Prove me wrong Phobes, a challenge, I'm calling you OUT.

[Trevorocity]

One of the exceedingly ridiculous claims of the Religious Right is that "Change is possible" for Homosexuals. That is to say, they can become Heterosexual if they wish and pray for it hard enough. This myth centers around the belief that homosexuals choose to be homosexuals and they can just wave a magic wand and unchoose it.

Fair enough. One only has to look at the surface to find out what motivates the Religious Right in this matter: money. Worried, phobic, "Christian" parents will pay a premium to force their gay sons into reparative therapy against their will. And of course groups like Exodus International and Love Won Out received millions in laundered Tithe money to support their bizarre operations.

On the other hand, maybe those 5 or 6 openly "ex-gay" mouthpieces who now suckle at the Reparative Therapy Teet (in what no one could possibly conclude is a conflict of interest because its not like they have a vested interest in continuing the myth or that the Ex-Gay therapy centers pay their salary...oh wait they do), have genuinely changed.

I don't think they have and I don't think its possible SO in the spirit of discovery and research; Phobes, here's your challenge: Prove me wrong.

I've often issued this challenge in other threads. Curiously it is a challenge that has never been taken up. I say curious because it is the one way to prove ALL 'Teh Gheys' collectively wrong once and for all and shut us up forever. The challenge is issued to Heterosexuals -- Alright so you say Homosexuality is a choice? Choose it then. I've never once heard a straggot come back with, "Alright buddy you're on!"

All you really ever hear is the collective sound of all the straight guys rushing out of the room. Or you hear lame excuses like, "Oh well I could easily choose to be homosexual but I won't because its a sin". Lame. Put your money where your mouth is phobe. If homosexuality is just a choice you can always unchoose it later, and if you're sorry Jesus will forgive you.

So that's it really. This thread gets bumped until some confirmed heterosexual guy who believes sexuality is a choice takes up the challenge. Women...sorry you're out on this one. I don't find the idea of two women together titillating in any way but for the sake of the delicate constitutions of the "Christian" men on this site lets agree you're too tempting.

 

[Spherical Time]

I say curious because it is the one way to prove ALL 'Teh Gheys' collectively wrong once and for all and shut us up forever. The challenge is issued to Heterosexuals -- Alright so you say Homosexuality is a choice? Choose it then. I've never once heard a straggot come back with, "Alright buddy you're on!"

All you really ever hear is the collective sound of all the straight guys rushing out of the room. Or you hear lame excuses like, "Oh well I could easily choose to be homosexual but I won't because its a sin". Lame. Put your money where your mouth is phobe. If homosexuality is just a choice you can always unchoose it later, and if you're sorry Jesus will forgive you.

And just imagine how happy your God will be with all of the gay people you'll save through your temporary sin. To be able to prove it through scientific attraction tests will make you the most famous reparitive/conversion therapists ever.

Yet somehow I suspect that this thread will be met mostly with a resounding silence.

 

[Trevorocity]

And just imagine how happy your God will be with all of the gay people you'll save through your temporary sin. To be able to prove it through scientific attraction tests will make you the most famous reparitive/conversion therapists ever.

Yet somehow I suspect that this thread will be met mostly with a resounding silence.

Oh trust me I've heard all the excuses before. "Oh well God won't forgive me if I choose to be an unrepentant homosexual." Really? And so those folks who already are homosexuals are just SOL? Lucky you chose heterosexuality when you filled out those forms in school eh?

Or another one which is good. "Homosexuality is a sin, and is therefore bad, how can anything bad lead to a greater good?" Really? So Jesus didn't lose his own life (a bad thing) to save humanity? (a good thing)

Or another favorite non sequitor of mine: "Homosexuality will destroy America!!!" Really? How? "Shutup".

 

[Spherical Time]

My personal favorites have to do with the bizarre duality that they create between the sin of homosexuality or whatever sin they happen to commit. The "unrepentant" thing is one of the weasel words that I used to see often.

 

[HannahBanana]

Definitely subscribing to this thread, lol. Though part of me is inclined to think that no homophobes will actually respond to it. I guess we'll just have to wait and see, though. *grabs a bag of popcorn and waits*

 

[sidhe]

*subscribes*

*eats popcorn while listening to the crickets*

 

[GeratTzedek]

I considered replying substantially to this thread, but somehow the attack of "phobes" in the title was such a put off.

 

[PassionFruit]

Any takers? I'd like to hear.

*eats popcorn*

 

[HannahBanana]

I considered replying substantially to this thread, but somehow the attack of "phobes" in the title was such a put off.

What, you're going to let a little name-calling stop you from responding to this thread? Somehow I'm guessing that that isn't the only thing stopping you from replying...

 

[Trevorocity]

No takers? Perhaps I'll make it a little easier on those who would like to shut me up? If you live in Colorado and would like to take up my challenge but are concerned about the risks then you're welcome to meet with me in Colorado Springs. I'll make sure you have the best possible information on how to convert to homosexuality safely and I'll make sure you don't ever date any of the local creeps. I keep a list of quality men who are age-appropriate so whether you're 18-60 I can help.

 

[Spherical Time]

No takers? Perhaps I'll make it a little easier on those who would like to shut me up? If you live in Colorado and would like to take up my challenge but are concerned about the risks then you're welcome to meet with me in Colorado Springs. I'll make sure you have the best possible information on how to convert to homosexuality safely and I'll make sure you don't ever date any of the local creeps. I keep a list of quality men who are age-appropriate so whether you're 18-60 I can help.

Well darn. I'm already gay so I don't qualify, but I need a friend that can do that for me around where I live.

 

[Aeris]

Great idea although Im sure no one will actually take the challenge besides even if they did how would they prove they really became homosexual? Also the argument that its a sin is stupid, Im pretty sure their god would be happy that it was proven that its a choice so that all the homosexuals can choose to become heterosexual, then the person who proved it can just choose to become hetero again and ask to be forgiven in exchange for proving once and for all it is a choice (besides they wouldnt be an "unrepented homosexual" if they became hetero again and asked for forgiveness). Anyways it will be interesting to see the responses from people who think its a choice if they even reply at all.

 

[Spherical Time]

even if they did how would they prove they really became homosexual?

There are attraction tests that can determine the sexual arousal created by pictures of one sex or the other.

All that I think would be required would be a shift from one set of attractions to another.

 

[Trevorocity]

All this talk of "eating popcorn" has subliminally convinced me to eat popcorn. Damn the empty carbs! Full speed ahead!

For the purposes of this experiment we'll need to find my mirror image of sexual orientation. Some dude who has never even thought about another dude in terms of sexual attraction. If we're going by the Kinsey scale of sexual orientation I would be one of the few who is completely homosexual. The most attractive woman in the universe could be rubbing up against me and: zip, nada, bubkiss on my side of the equation. I've never even had a dream about being with a woman. You could in otherwords completely trust me to take care of your teenage daughters for a week while you went on vacation and I wouldn't even steal their under-garments.

Obviously any guy who admits to having a previous attraction to another man despite his current "heterosexual" orientation would be right out. Either: he's bisexual, OR he's secretly homosexual (pretending for whatever reason to be straight). And guys who get really wasted and mess around with their guy friends are also out...it happens, it doesnt mean anything

 

[Verv]

Change is perhaps impossible. Some people may never be attracted to people of the opposite gender.

However, what is possible is abstaining from sex altogether. Millions of clergy members around the world are celibate -- from Christian to Buddhist -- in order to attain deeper levels of thought and connection with God, with their philosophies, etc. Celibacy is a path that people can take.

It is better to struggle against sin than to perhaps try to alter yourself.

God does not necessarily need you to be sexually active in some form -- in fact, it was encouraged by both Paul and Christ for us to consider celibacy.

 

[Spherical Time]

Change is perhaps impossible. Some people may never be attracted to people of the opposite gender.

However, what is possible is abstaining from sex altogether. Millions of clergy members around the world are celibate -- from Christian to Buddhist -- in order to attain deeper levels of thought and connection with God, with their philosophies, etc. Celibacy is a path that people can take.

It is better to struggle against sin than to perhaps try to alter yourself.

God does not necessarily need you to be sexually active in some form -- in fact, it was encouraged by both Paul and Christ for us to consider celibacy.

Not every homosexual has the inclination nor the force of will required to be celibate.

Of course, this is completely off topic and has nothing to do with the OP.

 

[Verv]

Not every homosexual has the inclination nor the force of will required to be celibate.

Of course, this is completely off topic and has nothing to do with the OP.

Well, perhaps a religious homosexual should? And perhaps many have, through the years, entered the clergy?

It is probably easier than a lot of people think.

 

[Spherical Time]

Well, perhaps a religious homosexual should? And perhaps many have, through the years, entered the clergy?

Perhaps. And I certainly have known celibate homosexuals and those that have joined the clergy.

However, this is still irrelevant to the topic at hand.

It is probably easier than a lot of people think.

I disagree with your estimation that it is "probably" easy.

 

[Trevorocity]

Well, perhaps a religious homosexual should? And perhaps many have, through the years, entered the clergy?

It is probably easier than a lot of people think.

Ah, but Paul's advice was it was better to remain celibate and unmarried, not just for (presumably) homosexuals but heterosexuals as well. If everyone had taken his advice there would be far fewer people alive now then there are.

 

[Aeris]

There are attraction tests that can determine the sexual arousal created by pictures of one sex or the other.

All that I think would be required would be a shift from one set of attractions to another.

But I would think (if it was possible to choose) that the shift would be from homosexual or heterosexual to bisexual, I dont think that they would completely stop being attracted to whatever gender they were originally attracted to.