing as it actually being infallible.

A lot of people out there believe that the Quran is infallible, and a lot believe the Book of Mormon is infallible. Heck, there are people who think Dianetics by L. Ron Hubbard is infallible.

The Quran didn't predict several events before science knew about it like the Bible did. Like for example, that the world was round. Only the Bible predicted the world was round in around 700 BC. LONG before Columbus discovered it in the 15th century.

His other book is a lot more interesting:
The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief

His second book is more of a discussion on the latest findings on DNA. Although the book was written 5 years ago, so it must be getting outdated by now.

I'll pick up both of them when I get paid.

 

[joshua 1 9]

A lot of people out there believe that the Quran is infallible, and a lot believe the Book of Mormon is infallible. Heck, there are people who think Dianetics by L. Ron Hubbard is infallible.

Does not matter what they believe, you are only going to be held accountable for what YOU believe.

 

[TBDude65]

The Quran didn't predict several events before science knew about it like the Bible did. Like for example, that the world was round. Only the Bible predicted the world was round in around 700 BC. LONG before Columbus discovered it in the 15th century.



I'll pick up both of them when I get paid.

"The Quran didn't predict several events before science knew about it like the Bible did. Like for example, that the world was round. Only the Bible predicted the world was round in around 700 BC. LONG before Columbus discovered it in the 15th century."

Not according to Muslims. They believe the Quran has predicted all sorts of things through divine inspiration. Seriously, go to any debate page where Muslim debaters are active and read them. They say LITERALLY the exact same things you do with LITERALLY the exact same justifications. You can't both be correct, but you can both be wrong.

 

[sfs]

Maybe I should pick up a copy of the book on kindle. Is it an interesting read?

Maybe you should. You could learn a lot from Collins: "Yes, evolution by descent from a common ancestor is clearly true. If there was any lingering doubt about the evidence from the fossil record, the study of DNA provides the strongest possible proof of our relatedness to all other living things."

 

[TBDude65]

Does not matter what they believe, you are only going to be held accountable for what YOU believe.

That's what you believe but with no reason for me to believe it's true, it doesn't really warrant any serious consideration.

 

[Neostarwcc]

"The Quran didn't predict several events before science knew about it like the Bible did. Like for example, that the world was round. Only the Bible predicted the world was round in around 700 BC. LONG before Columbus discovered it in the 15th century."

Not according to Muslims. They believe the Quran has predicted all sorts of things through divine inspiration. Seriously, go to any debate page where Muslim debaters are active and read them. They say LITERALLY the exact same things you do with LITERALLY the exact same justifications. You can't both be correct, but you can both be wrong.

Perhaps. I'm not really familiar with the Quran or the Muslim religion in general so I don't really know what kind of things it has predicted. I know the Bible has predicted lots of things.

 

[TBDude65]

Perhaps. I'm not really familiar with the Quran or the Muslim religion in general so I don't really know what kind of things it has predicted. I know the Bible has predicted lots of things.

The Quran and the Bible are both used in the same way for the same reasons by their respective adherents. Both assert "truth" from their books via divine inspiration, and both offer the same dearth of evidence to support their "predictions." Seriously, go read what the Muslims believe the Quran has predicted. It'll boggle the mind what they believe their ancient text predicted these things based on what it actually says.

And when you realize how absurd it is that they call these "predictions" true, you'll begin to understand why some of us don't believe the "predictions" from the Bible.

 

[joshua 1 9]

The Quran didn't predict several events before science knew about it like the Bible did. Like for example, that the world was round. Only the Bible predicted the world was round in around 700 BC. LONG before Columbus discovered it in the 15th century.

Abraham was a Chaldean from the city of Ur. They knew quite a bit about astronomy but they had it mixed in with astrology. After his father died Abraham was called to come out from among them and separate truth from error. Abraham was the father of many people and many nations. Even as Christians we are adopted into the family.

 

[Neostarwcc]

The Quran and the Bible are both used in the same way for the same reasons by their respective adherents. Both assert "truth" from their books via divine inspiration, and both offer the same dearth of evidence to support their "predictions." Seriously, go read what the Muslims believe the Quran has predicted. It'll boggle the mind what they believe their ancient text predicted these things based on what it actually says.

And when you realize how absurd it is that they call these "predictions" true, you'll begin to understand why some of us don't believe the "predictions" from the Bible.

I see. Well, you're entitled to your opinion as am I.

Abraham was a Chaldean from the city of Ur. They knew quite a bit about astronomy but they had it mixed in with astrology. After his father died Abraham was called to come out from among them and separate truth from error. Abraham was the father of many people and many nations. Even as Christians we are adopted into the family.

Interesting. Good point, I never really thought of it that way.

 

[joshua 1 9]

That's what you believe but with no reason for me to believe it's true, it doesn't really warrant any serious consideration.

I am 65 years old and I have found out that people reap what they sow and no one gets away with anything in life. The prisons are full of people that thought they were going to get away with it. Do good and good will return to you. If you do evil then you can expect that to return to you. You are free to choose whatever seeds you want to sow. Just don't expect to reap something different from what you sow in life.

 

[TBDude65]

I see. Well, you're entitled to your opinion as am I.



Interesting. Good point, I never really thought of it that way.

Perhaps you should expand your opinion by actually making the comparison

 

[joshua 1 9]

Interesting. Good point, I never really thought of it that way.

This is why we are told:

"Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you," 2 cor 6:17

 

[Neostarwcc]

Perhaps you should expand your opinion by actually making the comparison

You mean by reading the Quran? Pass. I don't really care what it contains as much as you don't. I know the Bible is the true word of God and that's good enough for me.

 

[TBDude65]

I am 65 years old and I have found out that people reap what they sow and no one gets away with anything in life. The prisons are full of people that thought they were going to get away with it. Do good and good will return to you. If you do evil then you can expect that to return to you. You are free to choose whatever seeds you want to sow. Just don't expect to reap something different from what you sow in life.

I think you’re assertion that people don’t get away with anything is demonstrably false.

“The man who is a pessimist before 48 knows too much; if he is an optimist after it, he knows too little.”
-Mark Twain

 

[TBDude65]

You mean by reading the Quran? Pass. I don't really care what it contains as much as you don't. I know the Bible is the true word of God and that's good enough for me.

As long as you acknowledge your willful ignorance (and I never said you need read the Quran. I recommended you read what Muslims believe)

 

[Neostarwcc]

As long as you acknowledge your willful ignorance (and I never said you need read the Quran. I recommended you read what Muslims believe)

I do admit that I am ignorant on the Muslim religion. It's never interested me. But, I might read up on what Muslims believe. I did happen to read why Jews don't believe that Jesus is the Messiah. It was interesting, I think they're wrong obviously But, it was an interesting read.

 

[Wakalix]

Does not matter what they believe, you are only going to be held accountable for what YOU believe.

But why does your faith make your beliefs true, but their faith doesn't make their beliefs true?

 

[ViaCrucis]

The Quran didn't predict several events before science knew about it like the Bible did. Like for example, that the world was round. Only the Bible predicted the world was round in around 700 BC. LONG before Columbus discovered it in the 15th century.

There's two things wrong in this statement.

1) In Hebrew the word translated as "circle" actually means circle, as in a round, flat plane. There is a word in Hebrew for "ball", which isn't the word Isaiah uses. The cosmological view of the time was consistent with what other ancient near eastern cultures thought, and that is the language the writers of Holy Scripture use.

2) Columbus didn't discover that the earth was round, everyone with a basic education at the time already knew that; we've known this in the West since at least the time of Eratosthenes who demonstrated the spherical shape of the earth 2300 years ago. The idea that medieval people believed the earth is flat is a popular modern myth--and the idea that Columbus set out to prove the earth was round is pure fiction, invented out of imagination in the 1800s. The reality is that Columbus believed the earth was much smaller than it is (Eratosthenes' experiments also mathematically gave us the size of the planet as well, and he was remarkably close to the actual figure, being off by only a few percent). Columbus' unfounded belief that the earth was about 1/3 smaller than what was accepted led him to believe that it was possible to reach India by sailing west--no one doubted that you could in theory reach Asia by sailing west at the time, but the distance alone made that an utterly suicidal mission to attempt (imagine sailing in a relatively primitive wooden vessel across both the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans with no Americas in between). After being rejected by other European rulers, and even by the Spanish Crown several times, they finally agreed and gave him a few boats to go on his suicidal trip. Columbus was wrong, he merely got lucky to bump into a Caribbean island. Well, lucky for him, very unlucky for the indigenous peoples. Christopher Columbus is one of history's most evil tyrannical monsters.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Wakalix]

Why don't you read the wiki article then we can take it from there.

Biblical infallibility - Wikipedia

I know what it means for something to be infallible. I want to know why you think that the Bible is infallible, not just that you do.

 

[Wakalix]

This is why we are told:

"Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you," 2 cor 6:17

"Make sure not to consider the enemy's arguments! They're definitely wrong - don't even imagine for a moment that they could be correct."

*sigh*